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Policy Change: Prohibiting Items and Listings That Disparage or Promote Hate

Jan 14, 2011

by adamfreed

Etsy.com handmade and vintage goods

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I’m writing to let you know about some policy changes we are making at Etsy — specifically disallowing items that denigrate people or promote hate — and to explain why we are making them.

A few items listed in a couple of Etsy shops recently sparked an intense debate about what kinds of items should and shouldn’t be allowed on Etsy. I won’t go into the details of the items, but they clearly denigrated women and people with some disabilities. When some concerned members brought the items to our attention, we generally agreed that they didn’t feel like they were in the spirit of Etsy and our community. But they also didn’t directly violate our policies. So we did what we felt was right. We allowed the items to remain on Etsy and we took a cold, hard look at our policies.

Our policies have prohibited disparaging or promoting hate against people based on race or religion for quite a long time. But they never covered gender, people with disabilities, or sexual orientation. We are changing that — and a few other policies — effective now.

We have posted our new policies in the Prohibited Items section of our DOs & DON’Ts on Etsy.

For those of you who don’t want to read the full text of the policies, I’ll summarize the big changes. We no longer allow items or listings that promote, support or glorify hatred toward or otherwise demean people based upon race, ethnicity, religion, gender, gender identity, disability, or sexual orientation; including items or content that promote organizations with such views.

We also looked at our policies around violence and illegal activity and we have revised those, too. The revised policy now prohibits items or listings that promote or support illegal activity or instruct others to engage in illegal activity and items or listings that promote, support or glorify acts of violence or harm towards self or others.

If you are selling items that violate the new policies, we ask that you take them down. If you have questions about a particular item in your shop, you can contact us at content@etsy.com. We’ll be happy to help clarify.

We have always supported a broad range of perspectives at Etsy, even if we don’t always personally agree with the messages of our individual members. We will continue to do so.  But we also want to recognize that tolerance and respect have to be part of the norms of our community.  We feel that the kinds of items we are now prohibiting violated that spirit.

I’m sure that some of you will think that we are doing the right thing with these changes and others will disagree. I respect that. I’m reasonably new to the Etsy community, but it’s pretty clear to me that a healthy debate has always been part of Etsy’s history. However you feel, I hope you’ll understand that our goal is to make and keep Etsy an amazing marketplace and a community where we value tolerance and respect.

Thanks for listening.

Adam

1,166 comments

  • MegansMenagerie

    MegansMenagerie said 5 years ago

    Thank you!!!!!!!!

  • SewnNatural

    SewnNatural said 5 years ago

    equity is really important to protect and promote. thank you.

  • JudiPaintedit

    JudiPaintedit said 5 years ago

    Very gray area to touch on........

  • creativityismessy

    creativityismessy said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy!

  • PuddleduckDesigns520

    PuddleduckDesigns520 said 5 years ago

    Very excited to hear this.

  • BigFish

    BigFish said 5 years ago

    Etsy is right to do so in my opinion - it is your site at the end of the day - if want to sell here, we read your rules.

  • MoonParade

    MoonParade said 5 years ago

    I am SO relieved to read about these essential changes. Thank you.

  • jammerjewelry

    jammerjewelry said 5 years ago

    Very good article! Thanks!

  • MissBettysAttic

    MissBettysAttic said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy!

  • DistortedEarth

    DistortedEarth said 5 years ago

    I agree with the new changes. Great job!

  • archaicdesign

    archaicdesign said 5 years ago

    slippery slope

  • carousel2

    carousel2 said 5 years ago

    THANKS ETSY :)

  • trimgoddess

    trimgoddess said 5 years ago

    Very good.

  • NancyvdBoom

    NancyvdBoom said 5 years ago

    Thank you for this.

  • scarletbegoniajewels

    scarletbegoniajewels said 5 years ago

    This is a much needed policy and is welcomed in the Etsy community. Thank you!

  • scribblingclub

    scribblingclub said 5 years ago

    Thanks!

  • peaseblossomstudio

    peaseblossomstudio said 5 years ago

    So you will not be allowing items that mock religion anymore either? Wonderful!

  • Freefred

    Freefred said 5 years ago

    too right! we want to keep the nice community feel. I welcome the changes

  • GimCarry

    GimCarry said 5 years ago

    Thank you.

  • bstrung

    bstrung said 5 years ago

    Intolerance should not be tolerated!

  • Addy

    Addy said 5 years ago

    Very slippery slope, Etsy.

  • IngridsCreations

    IngridsCreations said 5 years ago

    Thank you!!! :)

  • agendahidden

    agendahidden said 5 years ago

    Dear Adam, Thanks. I actually am recently returning to the Etsy community and part of the reason I stayed away was I was not comfortable with some of the items that I would be added into treasuries with, or that I would find while randomly browsing. This is good, and I am proud of Etsy for making these changes! yay!

  • filecutter

    filecutter said 5 years ago

    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT

  • MysticalStone

    MysticalStone said 5 years ago

    I totally agree with your changes. Thank you!!

  • theClockworkTiger

    theClockworkTiger said 5 years ago

    Thank you!!

  • ValerieGalloway

    ValerieGalloway said 5 years ago

    You are doing the right thing. Thank you.

  • maechevrette

    maechevrette said 5 years ago

    Awesome. Go Etsy!

  • jenniferraycom

    jenniferraycom said 5 years ago

    Finally!! I AM SO HAPPY that these changes are going through!! Everyone should be respectful to everyone else and not degrade someone else just to earn a buck!

  • browndogmarket

    browndogmarket said 5 years ago

    Thank you !

  • laughingelf

    laughingelf said 5 years ago

    Good work Etsy. Thank you.

  • SweetBellasBeautique

    SweetBellasBeautique said 5 years ago

    thank you!!!!!

  • knitsinclass

    knitsinclass said 5 years ago

    Thank you for making this change -

  • BRAToriginals

    BRAToriginals said 5 years ago

    Rules are made to be followed! Thank you =)

  • RockyMountainRetro

    RockyMountainRetro said 5 years ago

    Slippery slope... maybe, but Etsy is right to do this. Etsy is not a democracy; they are a privately-held company and they are completely within their rights to do this. I have seen some extremely vile, offensive stuff here on Etsy; stuff that looks like it was created out of violent dementia. I applaud this change.

  • QualityCords

    QualityCords said 5 years ago

    Im with you. Welld done.

  • CelesteLynne

    CelesteLynne said 5 years ago

    love ETSY I fully agree Thank You

  • JewelsbyJasmin

    JewelsbyJasmin said 5 years ago

    Thank you for implementing these new changes.

  • thaiwristbands

    thaiwristbands said 5 years ago

    I love Etsy <3

  • Crafterall

    Crafterall said 5 years ago

    Hooray! Bravo! Well done and well said!

  • Babez

    Babez said 5 years ago

    there are so many sites online that let you sell illegal, rude, and racist junk. Glad that etsy said NO.

  • RadianceArt

    RadianceArt said 5 years ago

    I see a lot of forum threads on ambiguity in our future. But even still, thank you for responding to us and doing whats right.

  • ASpinnerWeaver

    ASpinnerWeaver said 5 years ago

    A tough decision for Etsy, but keeping this site in a positive spirit is a wonderful choice. Thanks.

  • ElnaDesigns

    ElnaDesigns said 5 years ago

    Great! thank you Etsy :)

  • Gallivants

    Gallivants said 5 years ago

    Thank you, Etsy! I've run into a few items myself that I've had a hard time with. But, when my friend said she was going to Boycott etsy for some of the items that have been allowed that were making fun of people with disabilities, I was very embarassed! She even wrote to etsy! I'm so glad the good people at Etsy have taken notice and will not tolerate hate disguised as "humor". Thank you so much!

  • LittleWrenPottery

    LittleWrenPottery said 5 years ago

    I'm sure the majority of crafters wont be affected by this change, after all why should craft be about hating?

  • GerdasGarden

    GerdasGarden said 5 years ago

    Thank you so much for addressing this issue.

  • annemariesbreiblog

    annemariesbreiblog said 5 years ago

    Thanks for making this change!

  • JulieMeyer

    JulieMeyer said 5 years ago

    So glad to see this - Thanks!

  • ThisCharmingCandy

    ThisCharmingCandy said 5 years ago

    These seem like very positive changes indeed. Thank you!

  • RockStoneTreasures

    RockStoneTreasures said 5 years ago

    Excellent news.

  • JudiPaintedit

    JudiPaintedit said 5 years ago

    As of right now its all talk. True test will be some kind of enforcement and will their be someone hired to go through weeding out this stuff? Some stuff really is off the scale rotten, other stuff is kind of grey.... Wonder to what extent or what the limit of tolerance is.

  • ThePolkadotMagpie

    ThePolkadotMagpie said 5 years ago

    I must be in my own private Idaho. I have missed these listings. Go go Adam.

  • HotLavaClothing

    HotLavaClothing said 5 years ago

    Thanks for making the changes!

  • heidiburton

    heidiburton said 5 years ago

    So happy to hear this news, it's great to know we're being listened to & steps are being taken to improve policies. Thanks!

  • TangledArts

    TangledArts said 5 years ago

    I literally am speechless and I don't know what do say.

  • KennethMarineGlass

    KennethMarineGlass said 5 years ago

    Good news!

  • artsylis

    artsylis said 5 years ago

    SO happy about this, thanks Etsy!

  • jewelstreet

    jewelstreet said 5 years ago

    Thank you, Adam and Etsy. I was uncomfortable having my business and my myself associated with the things that have been discussed. I was even looking to leave. I won't have to now. I thank you for updating these policies to something that most other sites have. It should have been done sooner, but I'm glad you finally came around.

  • gypsypearls

    gypsypearls said 5 years ago

    Thanks for staying on top of things like this. Things like this make me proud to say "I have an Etsy shop"

  • TheMillineryShop

    TheMillineryShop said 5 years ago

    Good. I am glad to see that you guys always do what is right. If THIS community can't stand up for tolerance and respect, then who can? Now, can someone please tell me where the Showcases are? Seriously, where did they go?

  • littlebugjewelry

    littlebugjewelry said 5 years ago

    Hear, hear!

  • SunnyA

    SunnyA said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy! Very happy to read this.

  • AronaWalsh

    AronaWalsh said 5 years ago

    Thank you! This is a very necessary change...

  • creaturecomforts

    creaturecomforts said 5 years ago

    Thank you, Etsy.

  • vvmoss1

    vvmoss1 said 5 years ago

    These are difficult decisions, and indeed, quite possibly a "slippery slope." But ethical decisions are always such -- and at the end of the day, you need to do what you believe is right. Each of us must make our own decisions on this, and take our own stance. I applaud you for accepting input, being thoughtful about it, and making your decision.

  • wrapcycle

    wrapcycle said 5 years ago

    Not sure the first amendment supports these policy changes. I don't promote hatred or violence, and I don't support those who do, but I support their right to express themselves however abhorrent I find that expression. It's a slippery slope, Etsy.

  • dgordon

    dgordon said 5 years ago

    Thank you!!!! I see things here sometimes and think Wow, I cant believe that's here, then I think.. well, freedom of speech and all that.. however one of my favorite sayings is "The right to swing my fist ends where the other person's nose begins"

  • mentalembellisher

    mentalembellisher said 5 years ago

    I know exactly to which stores this post refers and I am saying a big Thank You. x

  • MoonlightFabricArt

    MoonlightFabricArt said 5 years ago

    Bravo!

  • aBreathofFrenchair

    aBreathofFrenchair said 5 years ago

    Great news!

  • quacked

    quacked said 5 years ago

    A reasonable addition to the prohibited items list. Thanks for explaining it so clearly!

  • allisoneastmanbeads

    allisoneastmanbeads said 5 years ago

    huh, interesting.

  • DistinctiveColorArt

    DistinctiveColorArt said 5 years ago

    Thank you so much. I totally support your policy change.

  • milie32

    milie32 said 5 years ago

    You Go Etsy,!That Telling Them!!!!

  • maggiemaevintage

    maggiemaevintage said 5 years ago

    great change!

  • gaelgallery

    gaelgallery said 5 years ago

    thank you for listening

  • FeltShmelt

    FeltShmelt said 5 years ago

    Great decision! I'm really happy to be a part of a community that cares and promotes tolerance and respect. Thank you!

  • PaperAndBooks

    PaperAndBooks said 5 years ago

    Yes

  • blota

    blota said 5 years ago

    in a different context, this might be a slippery slope but surely there are better targeted platforms to sell these types or items.

  • KiwiStudioJewelry

    KiwiStudioJewelry said 5 years ago

    BRAVO!!! I have come across some items on the site that I was so embarassed of that I thought twice about recommending Etsy to friends/collegues. So happy that this is taking place and will take care of these items once and for all~ Thank you Etsy!

  • nyc8675309

    nyc8675309 said 5 years ago

    Agree or not with this decision - but the important thing here is that etsy gives us the opportunity to have artistic freedom of expression and align it with healthy debate. There is also a difference between what each of us finds offensive. They key her eis that etsy has taken the first step to opening up a dialogue. They ahve not banned any sellers, nor have they removed listings. They are giving individual sellers the opportunity to review their works, ask for clarification and make their own changes. As for enforcement, we still have the opportunity to report items as we wish to. Thank you Adam and etsy for taking the time to hear our concerns and finding common ground methods to handle them.

  • Heathersteas

    Heathersteas said 5 years ago

    Good job Etsy!

  • factorygirlashli

    factorygirlashli said 5 years ago

    While I think this is important and valid, making this change opens a can of worms. It's like when the local "family oriented" 1-screen movie theater made an exception in their "NO R-rated films" policy to allow "the Passion of the Christ" to be aired. Needless to say the theater now frequently allows R-rated movies and is no longer "family oriented". It's only a matter of time before a blog causes a stir about some other mature content on Etsy... and that is gone. Before long, all of the mature content will be gone and we'll move on to the process of removing other TOU-abiding items. I wish blogs would throw more fits about resellers, to be honest. I wish the national media would do a segment on how many resellers on Etsy, so a little more pressure would be put on Etsy to remove items that are clear violations of TOU rather than bending the TOU in order to remove items.

  • SafetyThird

    SafetyThird said 5 years ago

    I understand where Etsy is coming from, and putting explicit wording in the TOU does make sense. However, the phrase "Items or listings that promote, support or glorify hatred toward or otherwise demean people " is incredibly vague. "otherwise demean" is subject to the same subjectiveness that would say that "not praise" and "humor" is demeaning. Sardonic, sarcastic and "English style" humor all could be interpreted by some as "demeaning". Where the line of "humor" and "demean" lies is in the eye of the beholder -- I'm thinking of the "Piss Christ", and various political treatments of the American (or other flags). Please, please tell me that "disrespect" is OK, and not considered "demeaning"!!

  • FiveSparrows

    FiveSparrows said 5 years ago

    Thankyou!!

  • DesiCloe

    DesiCloe said 5 years ago

    Well done! Thank you!

  • StrandRedesign

    StrandRedesign said 5 years ago

    Great! Thank you!

  • radish

    radish said 5 years ago

    bravo etsy.

  • Candies64

    Candies64 said 5 years ago

    Wonderful news!

  • AvianInspirations

    AvianInspirations said 5 years ago

    While I agree with the need for tolerance and respect, I wonder how this will be enforced and who will make the decisions. Another commenter has already mentioned that this could be a slippery slope if not handled properly, and I agree.

  • LittleSnowFox

    LittleSnowFox said 5 years ago

    Is this about those cards which were featured at Regretsy? They were offensive, but I'm not sure that broadscale censorship is the answer. If we cull everything offensive, that means blasting away a good 70% of the art world. :/ I'm just as tired as anyone else of the disgusting crap people try to pass off as art, but who will decide what's offensive? I've seen online discussions blasting the use of the Italian musical terms because they feature a certain term referring to slow tempo... I mean, it's a good idea, but it's a slippery slope, as someone else said... (BTW are you going to get rid of the hardcore porn, too? Just wondering; I don't really feel comfortable going to the recently listed page anymore, after being flooded with extreme fetish porn a few months back...)

  • bungalowquilts

    bungalowquilts said 5 years ago

    Thank you!

  • SaltysPirateDen

    SaltysPirateDen said 5 years ago

    very slippery slope

  • SheriesVintageJewels

    SheriesVintageJewels said 5 years ago

    Thank you Adam for taking this giant step. Having a disabled person that I am very close and connected with I welcome this new policy.

  • pipistrellecrochet

    pipistrellecrochet said 5 years ago

    Thanks for doing the right thing.

  • AngelicArtwork

    AngelicArtwork said 5 years ago

    I am very glad to hear this. Good for you, etsy, for standing up and doing the right thing, even if it won't be popular with everyone. It is your company and image, after all.

  • SafetyThird

    SafetyThird said 5 years ago

    and please tell us that "rude" is still allowed -- some seem to think that it, too is now against the TOU.

  • beautifulfabrics

    beautifulfabrics said 5 years ago

    Right on!!!

  • ElenaMary

    ElenaMary said 5 years ago

    My faith has been restored in Etsy..thank you for listening to so many of us and the voice of reason!!

  • TheKeyInTheBottle

    TheKeyInTheBottle said 5 years ago

    Thank you!

  • ashworthk

    ashworthk said 5 years ago

    @wrapcycle The First Amendment has nothing to do with policy changes by a private business. If etsy has decided that they and their customers are better served by this new policy, then that is their prerogative.

  • cassspade

    cassspade said 5 years ago

    This is a tough one. I hope that "illegal activity" is looked at through a very broad spectrum. Debatable things such as graffiti or marijuana seem to be subject to critisizm. "legal" is something that must be defined differently from state to state. And all across the globe, we are from different backgrounds, beliefes, and practices. I very much hope that this new policy does not take away from the diversity that I appriciate most from this site. There will always be things in this world that upset people, but we are all different and we should accept that about one another. We all choose what we let affect us negatively, as well as positively.

  • beadinbythesea

    beadinbythesea said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy. Yes, it is a tough decision and I think you made the right one.

  • BigSkyArtworks

    BigSkyArtworks said 5 years ago

    Yep. Hate speech is legal - but Etsy doesn't have to allow it. Good for you, Etsy!

  • tufftagz

    tufftagz said 5 years ago

    slippery, slippery slope.

  • bushnellknitting

    bushnellknitting said 5 years ago

    As long as you don't get political - it sounds like a good change.

  • AlexSharDesigns

    AlexSharDesigns said 5 years ago

    Thank you for doing the right thing on this!

  • Salcaja

    Salcaja said 5 years ago

    finally! thank you, thank you, thank you.

  • NotSoShabbyChic

    NotSoShabbyChic said 5 years ago

    THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU ETSY!!!

  • necklush

    necklush said 5 years ago

    excellent

  • angelicwatrs17

    angelicwatrs17 said 5 years ago

    I really hope you clean up the porn too, it is against policy, and its all over the portraits section, sometimes it even appears to be a young 12 years old legs open naked etc... it is not my job to report every one, but i cannot even go to the portraits and gather any pretty photos for my treasuries w/o being bombarded with it, as a woman I can say it is degrading to my sex, and most unnerving that the photographers are creepy men most of the time, and its selling here? basement girls?

  • FerntreeStudio

    FerntreeStudio said 5 years ago

    While I personally agree that these types of items are repulsive, I do support the artist's right to create in any form and to express their thoughts and ideas. This is a serious blow to the Art section on Etsy, a category that is slowly realizing that Etsy may not be the place for them. Not trying to cast judgment, just making an observation that Etsy is evolving to lean more towards the consumable, art and craft arena and away from fine art. But perhaps it has always been that way.

  • PickleAndGoose

    PickleAndGoose said 5 years ago

    Finally! Thank you!

  • mysillybluehippo

    mysillybluehippo said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy for the clarity. I know it must have been a tough call to make, but I applaud you for doing what's right.

  • LizzieMade

    LizzieMade said 5 years ago

    Thank you for making the effort to clarify your rules. It isn't always easy to be sure you have set up the right framework, without interfering with "normal" items - and there is always someone whose viewpoint will differ, one way or the other, from the majority. However, having a clearly defined policy and a way of obtaining a "ruling" on any specific query, has to be the best way to do this. Thanks.

  • rosecitylady

    rosecitylady said 5 years ago

    At first i was feeling uncomfortable with what appeared to be artistic "censorship", but after reading the comments and realizing that Etsy is indeed a private business and not Big Brother, I find myself agreeing with the new policy.

  • Gardenbonbons

    Gardenbonbons said 5 years ago

    Its the right thing to do. When I heard about the items I wondered why etsy policy did't prohibit them. They can put their wares up on the internet elsewhere if they feel so strongly about spewing their hate, but likely they were throwing things up on the site to get some attention and hurt people randomly wandering across their listings.

  • RegalCottage

    RegalCottage said 5 years ago

    Thanks, Etsy, for standing up for what is right! Hatred and bigotry have no place here.

  • WhirlGirlGlass

    WhirlGirlGlass said 5 years ago

    Thanks for addressing this, it is the right thing to do!

  • moonmothpress

    moonmothpress said 5 years ago

    I assume this new means that most/many religous items are now banned and any items promoting the boys scouts? The new TOUs not only ban certain items, but ban all items that promote organizations which "promote, support or glorify hatred toward or otherwise demean people based upon: race, ethnicity, religion, gender, gender identity, disability, or sexual orientation." Given the Boy Scouts of America's stance on gays & lesbians, as well as many religious groups' stance, ANY items associated with those groups are now banned, yes? Does the Catholic Church "demean" women by not allowing them to be priests? Many around the world say YES. So, now Cathoic items are now allowed, yes?

  • robertamac74

    robertamac74 said 5 years ago

    Gray area meaning violence.... I look at the wonderfully handmade floggers here all the time. Beautiful work! But a flogger is for flogging, could be violent.... Does this make them count? I really hope not, it would be singling out a whole community of people who are just the same as the ladies crocheting doilies, we just have different kinds of fun, and different kinds of lifestyle.

  • LetThereBeLamps

    LetThereBeLamps said 5 years ago

    It is good to take a stand.

  • kimberlybelldesigns

    kimberlybelldesigns said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy. The items in question really upset me. As a seller I am so glad to see you change this policy. I feel much better about staying on Etsy.

  • smckibbin

    smckibbin said 5 years ago

    Somehow I've missed all of these offensive items over the years... thankfully.

  • smacshop

    smacshop said 5 years ago

    So, under this definition we can expect to see all the listings for Bongs disappear, right?

  • enchantables

    enchantables said 5 years ago

    My heart was broken after viewing a listing by someone here not long ago, because it affected me, personally. Etsy is becoming my work home, my community. Thank you for making Etsy feel like a safe place to show up to each day.

  • DIVINEsweetness

    DIVINEsweetness said 5 years ago

    kudos!! the reason i love etsy =)

  • terraform

    terraform said 5 years ago

    In my day job, I teach young children with disabilities and work with their (amazing) families. I had really thought long and hard about being associated with a site that does not have a policy against items that denigrate individuals with disabilities, because my work is such a huge part of my life. Thank you for expanding your previous policy to be more inclusive.

  • Jewelrybyjane29

    Jewelrybyjane29 said 5 years ago

    Thank you for the good job!

  • cassspade

    cassspade said 5 years ago

    moonmothpress, you have a great point.

  • SkyLineJewelry

    SkyLineJewelry said 5 years ago

    Thanks, Etsy, for establishing a clear stance on this. I personally feel it is a shame that the world has come to the point where anyone would actually want to promote these sorts of things, but for those who do, there is plenty of cyber space available outside of this great community to do so. Diversity and freedom of expression are wonderful, but as with all good things, there must be limits and boundaries so that everyone is allowed to experience those things.

  • WinkingCat

    WinkingCat said 5 years ago

    Yes! Thank you for this new policy. I am pleased that someone has recognized MY right not to have to wade through offensive, disgusting material that some people try to pass off as arts and crafts.

  • CHenry

    CHenry said 5 years ago

    You did the right thing ! Go Etsy !

  • PoleStar

    PoleStar said 5 years ago

    I think this is actually a policy change that fits nicely with the other anti hate policies. It certainly didn't make sense the way it was before to not allow certain Denegrations but not others.

  • KimArt

    KimArt said 5 years ago

    ITS ABOUT TIME

  • mousesong

    mousesong said 5 years ago

    I am also concerned about the precedent being set here. I was deeply offended by the items in question and I recognize that there is no easy way to handle this--but I am worried about the eventual fall-out of this policy. As Cassspade said, the policy regarding illegal activity is particularly gray. What about graffiti or marijuana related items, as s/he points out? I don't engage in either of those activities, but neither am I offended by people who engage in them (unless the graffiti is a case of wanton vandalism; that's different). The vague wording of the new policy is also a cause for concern. The spectrum of definition for demeaning is broad. As other posters have wondered, where would a challenging piece of art fall on this? Would a snarky piece that says "every time I meet a vegetarian, I eat two pieces of bacon" (to think of a REALLY stupid example off the top of my head) qualify as denigrating vegetarians? Would an item promoting atheism by referring to religion as a superstition (and I say this as an atheist) be considered denigrating Christians or Pagans or (insert belief system here)? For that matter, would an "I support marriage between one man and one woman" be considered offensive to gays or polygamists? I don't agree with that view--I support marriage equality--but I can't think that it would be a good idea to censor that view by simply saying "you can't say that here" and silencing the offender. At what point does the line exist between disrespect and pure freedom of expression? I hope this policy is handled responsibly but the idea that subjective judgments are going to enter into this at all is deeply worrying.

  • ersimarina

    ersimarina said 5 years ago

    '...our goal is to make and keep Etsy an amazing marketplace and a community where we value tolerance and respect.' It is the only way to keep a community together, online or in the real world. You took a wise decision.

  • ilashdesigns

    ilashdesigns said 5 years ago

    I am against the promotion of hate. This is more of a step toward a juried site imo. right wrong or whatever

  • BizzieLizzie

    BizzieLizzie said 5 years ago

    Good news!

  • spac

    spac said 5 years ago

    A Big Thank You!

  • piggysplace

    piggysplace said 5 years ago

    Thank you!

  • WestCoastGlass

    WestCoastGlass said 5 years ago

    I personally think this is a positive step for Etsy!!! It takes alot of thought to make a decision such as this, since obviously there will be people who feel their freedom of speech has been compromised...The freedom for everyperson to feel accepted and safe far out weighs one persons right to sell a t-shirt (or whatever) with something that may be offensive to an entire group of people. I'm all for freedom of speech and expression, but not when it involves offending or hurting whole groups of people. Thank you for making the world a better place!!! Now if only mainstream commercialism and media would follow the lead!!!!

  • HandyMaiden

    HandyMaiden said 5 years ago

    Does this just apply to items for sale or does it also apply to shop names that promote hate against women? What is Etsy's stance on items that promote hate against those with Mental illnesses? What is Etsy's definition of promoting hate exactly? Terms mocking certain groups are pretty commonplace, and most people don't even notice them. I feel mixed about this. On one hand, I hate it when people say racist,sexist, ablist, homophobic things. On the other hand, supporting freedom of speech means that you support other people's rights to say whatever-- even when they're being a jackass.

  • northcoastbeachglass

    northcoastbeachglass said 5 years ago

    I love it. Thank you.

  • SqueakyBug

    SqueakyBug said 5 years ago

    Glad to hear this! Thank you!!

  • Artfulcreations

    Artfulcreations said 5 years ago

    Thank you for updating the policies, a change for the better...that is for sure.

  • Decadence2artbar

    Decadence2artbar said 5 years ago

    thank you!

  • TheFeistyDragon

    TheFeistyDragon said 5 years ago

    Very classy. Thanks!

  • EarthGrrrlCrafts

    EarthGrrrlCrafts said 5 years ago

    At least the pearl clutchers will be satisfied, now that the offenders have been publicly slapped on the wrist. Is it only a matter of time now before any art displaying nudity is forbidden as well?

  • lilfishstudios

    lilfishstudios said 5 years ago

    I'm not really sure how I feel about this. Certainly Etsy has the authority to make policy changes that it feels best suits its community and business focus but I'll be interested to see to what degree this is enforced. I would like to see this site continue to house many different voices and viewpoints and hope Etsy does too.

  • tantancharms

    tantancharms said 5 years ago

    Thank you for the changes!

  • carjam

    carjam said 5 years ago

    we are here to promote and sell our talents and creations all the slurring of people are not talent. keep it creative

  • mentalembellisher

    mentalembellisher said 5 years ago

    Religion and vegetarianism are things that people have chosen...disabilities and sexual orientation are not.

  • countingbytwos

    countingbytwos said 5 years ago

    I'm excited to hear this, but that's a hard thing for businesses to do and do it right. It's a good idea to risk it; I'm happy you are working on this.

  • mayagonzalez

    mayagonzalez said 5 years ago

    wow, reading all these comments, i'm amazed at just how slippery this could get. i think you've hit the slopes. goodgood luck. i love etsy and have been lucky enough not to ever hit anything that has offended me. but, however this plays out, it's worthy discourse. be well folks.

  • mayagonzalez

    mayagonzalez said 5 years ago

    wow, reading all these comments, i'm amazed at just how slippery this could get. i think you've hit the slopes. goodgood luck. i love etsy and have been lucky enough not to ever hit anything that has offended me. but, however this plays out, it's worthy discourse. be well folks.

  • SmoochyBabyDesign

    SmoochyBabyDesign said 5 years ago

    Thank you! That specific shop was indeed extremely offensive and I'm glad you have created these new policies.

  • cassspade

    cassspade said 5 years ago

    This also means that we need to eliminate anything that promotes Christianity, bears a cross, or is has any sort of religious symbolism. The Christian religion states clearly that gays are condemned to hell. There are so many things that will need to be deleted from this site. Unless, of course, this is just going to turn in to a personal project reflecting only the beliefes of the creators. And in that case, I would much rather shop at a site that caters to my belifes only, or a site that caters to none, and instead promotes art as a form of expression.

  • novella

    novella said 5 years ago

    amen. thanks.

  • greytlife

    greytlife said 5 years ago

    I'm impressed that you are taking this stand. It sends a positive message. I am certainly a proponent of free speech...but also want to participate in a community that honors and respects all people.

  • flytrap

    flytrap said 5 years ago

    HOOOOOORAY!!!! I really feel that this was the best course of action for you to take. Thank you so much for your time and consideration.

  • JLaneDesigns

    JLaneDesigns said 5 years ago

    Thank you Adam. I also believe That this is not the place to promote acts of violence and harm to others. ETSY is a wonderful community and dosn't deserve to be tainted with harmful acts.

  • auntjanecan

    auntjanecan said 5 years ago

    Good policy change.

  • dirtysophisticated

    dirtysophisticated said 5 years ago

    This is great, thank you etsy.

  • Bunderful

    Bunderful said 5 years ago

    I hope this new policy is invoked very, Very sparingly

  • CandyStitches

    CandyStitches said 5 years ago

    What a welcome relief these changes are. Now I no longer have to debate whether or not to keep an Etsy shop. Thank you.

  • arjunajewelry

    arjunajewelry said 5 years ago

    I support this change 100%. Thank you!

  • AnnieHowes

    AnnieHowes said 5 years ago

    This is a positive step to help make our world a kinder place.

  • chasedreams

    chasedreams said 5 years ago

    Thank you!

  • iceboxgems

    iceboxgems said 5 years ago

    I'm a big believer in everyone playing by the same rules. It's a choice to play or not.

  • DreamsandJewelry

    DreamsandJewelry said 5 years ago

    Good change.

  • AnyOldTime

    AnyOldTime said 5 years ago

    Fabulous. Thanks.

  • GalleriaDiGiani

    GalleriaDiGiani said 5 years ago

    Gee, and to think it only took hundreds of online petitions and a negative CNN story to make this happen.

  • DS23

    DS23 said 5 years ago

    Dear Etsy. Thank you very much I know that it takes a lot to look at and reflect on corporate policy. I do believe you have done the right thing and as a whole improved your community. Nothing is perfect but when the chance to improve offers itself than bravo. Thank you for publicly addressing the situation.

  • DyaniAdorn

    DyaniAdorn said 5 years ago

    I do hope this policy will be fine tuned. As it stands, one could describe Frida Kahlo's work deaming towards race or violent to oneself. Art work, especially contemporary, questions society and often does so through depiction of the very acts in question.

  • KathyGDesigns

    KathyGDesigns said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy! You did the right thing. Imagine Peace...

  • Asianexpressions

    Asianexpressions said 5 years ago

    Awesome!

  • PrairiePeasant

    PrairiePeasant said 5 years ago

    Thanks! It's a good start.

  • dirtysophisticated

    dirtysophisticated said 5 years ago

    This is a slippery, slippery slop ... and in a way takes away peoples freedom of speech ... and I believe will lead to other things being banned because a select few people can not handle it ... Like nudity, for example ... Slippery slippery slop ... Watch out etsy, you can't please everyone.

  • studiopainters

    studiopainters said 5 years ago

    thank you!!

  • mikda999

    mikda999 said 5 years ago

    While I understand these new policies I sit here wondering... I hope this works out. I fear for the worst and hope for the best. Thank you for trying to keep this site positive as it's been a very positive experience for me the past few years. :)

  • OneEyeCatDesigns

    OneEyeCatDesigns said 5 years ago

    slippery slope, yes. oh, wait, isn't slope a derogatory ethnic term? *off to report self*

  • aroundtheisland

    aroundtheisland said 5 years ago

    Thank you etsy for stepping up and doing the right thing.

  • PinonMesaCrafters

    PinonMesaCrafters said 5 years ago

    Thank you, ETSY. There are more than enough other venues for people to share their loathing of fellow humankind.

  • ReverseClothing

    ReverseClothing said 5 years ago

    While a seller is a part of Etsy he/she is being represented by the community at large including those who would sell questionable items. So I think I would personally benefit from this decision as would most of the members here. However, who decides which items are offensive? What offends one person may be funny to someone else. Are there going to be eggshells scattered everywhere?

  • HouseOfMoss

    HouseOfMoss said 5 years ago

    I appreciate the care for this issue! Let's keep Etsy an encouraging community!

  • lilbitty

    lilbitty said 5 years ago

    I am so glad that I am apart of a venue that took a stand on this. Thank you!

  • TwigsAndLace

    TwigsAndLace said 5 years ago

    I understand why you did it, there appears to have been an enormous negative response to some shops...I just hope Etsy has not just ventured down the slippery slope. There is no doubt that for some reason people can be "offended" by just about everything. It is the nature of man. Good luck with this!

  • IndulgentDesigns

    IndulgentDesigns said 5 years ago

    Woooo! Thank you- this was needed.

  • HandyMaiden

    HandyMaiden said 5 years ago

    I keep seeing people claim that this violates first amendment rights, and I just want to point out that the first amendment states that the GOVERNMENT is prohibited from restricting speech.

  • YANDEBRIDAL

    YANDEBRIDAL said 5 years ago

    Awesome! I know what the listing was that sparked this and I think it is a huge postive change that this type of heartless discrimination is no longer allowed.

  • littlebirdcrochet

    littlebirdcrochet said 5 years ago

    oops, i read all the comments so i forgot who it was, but i agree with the person who said something like, crafting isn't about violence and hatred. and if it really is a problem, there are other places to sell such things (i guess?) i say, bravo, etsy. i am proud to be a part.

  • cindylouwho2

    cindylouwho2 said 5 years ago

    so saddened to see such broad & vague language as "otherwise demean" take a place in the TOUs. Some people are apparently demeaned by others getting up in the morning. And yes, it will mean that items from any religions that decry homosexuality are gone, or else it is an empty policy. Start flagging, folks!

  • beadedrelics

    beadedrelics said 5 years ago

    Thank you for making this much needed change!

  • littlewhitechapel

    littlewhitechapel said 5 years ago

    Excellent.

  • JTFandangles

    JTFandangles said 5 years ago

    Thank you for updating your policies. We at JT Fandangles uphold the same views.

  • SpaGoddess

    SpaGoddess said 5 years ago

    Excellent. I am in full support of these changes:)

  • DecoratingYourself

    DecoratingYourself said 5 years ago

    I am so sorry that we have to have this rule...but I am glad for it. Lisa

  • designminejewelry

    designminejewelry said 5 years ago

    Thank you. This posting shows far more sensitivity and kindness than the 'policy before people' post that was published last week, then closed to prevent further comment. A leader leads, but also listens. It was not pleasant to basically be told 'this is the way it is' with the attitude that it was too bad if we didn't agree. Thanks for listening to everyone, both sides, and your openness to hear our response. One cannot manage such a huge public forum and cut off those who make the forum what it is. Blessings.

  • barbsheartstrokes

    barbsheartstrokes said 5 years ago

    Thank you. There is enough hate and bad will to others in our world. Let us try to show that Etsy is above the ugly! Again Thank You!

  • ElephantTrunkStudio

    ElephantTrunkStudio said 5 years ago

    I appreciate and support Etsy's decision. :)

  • evertonterrace

    evertonterrace said 5 years ago

    I'm glad you took time to think about an issue of concern, obviously seriously considering how and if you wanted change. I appreciate careful and meaningful decisions. This isn't the country, it's a company and you have the right to have and enforce whatever policies you so desire. When and if these should conflict with that of a seller, said seller should find a new platform (or start one themselves) for their wares. Handled respectfully, bravo. It's also, as you said, impossible to please everyone.

  • allthingswhite

    allthingswhite said 5 years ago

    just one more reason that I love Etsy- thank you

  • RaeoLight

    RaeoLight said 5 years ago

    Here are my two cents. I think it is a good policy change. Etsy was never supposed to be a place to make statements. It was just supposed to make it easier for people who have made the craft circuts for so many years to find a venue a little more closer to home. I don't see these kind of items unless I go into places like Spencer's(an off the wall store in the states) I don't think it's a slippery sloop, I think it's allowing the community to go back to what it was made to do, create wonderful handmade useful items. I'm not here to make a statement I just want to sell my photos and meet great people who would just like to do the same. Thanks Etsy and I hope this helps the community heal a little bit.

  • MaryFosterCreative

    MaryFosterCreative said 5 years ago

    Thank you.

  • zoeholden

    zoeholden said 5 years ago

    Overall I agree with your changes, except this: "illegal activity or instruct others to engage in illegal activity" Illegal where?

  • feltonthefly

    feltonthefly said 5 years ago

    BRAVO ETSY! Thank you. For a kinder and gentler world, thank you. If erring on the side of caution, so be it. Thank you for taking action on behalf of the MANY instead of in favor of the FEW.

  • bijouxpaperie

    bijouxpaperie said 5 years ago

    thank you!! It is much appreciated.

  • Arianell

    Arianell said 5 years ago

    I think this is a good move - I've never personally seen anything offensive on this site, but I guess that means I have been lucky. I think that this site has always been about people making beautiful things, and being able to sell them to other people around the world. Now, to all the people who have been talking about 'slippery slopes' yes - the wording leaves much room for interpretation. However, I guarantee there is no absolute version of wording which everyone would agree on. Etsy does not seem to be taking a heavy-handed approach; they are simply working out the application of their new policies. To the people taking the argument so far - whole religions and organizations being banned from being represented on, or in items - Really? I can't honestly believe you think that would happen. Regardless of those particular groups' feelings, unless there is something about the item itself which violates the new policies, I can not imagine the item being banned. I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and realize Etsy is simply doing its best to be a fair and welcoming marketplace.

  • PeriDotbyDuni

    PeriDotbyDuni said 5 years ago

    Glad to hear it. A big THANKS!!!

  • UncommonBeads

    UncommonBeads said 5 years ago

    Thanks Etsy! I so support this change!

  • BeaumontStudio

    BeaumontStudio said 5 years ago

    I'm so glad to see that this discussion has opened up and we have a more public voice for the concerns out there.

  • AbsoluteJeanius

    AbsoluteJeanius said 5 years ago

    Bravo, Etsy! If we must err, let us err on the side of compassion.

  • galstudio

    galstudio said 5 years ago

    This is very good news, thank you!

  • mrmichou

    mrmichou said 5 years ago

    Good call, Etsy! That's why we <3 you!

  • jensdreamdecor

    jensdreamdecor said 5 years ago

    This is awesome, way to go!!

  • lovelygifts

    lovelygifts said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy!

  • myvintagecrush

    myvintagecrush said 5 years ago

    Nice one Etsy. Thank you for listening to the people!

  • BeadingonaBudget

    BeadingonaBudget said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy!

  • LouiseFelice

    LouiseFelice said 5 years ago

    thats VERy good news

  • SplendiferousFiber

    SplendiferousFiber said 5 years ago

    Tolerance and Respect are worthy goals. If only it were so easy to change the rest of the world.... As far as the "free speech" issue, etsy is a privately owned entity and can make its own rules. Thank you for taking a stand and letting your conscience be your guide.

  • lifeartdesigns

    lifeartdesigns said 5 years ago

    Glad to see this.

  • twolefthands

    twolefthands said 5 years ago

    Very happy to hear this! Thank you Etsy!

  • bhangtiez

    bhangtiez said 5 years ago

    These sound like some great changes. And just in time for the MLK holiday. Peace, Love & Happiness to all!

  • deleteyourself

    deleteyourself said 5 years ago

    As a buyer, thank you for making this change, Etsy!

  • daisychainvintage

    daisychainvintage said 5 years ago

    bravo!

  • MissHildebrandt

    MissHildebrandt said 5 years ago

    Makes sense. Good to hear.

  • Olemae

    Olemae said 5 years ago

    You've made a good and righteous change for the better. Etsy is such a class act. Thank you for keeping it tht way!

  • lightbluesquare

    lightbluesquare said 5 years ago

    Sadly, if everyone had just ignored that site, or every single person who was offended had just reported it to Etsy along with their views...there would have been no sales, and no publicity for that shop owner. It was like a facebook/forum hate-mob - amazing publicity to the shop owner. I was mildly offended by some of those cards - i got over it in about thirty seconds. I agree with @moonmothpress regarding promotion of groups and individuals who have been shown to be homophobic/racist/intolerant etc, where do you draw the line? A lot of people are unbelievably sensitive to things which poke fun at their religious beliefs...we live in a world with loads of different religions and people who are not religious which naturally creates conflicting opinions. Nobody is trying to create a worldwide anti-religion movement by selling a blasphemous christmas card on Etsy, i think a bit more perspective is needed and overall i find it sad that creative freedom will be limited by this change. I do however think that items or artworks of a sexual nature should be heavily regulated - as they are freely viewable by minors.

  • gothicreations

    gothicreations said 5 years ago

    I agree with CindyLouWho to on the term "otherwise demean". I know of someone who got a comment blasting her baking blog because baking was/is demeaning to all women. Some people think that a woman wearing sexy undies is demeaning. it could be a slippery slope with those words.

  • jwlrywrkroom

    jwlrywrkroom said 5 years ago

    Excellent determination and action! :)

  • rakshniyavintage

    rakshniyavintage said 5 years ago

    This is a great decision! Thanks for doing this :)

  • StichesInTime

    StichesInTime said 5 years ago

    Excellent!!

  • QuirkynBerkeley

    QuirkynBerkeley said 5 years ago

    Bravo!

  • CathysFavorites

    CathysFavorites said 5 years ago

    I support your decision of policy changes for the reasons you have stated. Keep on doing such a great job.

  • MamasHouse

    MamasHouse said 5 years ago

    Thank you for listening to the concerns over these issues and making the changes! Bravo!

  • gigantour

    gigantour said 5 years ago

    good move

  • Dallas1pd

    Dallas1pd said 5 years ago

    I am really happy to see this. It's nice to see Etsy cares and continues to make this a premier place to not only be a seller - but a buyer also.

  • thehappycouple

    thehappycouple said 5 years ago

    I think this was the right move. I'm all for provocative art, I just didn't think etsy was the place for such a negative vibe.

  • aynart

    aynart said 5 years ago

    sounds great! i love the positive atmosphere at etsy and appreciate the additions to the policy!

  • EllesBelle

    EllesBelle said 5 years ago

    Thank you!

  • VelveteenHabbit

    VelveteenHabbit said 5 years ago

    Thank you! I was one who complained because I DO see a difference between ART for expression and art of ANY kind that directly makes a statement of put down. Here are my examples: A painting of nude models, or the "F" word created from letters, or pics of anyone engaged in loving sexual activity, or a photo of a person with cerebral palsy while having a spasm.....any of these could shock me or even offend me at first but NONE of them put down or say hateful things about naked people, races, sexual genders, people with disabilities etc. I agree that all types of people and art are possible and tolerance/acceptance is essential. AND we have a right to remove art that hurts people. It is art; that may be true. You can have loving art to express any group of people without putting any one type of group down. YaaaaaY! Job Well Done Etsy!!!

  • Arkceramicart

    Arkceramicart said 5 years ago

    It's important that we respect each other and each other's customers. Well done Etsy!

  • Judalon

    Judalon said 5 years ago

    Thank you! It's helpful to have a formulated terms of use/policy rather than have it be in a grey zone. I hope that you, Etsy staff, in the future will answer swiftly to items that are believed to go against your policy.

  • Nikifashion

    Nikifashion said 5 years ago

    Oh, great policy!

  • Nikifashion

    Nikifashion said 5 years ago

    Oh, great policy!

  • rusticcarvings

    rusticcarvings said 5 years ago

    Way to go, Etsy! Good job! :)

  • happyuser

    happyuser said 5 years ago

    Thank you- being disabled- it is time to not let demeaning tshirts and porn like items be a part of Etsy. We should remain pure and kind at heart- this is the main reason I will never go BACK to a huge site that sells anything as long as they can charge a fee. Integrity- and making a selling community of kindness is the right thing to do. Enough darkness walking among us- why should anyone profit from those ways of life?

  • kkelly99

    kkelly99 said 5 years ago

    I so appreciate what you are doing! thank you.

  • sewfaithful

    sewfaithful said 5 years ago

    .thank you Etsy.

  • MyMothersHeritage

    MyMothersHeritage said 5 years ago

    Thank You, Etsy! Now perhaps my daughter can shop without me constantly watching over her shoulder!

  • awestruckkk

    awestruckkk said 5 years ago

    Thank you so much for doing this - I am really happy that you've chosen to take this positive step & although I think that it could have been addressed sooner, I am very happy with the new policies. Etsy is a wonderful community and hateful messages or intolerance towards others based on sexuality/race/gender should not be welcome here.

  • ArtWhims

    ArtWhims said 5 years ago

    I am very proud of Etsy today :D Thank you!

  • southpawstudios

    southpawstudios said 5 years ago

    Thank goodness!

  • HandcraftedorVintage

    HandcraftedorVintage said 5 years ago

    I am not sure whether these are good or bad changes. Because who decides which items are offensive? And how will Etsy enforce these rules? And talking about illegal, this is an international venue, illegal where? I think you have opened a can of worms with this.

  • Ceciliascraftymom

    Ceciliascraftymom said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy. Our artistic community is here to support each other. Not destroy each others esteem. If some artists feel that they NEED an outlet for hate, then they can set up thier own personal website. The internet is an open world. I am so glad that Etsy also feels we don't need it.

  • thebeadgirl

    thebeadgirl said 5 years ago

    thank you! you rock!

  • lawahine81

    lawahine81 said 5 years ago

    Thank you! I believe this is the right step to maintain the right environment for this site.

  • Sonnie1

    Sonnie1 said 5 years ago

    I strongly support this decision.

  • WhimsicalRoseSalon

    WhimsicalRoseSalon said 5 years ago

    I am so glad for the changes. Our local news station had posted on Facebook about the shops on Etsy that were selling these types of items. Some of the feedback was pretty negative. I am new to the etsy community, trying to promote my shop... so as you can imagine that type of press did not help. So thank you for making these changes.

  • kraftylady20

    kraftylady20 said 5 years ago

    excellant move....applause!

  • dennisanderson

    dennisanderson said 5 years ago

    Wow. I am really surprised that you all actually did something about this issue. If its the same issue im thinking off.... that one on CNN. Next we gotta get the good of Etsy on CNN.... how about talking to them and have a featured artist once a week on CNN. :)

  • HeartstringsByJanice

    HeartstringsByJanice said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy and Adam. You do us proud!

  • dennisanderson

    dennisanderson said 5 years ago

    you can start with me :)

  • amarilo

    amarilo said 5 years ago

    See? This is why etsy is just better than other selling/buying communities, you go above and beyond to make the world more beautiful!

  • Heartistics

    Heartistics said 5 years ago

    "Tolerance and respect"; a slippery AND subjective slope indeed. By whose culture and/or belief system shall that be decided? I don't care one way or another but you must remember that there are many, MANY peoples in the international market; some of whom find such things as cannibalism or slavery to be a perfectly normal and acceptable thing. When one sits in an Ivory tower do they must remember the elephants that died to build it?

  • BlackShipCrafts

    BlackShipCrafts said 5 years ago

    good job. although equality and tolerance should be a given, unfortunately it's necessary. i've worked with plenty of community based groups that have had to enact similar policies to make their stance clear. i hope other sites take note.

  • baconsquarefarm

    baconsquarefarm said 5 years ago

    Thank You, Etsy......

  • ReverseClothing

    ReverseClothing said 5 years ago

    I know this is long. Sorry. At first I didn't know really how to feel about this. Speaking as a female, mixed race, minority who is of Jewish heritage I have to say that not a lot offends me. I'm pretty used to it. It is unfortunate that anti-semitism never went completely out of style and misogyny still exists. Racial and religious jokes will always be told. However, I have chosen not to let it bother me. Life has taught me that people who act out in certains ways have more issues with themselves than with me. And, truth be told, we ARE different. Sometimes those differences are funny, sometimes interesting. The world would be boring if we were all the same right? So pointing them out, making fun, or even proudly displaying shouldn't offend anyone. But it does. There are people in this world who get offended at the drop of a non-sustainably produced, leather hat. After reading some of the comments though I think I can say I'm OK with Etsy's new policies. The fact is that Etsy is a private company and in this country private companies are allowed to set thier own policy. That's why you see signs in stores that state "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone". As a business owner I fully apprecaite that. I like the fact that I am in control of my own business and most aspects of it. Now if I didn't have to pay taxes it would all be good! (haha) That said if I didn't like Etsy's new policy I'd have full freedom to take a hike and find another site or start a new one. That's what's great about this country! No one would be able stop me, legally. So wouldn't I be a bit of a hypocrite if I tried to stop etsy from doing what they think is right? I think so.

  • krugsecologic

    krugsecologic said 5 years ago

    Thanks for changing this !

  • ozzyandfelix

    ozzyandfelix said 5 years ago

    Definitely the right decision.

  • opheliasapothecary

    opheliasapothecary said 5 years ago

    thank you so much! i know i was personally offended by something i saw, and reported....and i'm not one to take things so personal. i appreciate the though and care that went into changing this policy!

  • franz66

    franz66 said 5 years ago

    Since this is a subjective stance, which I respect the intention of, it would be very, very helpful to have examples of items allowed and not-allowed, much as a school's student handbook would address. people arent going to know theyre crossing the line until they do, in many cases... it would help them to SEE what youre talking about since words and images often do not align. this is indeed a strong, bold stance: stand by it and support it with specific images of what you mean please.

  • cherryandviolet

    cherryandviolet said 5 years ago

    Thank you so much. This is wonderful news! I honestly don't see how this can be considered a slippery slope. The absence of rules is not "considerate" or "tolerant", it is chaos. Thank you, Etsy, for standing up for those who cannot stand up for themselves.

  • redtruckdesigns

    redtruckdesigns said 5 years ago

    I totally agree some items and images that promote hate can be harmful. Yet, the censorship of artistic expression is a scary step and deciding what is offensive is very difficult. I just read through many of the comments from other Etsy shop owners and some people find artistic photographs of nudes offensive and degrading. Will Etsy sensor these items too? It will be interesting to see how Etsy handles these complicated questions.

  • PetitPoulailler

    PetitPoulailler said 5 years ago

    Now that the publicity has played itself out and now that these incredibly vague changes have been made, tell us why you *really* made them.

  • allisajacobs

    allisajacobs said 5 years ago

    Bravo Etsy!

  • beyondtherockz

    beyondtherockz said 5 years ago

    Thank you!

  • pruitthandcrafts

    pruitthandcrafts said 5 years ago

    Thank you so much!!! Thanks for re-evaluating. We wouldn't want to loose customers because of a bad Etsy reputation. Thanks!

  • scarlettdesign

    scarlettdesign said 5 years ago

    I don't like this. I appreciate that Etsy doesn't want to support hate, but I feel like this is too broad. Who decides what is offensive? Not to mention that sometimes the nature of art is to be purposefully offensive. Furthermore, I recognize that items sold in individual shops are not a reflection of Etsy's beliefs. If something offends me, I just won't buy it.

  • knittingbyheather

    knittingbyheather said 5 years ago

    I am with you 100%. If something is questionable everyone should stop and consider the consequences of their actions-even when it seems they aren't "hurting anyone."

  • Grandmayo265

    Grandmayo265 said 5 years ago

    Bold stance indeed and I support it! Thank you for stepping forward and doing something about the elephant in the room!

  • artlandish

    artlandish said 5 years ago

    Let's remember, no one can please all of the people all of the time. Lines have to be drawn somewhere; it the nature of a healthy society, be it Etsy's or the world's. I applaud Adam - well stated. Knowing which shop is being referred to here, I also thank all Etsy members for making a stand and reporting this. Freedom of speech and ideas, yes of course. But, as stated, Etsy is privately owned - play by the rules or get out of the kitchen. Find another venue to sell these items. Etsy isn't about bashing others, in any form. It's about offering items that make people feel good - about themselves and others. I'm all for our freedoms, most certainly, but, on a private site, when those freedoms cross the line to making others feel bad? Who wants to be a part of promoting that? Etsy continues to shine in my book. Thank you.

  • BlackShipCrafts

    BlackShipCrafts said 5 years ago

    and to note there are major differences between provocative, ingenuitive, and expressive art and 'art' that promotes racism, misogyny, homophobia and other forms of oppression

  • DotD

    DotD said 5 years ago

    I totally agree with and support your new policies. They make Etsy a better community for all.

  • JudiPaintedit

    JudiPaintedit said 5 years ago

    Policy is no good unless someone enforces it.....

  • Vintageby1980sExcess

    Vintageby1980sExcess said 5 years ago

    I am in support of the new rules. Thank you for taking a bold and direct stand.

  • indigobjects

    indigobjects said 5 years ago

    I haven't run into any truly distasteful item listings yet but I suppose it's just an odds game. While I don't tolerate censorship, I respect the site creators' wish to operate this site the way it sees fit, and support its right to do so.

  • joandoug

    joandoug said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy for doing what is best for the Etsy Community.

  • redflannelelephant

    redflannelelephant said 5 years ago

    Fantastic - thank you Etsy!

  • JacquelineJewelry

    JacquelineJewelry said 5 years ago

    That's a good stance. Now I'd like to know what you're stance is on people doing reselling on Etsy rather than handmade.

  • ArgentaCollaborative

    ArgentaCollaborative said 5 years ago

    I do see a lot of relevancy to each side of this argument ... but it also leads me to wonder how long it will take before every item must be approved by a moderator for TOU before it is posted. There isnt staffing power to cover the huge amount of items on this site. How exactly will this be enforced and under whose definitions of demeaning?

  • TheRedKnot

    TheRedKnot said 5 years ago

    Nice!

  • SimpleeYou

    SimpleeYou said 5 years ago

    Excellent Move! Thank you Etsy:)

  • emeraldwindow

    emeraldwindow said 5 years ago

    I think the new policy is great. We have enough hate in the world without having to see it on Etsy. And as for the person who commented that thse policies will extend to other "Fine Art" - there was nothing fine about denigrating the handicapped and poking fun at rape victims. Common sense is'nt very common. It's time we started using more of it. Who will police these sites and decide what is offensive ot not? The Etsy community will. You can report any shop that doesn't follow the rules.

  • gormanstudios

    gormanstudios said 5 years ago

    What are you talking about???? Judging from the pattern of these comments, it would be extremely helpful if you can BE SPECIFIC and, yes, SHOW US what you are using "broad terms" for!! Swastikas, anarchy symbol, devils, curse words, black-faced minstrels, women vacuuming, animals being flayed, gang signs, guns guns guns, rifles, guns, hobos, Christ on a cross, headless children, burning crosses, yellow stars, men boxing, nude people missing limbs,........????? What are you talking about? PLEASE!

  • ZoiShop

    ZoiShop said 5 years ago

    I think that policy is definitely a right step toward promoting what Etsy is really all about, spreading the love of creation. :]

  • DuettaDesigns

    DuettaDesigns said 5 years ago

    Well stated. I know this is a touchy and complicated subject, I applaude your new policy. Thank you Etsy, and thank you Adam.

  • oldhollywood

    oldhollywood said 5 years ago

    As usual Etsy, you make me proud.

  • SaltyandSweet

    SaltyandSweet said 5 years ago

    Good! There's shocking-clever and then there's shocking-stupid. Just don't do away with all the Sculpey vaginas that seem to run amok on Etsy...

  • USCGwife

    USCGwife said 5 years ago

    A touchy subject well handled.

  • FforFelt

    FforFelt said 5 years ago

    I couldn't agree more with scarlettdesign. Who will decide what's offensive and what's not? Based on whose feelings? Because such decision can be only based on feelings - there is no code or definition of offensiveness... While I appreciate the intention, I'm very worried about the path Etsy is taking... I guess we'll just have to see.

  • ThePurpleHippo

    ThePurpleHippo said 5 years ago

    I don't think I've seen any of the items that caused this whole debate. But I am very concerned about the vague wording. I say this because I love Etsy and I love selling here but have dealt with people in the past who have been offended by my work. It all depends on one's interpretation of hate speech. After all, my cross-stitches say some nasty things. They mockingly demean women or poke fun at the gay community. I don't consider this hate speech but an amusing and snarky way to make a point about language and slang in our culture. I consider myself a feminist, I'm an activist in the gay community, but I've been told how awful and hateful my stuff is by more conservative people. So basically, yes a policy should exist against hate speech. Anything directly and violently supporting hate and hate groups has no place anywhere and is not art. But this policy needs to seriously be rewritten. Not everyone is going to be happy with what they see in search results but unfortunately, that is freedom of artistic expression. What is pornography to some is a thought provoking art piece to others. I also agree with censorship on the main page. I don't particularly like censoring my work but I understand under public search listings and offer uncensored pictures once you click on the listing.

  • threadsoffancy

    threadsoffancy said 5 years ago

    good going!! that crap isn't tolerated in the forums and should not be for sale either!!

  • BlackShipCrafts

    BlackShipCrafts said 5 years ago

    as a side note, policy is affected by majority. if the majority of people feel that an image that falls into a specific oppressive category should be taken off etsy, then it should, i.e. hateful misogynistic, homophobic language and images. modern leather and other animal products are a symbol of the enslavement and oppression of animals via horrific factory farm conditions, but until the majority of etsy'ers see that as oppressive, the policy needn't change. I just won't be buying or encouraging it...

  • SanDesign

    SanDesign said 5 years ago

    And to think, right or wrong, it only took national exposure for E to act, pathetic!

  • LuLusApple

    LuLusApple said 5 years ago

    Yay thank you this means a lot.

  • tlknww3blues

    tlknww3blues said 5 years ago

    This is a slippery slope, in my opinion too. I've reviewed the new policies changes on the policy sight. And while I agree with a majority of it, I feel like its going to turn into politics... As someone mentioned above me, what about religion? Yes, I'm Christian, but I support the LGBT and many other "minorities" and groups, etc, etc, etc. But one's offense is another right! And one's right is another's offense. How far will this go? Will these new policies turn into censorship? Idk. I want to stress that I don't stand for violence or any sorts of hate but at the same time, I feel like this could just turn into a policy that becomes too much a restriction for people and the artists in the community and becoming a biased store.

  • TwinMountainPottery

    TwinMountainPottery said 5 years ago

    Thank you ETSY for making this change. I am new and happy to see you make this a respectful place to be.

  • JudiPaintedit

    JudiPaintedit said 5 years ago

    Why are people talking about porn? They didnt say anything about that, porn is not illegal and does not promote hate.... How did any of that come up?

  • girltuesdayjewelry

    girltuesdayjewelry said 5 years ago

    A bold step taken on a very touchy subject. Bravo Etsy!

  • LittlestDove

    LittlestDove said 5 years ago

    Word! Thanks for promoting positivity and tolerance in the Etsy forum.

  • LindaGeeztoo

    LindaGeeztoo said 5 years ago

    THANK YOU Etsy for your stand and your updated policies! I LOVE Etsy and proud to be a part of this great community! I love shopping here and promoting my 2 Etsy shops!

  • MyPricelessCreations

    MyPricelessCreations said 5 years ago

    Thank you for making these changes for the good of all.

  • McIsaacArt

    McIsaacArt said 5 years ago

    Thank you, plain and simple

  • WatermelonWishes

    WatermelonWishes said 5 years ago

    Excellent!

  • EcoCessory

    EcoCessory said 5 years ago

    Thank you! I am glad to be part of ETSY!

  • shilohcoach

    shilohcoach said 5 years ago

    Thank YOU for listening! <3

  • CatzCatzCatz

    CatzCatzCatz said 5 years ago

    Thanks Dr. Adam!

  • thecareerscrapper

    thecareerscrapper said 5 years ago

    thank you!

  • ShinyAdornments

    ShinyAdornments said 5 years ago

    "PetitPoulailler said: Now that the publicity has played itself out and now that these incredibly vague changes have been made, tell us why you *really* made them." Yep. Good to know that negative press on CNN has an etsy impact. Too bad coralgate or resellers or the nazi flag didn't make CNN to nudge change here. While many sellers are happy to see this change, most of us know that it wasn't because of seller outrage, given prior history. 7 minutes ago

  • FforFelt

    FforFelt said 5 years ago

    One more thing on the touchy subject - I saw the items that caused the whole hustle. I found them distasteful. And? ...Well, nothing, I moved on to other beautiful things Etsy is filled with. It didn't offend my feelings. And what if it did? I wouldn't want it to be removed! That's nonsense. If I see something I don't like, I just don't buy it, don't heart it. The more I think about it, the less I like your reaction...

  • etherealflowers

    etherealflowers said 5 years ago

    welldone! and i agree with the Emeralwindow comment above. art never denigrates, it might shake you up and make you think, but never ever denigrates.

  • misseskwittys

    misseskwittys said 5 years ago

    I'm proud of you, Etsy, for taking this step. There is no good to be gained for fostering hate and making fun of disabled people, people's ethnic and religious backgrounds, and people who have been violated in any way. A public site, like Etsy, has to be careful with things like that. This is a diverse group of people and we shouldn't stand for the type of behavior that causes alienation, ridicule, hate, or mockery of anyone.

  • Annasjewelry

    Annasjewelry said 5 years ago

    Can I just say - it's about time!!

  • candhy1

    candhy1 said 5 years ago

    People saying who's going to decide what's offensive...common sense. It's seems pretty easy to see what is offensive. Poking fun at the handicap or rape victims as was done is just sick. It's not funny, and not something that someone should be proud of. (Proud of in the sense of having been the attacker). Great job Etsy listening to your buyers, sellers & just the public that spoke out in general.

  • foxpots

    foxpots said 5 years ago

    Well done & well said, Etsy! Respect for others is at the core of good business practices.

  • OhFaro

    OhFaro said 5 years ago

    How exactly will you police this? Letting the users do the policing (based on their interpretation of the rules and their own strict sensibilities) will only cause further censorship. Are boobs and nudes next? Etsy- Sanitized For Your Protection.

  • srempel

    srempel said 5 years ago

    Very happy to hear this. I will once again support Etsy shops on my blog! Thank you Etsy for listening to your shop owners, buys and public in general as you decided to make policy changes.

  • dlwetherill

    dlwetherill said 5 years ago

    THANKS for doing the right thing. I have NEVER bought from your sight but will now be a customer. WELL DONE ETSY.

  • FforFelt

    FforFelt said 5 years ago

    @ candhy1: (un)fortunately, despite its name "common sense" is the least "common" thing of all. What may offend you, doesn't have to offend me. Such as the given example of rape victims cards. They didn't offend me. I wouldn't buy them, but I didn't feel offended in any way. So the question stands: who is to decide?!

  • BoxrzDawtur

    BoxrzDawtur said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy! You keep it nice and neat and "on the top".

  • CositasSeriasVintage

    CositasSeriasVintage said 5 years ago

    Thank goodness!!!

  • TUTreasures

    TUTreasures said 5 years ago

    Very ambiguous and who now gets to decide what is permitted or not? Or is it going to be more like ebay where their web crawlers pick out certain words automatically, cancel a listing and you get a form letter stating so after the fact? I left ebay for that reason, because even though I never sold anything offensive, my wording sometimes was picked up anyway and I lost money and business. I hope that things are more carefully determined here.

  • frommylifetoyours

    frommylifetoyours said 5 years ago

    Thank you , proud to be an etsy member

  • stellaloella Admin

    stellaloella said 5 years ago

    Adam is traveling at the moment, and he doesn't have a continuous internet connection. Despite that, he is keeping tabs on the comments and reactions, and he asked me to share this: ---- I want to thank everyone for the thoughtful comments. Many of you seem to think we made the right call here. I want to respond the the folks who are concerned about a slippery slope. We are concerned about a slippery slope too. It is why we took the time we did in trying to craft these policies. There are no perfect answers in this debate. There is no pristinely clear policy anyone can write. We care deeply about artistic expression. Most of us at Etsy are artists or artisans of one kind or another. We also care about about our marketplace being an environment that values tolerance and respect. We are trying to find that balance in these policy changes. We will have to make judgment calls with this policy. Please know that we will take every decision around this seriously and with care. Very few items are affected by this policy and for those that are, we will do our best to make the right call and to work with artists and artisans who have concerns or questions. Thank you again, Adam

  • olula

    olula said 5 years ago

    The rule number 1 should be RESPECT!

  • wayfaringmagnolia

    wayfaringmagnolia said 5 years ago

    I think I've missed these items in question but I am happy to know they're not allowed any longer! Good work Etsy!

  • HippieChickBoutique

    HippieChickBoutique said 5 years ago

    I don't agree with degrading anyone in any form. but the "attack" that set forth on the shop in question was down right brutal. It's one thing for them to put up questionable items but for the community to attack them in the manner that they did is totally uncalled for. I hope that in the future when folks don't agree with what's being sold/said/presented that they deal with it in a more tactful manner. Thank you Etsy for dealing with the situation accordingly :)

  • ShadowCutter

    ShadowCutter said 5 years ago

    oh good! I hope the shop I saw with this problem is one of the ones brought to your attention and being stopped (I did report it). thanks Etsy

  • AmberGypsySky

    AmberGypsySky said 5 years ago

    I applaud you Etsy. If someone wants to make things filled with hatred and biggotry than they can do it in their own private place. Noone should make money or make fun off offending people. Let's not ruin a good thing we've got going here. Thanks for always being considerate

  • dayslonggone

    dayslonggone said 5 years ago

    Thanks, Etsy! I am surprised it took so long to do this but, am glad to see these changes. To see it on Fox news... not good advertising for Etsy at all!

  • PoedyPencilPrincess

    PoedyPencilPrincess said 5 years ago

    I come to Etsy to feel the love (and there is a lot of love) not hate. If I want hate I know where that is-everywhere! So thanks for caring about caring. I am feeling the love!

  • ShopMarigold

    ShopMarigold said 5 years ago

    thank you. I have been thinking long and hard about whether or not I wanted to continue my relationship with Etsy, due to reasons of this exact nature. It's just pretty sad that policies like this even have to exist. I agree with Etsy for taking a stand against these types of shops/people.

  • kathyoinspirations

    kathyoinspirations said 5 years ago

    So the right thing! Thank you!

  • AmberGypsySky

    AmberGypsySky said 5 years ago

    And there's a differnce between artful, beautiful nudity and disgusting obscene nudity. That's what I believe anyways

  • SchneiderGallery

    SchneiderGallery said 5 years ago

    I hope that zombies aren't prohibited, they bring so much joy and fun to this fantastic community :)

  • summerposey

    summerposey said 5 years ago

    Thank you for being the voice for so many.

  • zephrael

    zephrael said 5 years ago

    This is both a good thing and a bad thing. Is it wrong to be hateful? Yes. But what one person considers hateful and what someone else considers to be an off-color joke can be the same thing from two different perspectives. I haven't seen any of these shops anyone is vaguely referencing, but...if you are offended, don't buy from them. I don't see how the fact that Shop A sells items making fun of the handicapped means that Shop B will somehow be impacted. But people should be allowed to buy the things they find appealing, and if someone decides they really want a painting that puts a group of people down...shouldn't they have that right? I don't have to agree with someone's opinions, but...it's still their right to have them and it's still their right to express those feelings. And honestly...I like having clear indications of who to avoid on a day-to-day basis. Someone who buys offensive items would be high on my list of people to not associate with. But overall...I don't care. I don't buy anything I wouldn't be comfortable with my family seeing and I don't make things to be offensive. So...I don't know. This isn't going to make Etsy a magical Utopia. It'll just make a bunch of people angry and other people feel smug and vindicated as "nice people" who are unaffected because they're not "one of those offensive types." And then the rest of us won't really care because we never noticed the mean/nasty items to begin with. Soooo, good luck.

  • kgummey

    kgummey said 5 years ago

    I personally have never seen items that fall into these categories but I am glad that I won't have to now!! The whole slippery slope thing is stupid to me. Etsy isn't saying you can't express yourself artistically just that if you choose to to in a certain way that you can't sell those items on their website!! Go ETSY!! Good changes!! Keep up the good work!!

  • kgummey

    kgummey said 5 years ago

    I personally have never seen items that fall into these categories but I am glad that I won't have to now!! The whole slippery slope thing is stupid to me. Etsy isn't saying you can't express yourself artistically just that if you choose to to in a certain way that you can't sell those items on their website!! Go ETSY!! Good changes!! Keep up the good work!!

  • MzzThang

    MzzThang said 5 years ago

    Wow. The buzz must have died down. Probably not as much free advertising (good or bad) coming in so it was time to finally put this to rest and correct this one of many MAJOR Etsy blunders. Of course, I'm sure this move will be whispered into the ears of media too, possibly in hopes of gaining even more free advertisement for Etsy. Just another way to pad the pockets of the admin. Yup. Always thinking of themselves, and never caring nor paying any mind to what they're putting the sellers through. Shameful.

  • BellaBeads4U

    BellaBeads4U said 5 years ago

    Thank you for doing what is right!

  • trafalgarssquare

    trafalgarssquare said 5 years ago

    This is a fabulous new policy change! I'm totally all for keeping Etsy a professional website.

  • cutiepiecompany

    cutiepiecompany said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy! This is not the venue for these kind of items, thank you for taking this step.

  • Daffidolls

    Daffidolls said 5 years ago

    Very well put. Thank you.

  • thirstees

    thirstees said 5 years ago

    good news

  • LookAgainVintage

    LookAgainVintage said 5 years ago

    Wonderful! Very thoughtfully written post.

  • OhFaro

    OhFaro said 5 years ago

    I was not offended by the shop or their products, not my cup of tea but not my business. They WERE working within the rules. What was and still is offensive, is the PUBLIC treatment of the seller. They did nothing wrong and they got trampled by This Community In Public. WRONG on so many levels.

  • MaurineLoves

    MaurineLoves said 5 years ago

    I am about tired of the term "slippery slope" But good job etsy

  • PlanetCalamari

    PlanetCalamari said 5 years ago

    In light of the recent violence in AZ i think this is a wise policy. Maybe we can all give peace a chance and be nice for a change! Thank you

  • kingjickie

    kingjickie said 5 years ago

    You made the right choice! Thank you Etsy!

  • lauraprentice

    lauraprentice said 5 years ago

    I think this will be a positive change for Etsy and we can focus on all of the wonderful things that are happening. Kudos admin!

  • jerryswoodworks

    jerryswoodworks said 5 years ago

    Not real fond of the term "slippery slope," but if it walks like a duck...

  • CherishedHearts

    CherishedHearts said 5 years ago

    Thank you for the changes!

  • bossymom1969

    bossymom1969 said 5 years ago

    Thank you Adam, that is all we (parents/caretakers) of special needs children and adults ever wanted. No matter their special needs they are people too. They deserve to be respected and loved.Some of the post could have been edited,I am not making excuses because being a mother of a 5 month old precious gift with DS, my instincts to protect her at all cost came out. Never in my mind did I think I was going to be a mother again at 40,but she is here and I thank God every day I have her. Again Thank you so much for this change. And remember everyone CHANGE IS GOOD.

  • tortillagirl

    tortillagirl said 5 years ago

    THANK YOU.

  • MorningDove

    MorningDove said 5 years ago

    Thank you, Etsy

  • ohvotrecoeur

    ohvotrecoeur said 5 years ago

    Applause!!

  • redstarINK

    redstarINK said 5 years ago

    Cheers!

  • dsl9999

    dsl9999 said 5 years ago

    I hope you will consider banning fur items. IMO that supports violence.

  • LillieRainDesigns

    LillieRainDesigns said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy!

  • ruthmarian

    ruthmarian said 5 years ago

    Do what you gotta do Etsy; blessed are the decision makers.

  • arianaalysedesigns

    arianaalysedesigns said 5 years ago

    Censorship is never positive. I worry what won't be allowed next because someone gets offended.

  • amynspencer

    amynspencer said 5 years ago

    THANK YOU ETSY!!! YAY!!

  • maeflydesign

    maeflydesign said 5 years ago

    Beautifully appropriate. Thank you!

  • sylviahowes

    sylviahowes said 5 years ago

    Although I agree that a policy needs to be in place for the obviously hateful items that are for sale on Etsy, there must also be some restraint not to censor so much that we as artists are looking over our shoulders to see if what we're creating is going to offend someone - because it probably will. Artists have traditionally been at the forefront of social commentary through their art. I think of Picasso and his piece on Guernica. That being said - who decides what is art and what is not? This age old question has been debated over the centuries. For every period in history there has been art that was banned. This same art we now consider masterpieces. So who decides?

  • RoneeDelBianco

    RoneeDelBianco said 5 years ago

    Excellent. Now what about the resellers?

  • RoneeDelBianco

    RoneeDelBianco said 5 years ago

    Excellent. Now what about the resellers?

  • beliz82

    beliz82 said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy :)))

  • TheCoralCat

    TheCoralCat said 5 years ago

    I think it's great! EVERYTHING in the world does NOT have to be politicized!!!!! I'm a veteran and have defended every American's rights. Now, I make glass beads in my spare time - it is NOT to make a political, moral or social statement of any sort. They are just pretty! I love Etsy and I love the work of other talented crafters that I have met here. I'm glad that some standards have been set! Those wanting to make their politics heard can find another forum!!

  • StitchesOfThePast

    StitchesOfThePast said 5 years ago

    Awesome!

  • nealbrand

    nealbrand said 5 years ago

    It is sad that such a policy is necessary, but I agree with the decision.

  • southpawmetalworks

    southpawmetalworks said 5 years ago

    "support or glorify acts of violence or harm towards self or others"........I sell crosses on my site like the one Jesus died on. Am I in trouble? Slippery slope indeed.

  • nancyvt

    nancyvt said 5 years ago

    Etsy has every right to pick and choose what they want to allow to be sold from their 'store'. If this was a typical store front shop, the owner would decide what could or could not be sold in their shop; making a statement what they going to allow is perfectly appropriate! If somebody doesn't like it, I'm sure there are other places you can sell! Good for you Etsy.

  • xtinavox

    xtinavox said 5 years ago

    thank you. I was initially very disappointed in Etsy's response to the cards (I wrote about them on Care2.com) and am heartened to see this policy change. Kristina Chew

  • Baernworks

    Baernworks said 5 years ago

    The term slippery slope is being tossed about here as though it was a compelling term of debate. But if you want your argument to be taken seriously, you need to make a much stronger case for allowing the etsy marketplace to remain one in which certain classes are protected due to their race or religion, while women, non-heterosexuals, and the disabled are not. Do you seriously believe, for example, that the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) is some sort of step towards a totalitarian world in which the government mandates that stairs be outlawed and everyone has to sign while they speak? Or do you accept that some regulation, some recognition that minority interests should be considered and even protected, is in the best interest of the entire community? Setting boundaries of ANY kind can be said to be a "slippery slope" towards boundaries that are highly restrictive, discriminatory, censorious, etc. But generally, we recognize that human commerce - most human activity, in fact - works best when regulated to some degree, with care given for the equal protection of the disenfranchised or minority interest. Certainly a private business gets to set the rules it feels are most in keeping with its mission and philosophy. The rules etsy has adopted are indicative of a culture I'm proud to be associated with.

  • PintSizedDesigns

    PintSizedDesigns said 5 years ago

    Great decision Etsy! Thank you!

  • earthtoartceramics

    earthtoartceramics said 5 years ago

    You are definitely doing the right thing.

  • charmings

    charmings said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy for taking a difficult stand and keeping this a compassionate and supportive community. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke

  • hjmart

    hjmart said 5 years ago

    Thank you!!!

  • TheRubyKitten

    TheRubyKitten said 5 years ago

    excellent.

  • JPATPURSES

    JPATPURSES said 5 years ago

    YES!! Wonderful!

  • fivesisters

    fivesisters said 5 years ago

    as a mother of a profoundly handicapped son i thank you!

  • jduett

    jduett said 5 years ago

    This just makes me even more proud to be an Etsy junkie!

  • mjc880

    mjc880 said 5 years ago

    "...we want to recognize that tolerance and respect have to be part of the norms of our community." That says it all and should be what we strive for in all communities in general. Thanks, Etsy. MUCH appreciated!

  • culpepergeneral

    culpepergeneral said 5 years ago

    we do not need negativity in this wonderful community! Yay etsy. you are the bomb.

  • InspirationByFlorna

    InspirationByFlorna said 5 years ago

    Thank you so much Etsy! I, for one have had tears in my eyes when I have been told about, heard, witnessed and experienced racism and prejudice. I am mixed race - half black and half white so I really am pleased, thanks again! Yes, there are some people that disagree, maybe they have never experienced hatred before or maybe it has not been strong enough around them to make them think.

  • AutumnLeavesJewelry

    AutumnLeavesJewelry said 5 years ago

    etsy, thank you for looking into the issues surrounding misogony - it should never be tolerated and always always addressed! would The Gap allow it? No would most large retailers allow it? No i still need to read all of the wording, i was about to add a shop to my circle and saw a racist portrayal of a person of color and i was extremely turned off. I do have a question; in the 'Keeping it Weird' section of Etsy's blog will there be any changes? Shock value and the portrayal of dead babies/beheaded humans, etc. is so horrid, these images really bring the whole site down a bunch of notches imho...weird is one thing, shocking for the sake of shock is another... this is a retail site, not a gallery...or maybe it's both, but seems to be more retail... not sure if anyone else feels as i do about the keeping it weird section? (and i'm sure there a many times in this section where the images are not SO graphic, i just don't want to go there anymore because it's a big debbie-downer turn off)

  • Lilu3

    Lilu3 said 5 years ago

    Bravo!!!

  • TraceyKnits

    TraceyKnits said 5 years ago

    not sure how I feel about this. I respect the person who spurred on this controversy for their first amendment right to free speech, but I also know Etsy is a private company that can set its own standards for usage. I would like to see how this plays out in the long run, feels like it will effect the Art category most directly.

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  • anothertimeantiques

    anothertimeantiques said 5 years ago

    Thanks for being responsible to an ever changing world. I appreciate this move.

  • toriska

    toriska said 5 years ago

    A conclusion to this nasty situation, at last! I'm glad the concerns of many Etsy sellers and buyers were considered. Thank you so much for this change.

  • gardenleafdesign

    gardenleafdesign said 5 years ago

    Thank you.

  • NewYorkNeedleworks

    NewYorkNeedleworks said 5 years ago

    Thank you!!! Agree 100%, excellent.

  • 1HandWashesTheOther

    1HandWashesTheOther said 5 years ago

    Good job, Etsy!

  • Powerofflower

    Powerofflower said 5 years ago

    Very good!

  • Edithandthegrapes

    Edithandthegrapes said 5 years ago

    Thank you! Good riddance to that creep and glad I can still support your site.

  • hummingbirdministry

    hummingbirdministry said 5 years ago

    I'm glad to see that Etsy is taking a stand on this serious subject. It makes me proud to be a seller here!

  • SweetNSassySewing

    SweetNSassySewing said 5 years ago

    This is great! We should be spreading love and understanding, not hate.

  • SamJamCreations

    SamJamCreations said 5 years ago

    I was investigating other sites to pursue because of the negative press around Etsy. I figured since I'm just starting out maybe another site would be more suited to my desired image. Frankly I didn't want to be associated or compared to anyone that would think those items which caused the controversy were funny or ok to even produce. I am all about free speech but those listings weren't promoting an opinion or any kind of discourse. They were simply promoting hate in a snarky-trying-to-be-funny way. It was not in an artistic way. Thanks for taking this step and I hope this does not become a trend that one bad apple ruins a great site's reputation.

  • slaintebags

    slaintebags said 5 years ago

    I am so impressed with Etsy for taking this stand. Although I fight for everyone's right to free speech (even when I don't agree with you) I can't get it out of my mind that "words have consequences" - or in this case "t-shirts have consequences".

  • amynspencer

    amynspencer said 5 years ago

    To those upset by this new policy: its one thing to be "artistic" its a WHOLE DIFFERENT THING to mock. Which is what that seller was doing. Thats not artistic, its hateful. There's your difference.

  • wumpys

    wumpys said 5 years ago

    Thanks so much for listening to your users and doing what is right. I had every confidence that you would!

  • NedjmaBazaar

    NedjmaBazaar said 5 years ago

    as far as the first amendment, i believe that it doesnt apply here, as Etsy is a company, and managed as such. we may list on here, but ultimately it is the companies choice what to allow. every company does it. slippery slope, no. because the ultimate worst case scenario is that we get censored, which any company in their right mind WOULD do, with their reputation, sacrafice, and hard work on the line.

  • NedjmaBazaar

    NedjmaBazaar said 5 years ago

    as far as the first amendment, i believe that it doesnt apply here, as Etsy is a company, and managed as such. we may list on here, but ultimately it is the companies choice what to allow. every company does it. slippery slope, no. because the ultimate worst case scenario is that we get censored, which any company in their right mind WOULD do, with their reputation, sacrafice, and hard work on the line.

  • pipandbean

    pipandbean said 5 years ago

    Just another reason I am Proud to promote Etsy and be a part of the community on this site!!!

  • oldethings

    oldethings said 5 years ago

    I support this policy change while realizing the dangers. With vision you can manage this.

  • LizasWhimsicalArt

    LizasWhimsicalArt said 5 years ago

    Hi Adam, This is wonderful! Kudos to you for listening, hearing and doing something about it. Liza:)

  • wildtextilestudio

    wildtextilestudio said 5 years ago

    Thank you for listening to your community and the wider community of designers, makers and artists. I closed my shop in protest and removed the Etsy button from my website and twitter. They shall now be reinstated. I couldn't, in all conscience sell in a market place that supported such offensive and upsetting material, in the name of Art.

  • BelovedEnterprises

    BelovedEnterprises said 5 years ago

    What I find troubling is that Esty had to tell us this. I am aware of the store that was the start of this focus and in my opinion they were tacky & thoughtless in what they chose to promote. I totally get that's my opinion so it mostly counts on my planet but still... It is perfectly fine that everyone has a different level of tolerance and no, you will never be able to please everyone. But I think its safe to say that the majority of folks were offended by this sense of "humor". Etsy has the right to determine what gets sold through their brand and for those who liked that type of thing, I am sure in this day and age on the internet that store will find a home somewhere out there. I am proud, as an artist, and even understanding that censoring can be a dangerously gray area, that Etsy has made the decision they have. Just as you can't please everyone, neither can you be everything to everyone. The message I get from this is that Etsy does have standards and that makes me happy to be a part of this community once again. Kudos to you Etsy!!!

  • foodhorrorshow

    foodhorrorshow said 5 years ago

    Hmmm . . don't know if this is good or bad. Usually when you try to restrict and censor, it gets into an overly politically P.C. environment that could actually be more detrimental sometimes than a few silly arts and crafts that truly are just superficially mean. However, if these artworks are being done as a refuge or to intentionally and seriously promote some sort of harm to a part of society, then it's what needs to be done. I have a feeling that this plot will thicken in the upcoming months and years.

  • DesignedByLucinda

    DesignedByLucinda said 5 years ago

    I am concerned that the word "demean" is a huge umbrella word and I fear this might hoist you by your own petard in the end... But Etsy can certainly make their own policies as they see fit. It is in the interpretation and the application that might open whole cans of worms everywhere. Also, what is next in line? Whatever next makes it onto CNN? Allowing the appearance that public negative attention can influence the Etsy TOU is maybe not such a good precedent to set...

  • Gypsymoondesigns

    Gypsymoondesigns said 5 years ago

    I'm not sure how I feel. I don't purchase items that promote hate and violence but I feel that censorship is never good.

  • Tirabaralla

    Tirabaralla said 5 years ago

    With words we create worlds. Bit late (as in, if it would have come earlier it would have been easier to think it was sincere), but still...thank you. As a person from outside US I noticed that someone was at the same time saying "illegal or demeaning according to the laws of which country, which culture? As Etsy is international!" and "but the 1st emendament, the freedom of speech"...mixed up ideas, anyone? I come from a country and live in another, I have been religious, agnostic and religious again, I have been thin and chubby, beautiful and ugly, able to speak one language, two, three, four, brilliant in school, terrible in school, a good worker, a lazy worker, etc...I have gone trough many transformations in my life, as I am sure most of you. Hatred and lack of compassion where never in my books, trough all this changes and these years, this cultures and this situations. I hope everyone can say the same and haters not to be tolerated.

  • cridesigns

    cridesigns said 5 years ago

    Thank you so much! Smiles♥

  • thestapeliacompany

    thestapeliacompany said 5 years ago

    I love Etsy so much I want to marry it. Thank you for fostering a genuinely open creative community. :)

  • vertzvkv

    vertzvkv said 5 years ago

    Thank you, and yes, Etsy has absolutely done the right thing.

  • shatteredshards

    shatteredshards said 5 years ago

    Thank you for finally changing your policies on this. I just wish it hadn't taken petitions and CNN blasting you guys for it to happen.

  • VioletsNewVintage

    VioletsNewVintage said 5 years ago

    I am happy to see that this difficult area has been tackled and some positive decisions were made. Thank you!

  • crudeco

    crudeco said 5 years ago

    Standing on my chair applauding like a mad-mad woman!!!!!! I could actually cry....thank you for the revise. Mickey

  • AMSkrafts

    AMSkrafts said 5 years ago

    Thank you, I am a strong supporter of tolerance and respect to others. We promote different arts, crafts, cultures, ideas, and much, much more here; that's what I like best about Etsy.

  • villaylle

    villaylle said 5 years ago

    YAY!

  • sarahstreasurebox

    sarahstreasurebox said 5 years ago

    Thank you!

  • MorgainesWell

    MorgainesWell said 5 years ago

    I have read many of the comments here. And here is my not asked for 2 cents. 1.It is a first amendment issue. Freedom of speech and expression are sacred in the USA. I would like to point out however that Etsy seems to be a private institution. It is not government run. So just like a private school can issue a dress code or some sick twisted hate filled airline can refuse to fly people from the middle east, Etsy has every right to dictate certain terms as it sees fit. Because Etsy is not a government run public run website. 2. Art is absolutely about expressing one's self and one's perspective. But i think as an artist, art is about more than just self expression. It is a sword for truth and a shield for those in need. Wouldn't it be wonderful if rather than swords for intolerance if etsy were a shield for those in the most need? I think i personally would be proud to belong to a place that uses art in such a way rather than using it to damage others. 3. I also don't like being associated with hatred and intolerance. I am happy to have a debate about things. That is what good art does. It causes debate. What it doesn't seek to do is to slander whole groups of people. 4. I don't have a problem with a shop that wants to say "Yay white people!" while taking no position on black people and vice versa. I also have no problem with a shop saying YAY christians and making no mention of muslims or any other religion. And i don't mind gay people who have a shop saying YAY gayness while not mentioning straight folks at all. None of that bothers me. What DOES bother me is the shop that says YAY white people BOO black people! Or vice versa etc... There are ways to have an agenda as a sick twisted individual and as an artist that do not require hatred being deliberately aimed at another group of people. I don't see why some folks are acting as if insisting that such semi decency be required is such a "slippery slope." 5. I am dyslexic. Completely and totally dyslexic. As a dyslexic person i really don't apreciate seeing people being intolerant towards those with any mental or learning disabilities. If you want to say "Yay normal people!" and ignore completely the issue of those with mental disabilities that is fine by me too. You don't have to actually use art as a sword of hatred to use art to be hateful. You see? There are still ways you hate filled folks can hate without making the rest of us here on Etsy look like we are hate filled to. 6. As i have dyslexia, I just wanted to say to anyone that puts up nasty stuff about the mentally disabled.... I hate what you are doing. It is trashy and vile. But i still love you. No matter how horrid you might think me. I think so much of you that i am with Etsy in their demand to hold yourself and your arts and crafts to a higher standard. Because, after all, that shouldn't be difficult for someone as normal as you are that you can hate people and make products that denigrate people with mental disabilities. Peace.

  • LionLambStudio

    LionLambStudio said 5 years ago

    I'm happy etsy has the courage to take a stand. Being a privately held company basically gives them the freedom to do what they like. I support their position. There are plenty of other marketplaces out there that allow anything to be sold. I choose to be affiliated with a site that more closely represents what I happen to stand for. I applause etsy for taking a stand basically against hatred.

  • chicfragments

    chicfragments said 5 years ago

    Long overdue and much needed. Policies & revisions are always needed in business in an ever changing world and Etsy is no exception and needs to step up and do this more often. These sound very fair and well thought out. Thank you!

  • southpawmetalworks

    southpawmetalworks said 5 years ago

    I'm bored with the term "slippery slope". How 'bout "greasy incline"?

  • jmayoriginals

    jmayoriginals said 5 years ago

    Interesting.

  • XolBridalBoutique

    XolBridalBoutique said 5 years ago

    thank you I appreciate this change

  • mayzey29

    mayzey29 said 5 years ago

    I have come across some items that made me raise an eye brow. I am a bibliophile so I tend to err on the side of less censorship. However, your changes seem wise and logical. I agree with your changes. I have always felt this was a community of caring and sharing.

  • Baebe

    Baebe said 5 years ago

    Thank You!!

  • mjm629

    mjm629 said 5 years ago

    As a private company, you had the right to do what you thought was in your best interest. I'm thrilled to see this is the direction in which you're going. The items that recently sparked debate were unbelievably hurtful and I really didn't want to be a part of a community that supported their sale. I'm so glad that's not the case. Well done, and thank you.

  • yellowhippo

    yellowhippo said 5 years ago

    Thank you for making a bold and brave decision to honor all people. To continue to sell hate would have met Etsy would have given up it's integrity. I proudly support Etsy - you are so much more than the items for sale. The following is a quote from Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

  • thepolkadotplatypus

    thepolkadotplatypus said 5 years ago

    I think this is a very smart, respectable change. I was offended by the items in that store ... I don't know how you couldn't be, even if not for yourself. Some talk about freedom of speech ... Etsy isn't taking away people's freedom of speech, they just can't speak it on Etsy's website. Find somewhere else to go ...

  • jennova

    jennova said 5 years ago

    Thank you for this, my family has been asking about my Etsy store and I hated telling them they had to be careful how they looked up items. I was lucky enough to not see many offensive things, but those that I found were disturbing.

  • GentleMedusaSilver

    GentleMedusaSilver said 5 years ago

    yay for taking a stand, especially against people who think it's perfectly ok to denigrate people with intellectual disabilities.

  • TheBargainBabe

    TheBargainBabe said 5 years ago

    Fantastic!

  • basicblack

    basicblack said 5 years ago

    Thanks for reducing the meanness in this world. I'm confident everything will work out.

  • craftymcgee

    craftymcgee said 5 years ago

    I appreciate the sentiment, but these terms are SO broad. Already on this thread someone is complaining about how offensive they find the "Keeping it Weird" blog. It's my favorite! I don't find it offensive at all, even though most times I wouldn't consider buying any of the items. I live in a city were everyone is so concerned about not offending anyone that we can't even have a neighborhood Christmas tree anymore. It's not the least bit conducive to community. This makes me extremely nervous. Almost anything that can be created could potentially offend someone. Please be careful!

  • peelapom

    peelapom said 5 years ago

    Respect the change. Going to be interesting to see how it's implemented and enforced. What's demeaning to one person may not be to others.

  • Ellasmommy

    Ellasmommy said 5 years ago

    Hooray for Etsy! Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU for taking this brave stand. As one othe respondent said -- hate speech is legal. But that doesn't mean that Etsy has to support or give it a stage. My faith has been restored in Etsy. Bravo! Hooray! I'm shouting from the rooftops!

  • jesspeterson

    jesspeterson said 5 years ago

    Bravo... well done!

  • Mestee

    Mestee said 5 years ago

    I think most sellers on Etsy already promote good things and not hateful ideas, however some art is riske and some people like it. Are we censoring artists now based on imagery some people may not like? I agree with the spirit of the new policy but am also concerned that it may limit some forms of expression, much as I may not personally like those forms either ;-).

  • kimgeist

    kimgeist said 5 years ago

    adam, are you andy from the BRAVO channel's brother?

  • paramountvintage

    paramountvintage said 5 years ago

    what a great decision. thanks for promoting positivity.

  • SheepsHeadPapery

    SheepsHeadPapery said 5 years ago

    A positive change. Well done.

  • Tarapparel

    Tarapparel said 5 years ago

    great call Etsy!

  • ZurDesigns

    ZurDesigns said 5 years ago

    You are awesome!

  • MonkeysOnTheRoof

    MonkeysOnTheRoof said 5 years ago

    And this is what a stellar company does when the bottom line is not what drives them to be the BEST!

  • studiozuzu

    studiozuzu said 5 years ago

    Bravo.

  • PiecefulDesign

    PiecefulDesign said 5 years ago

    The gut feeling behind this decision is right. However, please remember that satire and commentary have a long history in art.

  • TwinMomMade

    TwinMomMade said 5 years ago

    This is a wonderful change. Maybe world peace can spread with the creativity and love from etsy sellers and buyers.

  • Lapidarious

    Lapidarious said 5 years ago

    Slippery slope? In mountaineering we use common sense and caution when traversing such terrain. Satire and commentary are one thing vulgar attacks another. Using your common sense will go far in keeping policies aptly applied.

  • annofthejungle

    annofthejungle said 5 years ago

    Adam, you're a rock star!!!

  • SweetSpotCardShopLD

    SweetSpotCardShopLD said 5 years ago

    Two thumbs up!!

  • littlepancakes

    littlepancakes said 5 years ago

    sloop, slop... y'all are having a hard time spelling slope here. Regardless, making fun of someone with down syndrome is never okay. As someone with a disability, I feel great about this.

  • SmallWondersArt

    SmallWondersArt said 5 years ago

    Good call! Feel you'll make good decisions surrounding these new TOU's

  • LaJubilee

    LaJubilee said 5 years ago

    Thank You Etsy for taking this stand. Bottom line is Etsy is a privately owned company and with in there rights to decide what is good for the company or not and like with anything else in life if you don't agree then move on to where you feel comfortable. There have been shops here that are just over the line with being decent and I don't think that is what Etsy wants to be know for. I applaud this change.

  • mztracyr

    mztracyr said 5 years ago

    I, for one, am very glad Etsy finally took a stand. For me however, the stand came much too late. That terrible site was left up for much too long. Myself and many friends are already leaving the Etsy site. For those 'wondering' about other unsure items, you must have been out of the loop regarding the site in question. The site clearly harassed certain groups of people, which was already in the terms. Still wondering why it took so long to remove. My only regrets is no longer selling or shopping here. Funny thing is one of the Etsy designers purchased from the shop and thought the demeaning and harassing cards were funny. Go figure! Good luck to all...

  • designbycassandra

    designbycassandra said 5 years ago

    I applaud Etsy's stance in keeping a moral responsibility to the people that embody this community, and yes - it's also a 'slippery slope' in what many people will deem a 'Freedom of Speech' (1st Amendment, Charter of Rights etc). A few things I've seen have been tongue-in-cheek, and a few things I've seen I can't believe are allowed to be on such a site. The argument of freedom of expression will always be a double-edged sword, but as a seller and a businessperson, I'd rather be associated with a global community that supports and welcomes everyone. Etsy is a business, and as a business, it is allowed to make guidelines on who will represent them. We have to remember, as well, that these guidelines are rather new, so vagueness is to be expected at first. That's where the grey area troubles me ... satire has always been a part of art. Will this suddenly open the flood gates to unnecessary censorship?

  • lookwhatifound

    lookwhatifound said 5 years ago

    Etsy can do whatever Etsy wants-it is a privately owned company. Just as they have said that items that aren't handmade, supplies or vintage can't be on the site, they can determine what they consider to be offensive. I am totaly against censorship but I don't feel Etsy is censoring anyone. They aren't saying that those items can no longer be created, only that they can't be sold here.

  • daisycakessoap

    daisycakessoap said 5 years ago

    well done.

  • DandelionEye

    DandelionEye said 5 years ago

    Etsy is a private company and can make any policy they want. That said, I think this is a very bad, broad policy. If there is a shop or an item that bothers me, I wont buy it or visit the shop. wow, that is simple. No need to label a piece of art as "hateful" because I dont like it. There are a lot of different ideas on what is offensive, who decides? I guaranty that what I find offensive will be different than what someone else does. A needless waste of time. lets all grow up a little and deal with the fact that we look at the world in different ways.

  • Quiltdream

    Quiltdream said 5 years ago

    Respect for self and others is not a slippery slope. Thank you Etsy for finally showing that all members of society are valued.

  • roseglen

    roseglen said 5 years ago

    I am aware that this most have been a difficult decision, but I am very please with the decision you have make. Thank you

  • hannahbird

    hannahbird said 5 years ago

    mentalembellisher says: Religion and vegetarianism are things that people have chosen...disabilities and sexual orientation are not. ^ YES. I think this is so important. I think Etsy made the right choice, and I have faith that this policy will be enforced as fairly and reasonably as possible, without leading to bans on anything and everything. There's a difference between "controversial" and "hateful" that I hope will be observed.

  • hannahbird

    hannahbird said 5 years ago

    mentalembellisher says: Religion and vegetarianism are things that people have chosen...disabilities and sexual orientation are not. ^ YES. I think this is so important. I think Etsy made the right choice, and I have faith that this policy will be enforced as fairly and reasonably as possible, without leading to bans on anything and everything. There's a difference between "controversial" and "hateful" that I hope will be observed.

  • Betsytracy

    Betsytracy said 5 years ago

    This is wonderful news. It is also the right thing to do for Etsy. Good work. Thank you.

  • DS23

    DS23 said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy!

  • CraftedRoots

    CraftedRoots said 5 years ago

    This takes some guts--glad to see Etsy stepping up to the plate! There will definitely be some disgruntled sellers, and a lot will take their work elsewhere, to be sure. But Etsy does have the right to say yea or nay, and do what they think is best for the community. Good luck! X-D

  • TheVespertineDream

    TheVespertineDream said 5 years ago

    "The revised policy now prohibits items or listings that promote or support illegal activity or instruct others to engage in illegal activity and items or listings that promote, support or glorify acts of violence or harm towards self or o...thers." Many different acts are considered illegal in different states. What dictates "harm" or "violence" towards another? In some eyes what might be thought of as harmful or violent is consensual, promotes growth and love. Everyone's ideas on love/hate, religion/spirituality, art/"pornography" vary so widely. It seems a shame to start censoring basic human creativity. I may not find many of the things on etsy to be in my liking, and I'm sure lots of people wouldn't see eye to eye on what I think is enjoyable or artistic. So as adults the proper thing to do is not engage in these things with which we do not agree, not to start screaming "NO, BAD, WRONG!" Coming from a long line of artists, one of which painted many well known New York street scenes, theater scenes and (Oh Nos!) naked women, the idea of drawing a right and wrong line in the art world is terrifying.

  • DantesSpirit

    DantesSpirit said 5 years ago

    It's about time! Pretty bad that it took so much negative publicity in order for you to realise that YES, that shop WAS hurting people and should not be here.

  • bannerarts

    bannerarts said 5 years ago

    Good way to handle these issues; thanks for the clarifications.

  • WildPoppyShoppe

    WildPoppyShoppe said 5 years ago

    I'm relieved to hear this news... slippery slope or not, hatred and degrading others should not be tolerated. Just because something is not easy to enforce doesn't mean it shouldn't be! Thanks Etsy, for promoting a community that tolerates each other.

  • kelolsen

    kelolsen said 5 years ago

    I don't see what this has to do with first ammendment rights. Its a private site and they can make their own rules. One has the right to open up their own website for selling items if one so chooses. I, for one, am glad that my items won't be associated with such hateful material. I saw some of greeting cards people were talking about and they were gross. I'm glad ETSY has taken this stand!

  • Parachute425

    Parachute425 said 5 years ago

    Ewwww - I think I just stepped in a can of worms. Hope you have enough full time employees to handle all the complaints from people who are offended by "something". Glad you took the stand though. As a business, Etsy can change whatever policies they want and we can go along or get along.

  • PatinaArtsAlchemy

    PatinaArtsAlchemy said 5 years ago

    Etsy is an online environment, so some people take that to mean "anything goes." Yea, art is subjective and can be raw (think Judy Chicago, Jeff Koons, etc.). But making money by mocking and exploiting the pain of vulnerable beings is never alright. Kudos to Etsy for making a stab at guidelines to limit the blight. As someone else said: "this is our workplace." Too right.

  • FreshUrbanVintage

    FreshUrbanVintage said 5 years ago

    wow, well. ok. I hate hate, honest I do, and I personally wouldn't create that sort of thing. But as an American it is hard to swallow any kind of censorship. I do recognize that it is an international site and not a public or governmental agency and so perhaps necessary to censor. Still, it leaves a bad taste. I'm concerned though, about vintage propaganda? Some of that is truly hateful but also historical and of intellectual interest and value.

  • berrypatchusa

    berrypatchusa said 5 years ago

    Thank you SO MUCH for doing this! I am an extremely broadminded person (really), but I was very bothered by this issue and was starting to feel like some folks had totally lost their ability to discern right from wrong!

  • Jonesing4Jewelry

    Jonesing4Jewelry said 5 years ago

    This is great news! Proactive and non-judgemental

  • ReverseClothing

    ReverseClothing said 5 years ago

    I actually missed all the drama with the seller who was mentioned on CNN and I went to look it up. I'd just like to point out that whether one likes it or not, one is judged by the company they keep. As a seller (I have another shop on here) I think the policy change was a good idea. I don't want my items promoted along with the types of items that I saw in the CNN clip. Search filters or not, it would turn off buyers and they would take thier money to another site. How many of the people here attacking the policy want to lose money? Show of hands? Don't we go into business to make money? Those worried about the "slippery slope" would do well to remember that Etsy is in the business of making money too. I doubt they would put so many restrictions into place that it would jeopardize thier bottom line. Those more concerned with thier freedom to sell whatever they want would do better in politics than business. It might be fun to create diseased vagina sculptures with offensive slogans on them and pictures depicting ritual torture but you probably wont make a living off that.

  • ArtisanHandcrafted

    ArtisanHandcrafted said 5 years ago

    Thank you for having the courage to just say 'enough!'. I am glad to hear it. I've seen some of the "art" here. Really? Art,huh? mmmk. I think men shown in the act of decapitating women, (as ART, of course!), surely must have it's place in a healthy society...you choose the place because I have NO idea where it belongs... but since this is where I work, I'm glad it's not Etsy anymore.

  • JustHEY

    JustHEY said 5 years ago

    Thank you, Etsy, for finally taking much needed action on this issue. It will help ensure that the positive, community-focused culture you've worked so hard to develop and which has until now been part of your brand recognition is not longer associated with the hate behind the items in question. For those who are concerned about this being a slippery slope and how it fits in with freedome of speach, I would encourage them to do their research a bit. Hate speach has never been covered by the US freedoms granted under the 1st Amendment.

  • HidingPlaceBeadery

    HidingPlaceBeadery said 5 years ago

    Excellent!

  • adriennekinsella

    adriennekinsella said 5 years ago

    Thank you, Etsy! God bless, Adrienne Kinsella

  • dharma8designs

    dharma8designs said 5 years ago

    I am very pleased that the administration took a long and thoughtful approach to this prior to acting. I am pleased they didn't react immediately to those who found a few sites offensive. The way it is written leads me to be less concerned that this could lead to any sellers who are "different" being removed because the majority believe that being different is offensive. Censorship has it's place (e.g. child porn); I just pray it is used judiciously.

  • bluebell

    bluebell said 5 years ago

    Good decision. I support it.

  • FaerieMajikk

    FaerieMajikk said 5 years ago

    This is fantastic news! I was really hoping something would be done about this, slippery slope or not - these actions came about from something that any one would refuse to tolerate. Well Done

  • aerogkyr

    aerogkyr said 5 years ago

    love it

  • aidan1230

    aidan1230 said 5 years ago

    Thank you, Etsy! This is great news. I, along with several of my friends, had decided not to buy anything else on Etsy because of the recent issues. Now I'm back.

  • bwithu

    bwithu said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy! I support it.

  • kittybblove

    kittybblove said 5 years ago

    This is common sense- great job etsy with the change! The function of etsy is NOT to provide an open arena that is free for all- they are creating a COMMUNITY. These are boundaries that promote the kind of community etsy wants. If you don't like the boundaries- there are plenty more communities on the web that will fit your standards. I personally like the etsy community :)

  • danimct

    danimct said 5 years ago

    thank you !! LOVE IT <3

  • TheOmegaWorkshop

    TheOmegaWorkshop said 5 years ago

    Here here! Very welcome. Well thought out and great implementation!

  • loverdoversclothing

    loverdoversclothing said 5 years ago

    SOUNDS GOOD!!! We don't need any haters here!!

  • ShadesofAwareness

    ShadesofAwareness said 5 years ago

    Thank you! I am proud once again!!! :)

  • ShadesofAwareness

    ShadesofAwareness said 5 years ago

    Thank you! I am proud once again!!! :)

  • DuQuellaTile

    DuQuellaTile said 5 years ago

    Thank you for your new policy. I hope you will continue to fine tune it so that it isn't so vague and generic.

  • StarrlightJewelry

    StarrlightJewelry said 5 years ago

    I am so happy these changes were made, thank you etsy!

  • modernmoments

    modernmoments said 5 years ago

    I must have missed the offensive items too, but I think that is a great stance to take! If people were just a little kinder to one another, the world would be a much better place. Yay for ETSY!!!

  • BonzoGal

    BonzoGal said 5 years ago

    @gypsypearls: 'Gypsy' is considered derogatory by many members of the Roma community because of negative and stereotypical associations with the term. Denigrating, as it were.

  • EvesLittleEarthlings

    EvesLittleEarthlings said 5 years ago

    Thank you for these changes!

  • ArtTales

    ArtTales said 5 years ago

    ShadesofAwareness says: Thank you! I am proud once again!!! :) -- Exactly!

  • spiralmoonfantasy

    spiralmoonfantasy said 5 years ago

    Thats fantastic, people who actually listen to others concerns. :)

  • noadi

    noadi said 5 years ago

    I'm incredibly disappointed in Etsy for this decision. It IS a slippery slope. What is derogatory? I'm an atheist, just expressing that I don't believe in god is considered offensive to many people who are religious. Evolution is offensive to many fundamentalists so are items which say Intelligent Design is a myth now prohibited?

  • SpiritEyes

    SpiritEyes said 5 years ago

    It is a good speech...in theory. But there is still discrimination here that no one will address I'm sure. Who is to say what is discrimination? I really hope to truly see these changes....but I'm not so sure. Guess we will see if Etsy will banish 500+ years of discrimination or just pretend it doesn't happen here.

  • TreeFrogJewelry

    TreeFrogJewelry said 5 years ago

    This decision has restored my comfort with being an Etsy seller. As a pediatric occupational therapist who treats children with special needs, I found the content to be mean spirited and harmful. Thank you for doing the right thing in this situation.

  • TreeFrogJewelry

    TreeFrogJewelry said 5 years ago

    This decision has restored my comfort with being an Etsy seller. As a pediatric occupational therapist who treats children with special needs, I found the content to be mean spirited and harmful. Thank you for doing the right thing in this situation.

  • noadi

    noadi said 5 years ago

    @JustHEY - You are EXTREMELY wrong. Hate speech Is protected under the 1st ammendment and this has been upheld numerous times by the Supreme Court. Look up the Westboro Baptist Church if you don't think it's protected speech (I think they are one of the vilest groups in the United States but what they say isn't illegal). The only "hate speech" prohibited by the 1st amendment are direct threats of harm and incitement of violence. Anything else is protected by law in the United States.

  • mazedasastoat

    mazedasastoat said 5 years ago

    So, if I see something that I feel offended by, I stir up all my forum buddies, team mates & my entire social network to complain & make a fuss... then, if we can make enough noise between us, Etsy will ban the offending item & all will be well in Etsyland? If you don't like it then don't buy it, ignore it, laugh derisively at it. Etsy should be tackling resellers (who always have been against their TOU) instead of changing their TOU to fit in with the users who shout the loudest. Does nobody realise that a witch hunt is ALWAYS an enraged mob attacking an individual seen to be different, & even when that "difference" is perceived by most of the mob as something they disapprove of that does not necessarily make it wrong? Also, the question of legality poses the question someone else asked... illegal where exactly? Storm in a teacup, mountains out of molehills, created by folks with too thin skins & no sense of humour or their own worth. "You can only be made to feel inferior with your permission." Eleanor Roosevelt. If I screamed foul every time someone attacked my religious views, my political views, my thoughts on female emancipation, gay liberation or animal rights then I wouldn't have time for my life.

  • lizhutnick

    lizhutnick said 5 years ago

    Thank you.

  • NatureVisions

    NatureVisions said 5 years ago

    While I can't say that I'm sorry the items in question are gone, I do find it odd that you left them up long enough for the seller to start capitalizing on all of the publicity. Not only that, but the seller's very first feedback came from an Etsy employee which suggested that Etsy endorsed these items. I don't normally agree with censorship, but even more, I don't agree with selling items that promote violence and hatred. I'm glad that Etsy is taking steps to ensure that this won't happen again. I truly hope, too, that the censorship won't become out of control (i.e., not allowing "mature" items that have been here for years). Thank you for addressing the issue, though, and letting us all know:-)

  • OneHeartArt

    OneHeartArt said 5 years ago

    Good news. Thanks, Etsy.

  • mrshondadoc

    mrshondadoc said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy for this change!!!

  • noadi

    noadi said 5 years ago

    By the way, the way your policies are now written no one can sell anything supporting Amnesty International (opposes female circumcision a religious practice). For that matter since pretty much all religions think other religions are false and their followers will go to hell that would make all religious themed items also against the new rules. DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM YET? Under the rules as written almost anything that references race, ethnicity, religion, gender, gender identity, disability, or sexual orientation would need to be prohibited because it would go against someone else's beliefs. Can't have pro-gay items because many Christians think they're evil and trying to recruit children.

  • OriginalsbyLauren

    OriginalsbyLauren said 5 years ago

    thanks! I am so glad this debate is ending.

  • OriginalsbyLauren

    OriginalsbyLauren said 5 years ago

    thanks! I am so glad this debate is ending.

  • HandKnitsByMelissa

    HandKnitsByMelissa said 5 years ago

    As a disabled etsy seller I truly appreciate that you are no longer allowing people to sell things that propagate hate towards myself and people like me. I am glad that you've made these changes and am proud to be a member of etsy! Thank you, Melissa.

  • srushingadams

    srushingadams said 5 years ago

    As a wheelchair user, I thank you, truly. Few speak up for people with disabilities of any kind. One more reason to shop Etsy!

  • PlushroomSoup

    PlushroomSoup said 5 years ago

    While I am ultimately okay with the stance Etsy has taken here, I just wanted to chime in to say, as a few others have, that what I find most disconcerting is how the watchword respect is and has been applied here by the community. I've seen a lot of hate directed at the seller in question, and comments like "good riddance." Whether or not the item or seller is in good taste, why is it okay to hurl insults at this person while still demanding that your beliefs and views be respected?

  • happyhound

    happyhound said 5 years ago

    Great call Etsy- you have done the right thing.

  • Mclovebuddy

    Mclovebuddy said 5 years ago

    thank you! i appreciate the thought and effort etsy put into weighing an artist's/artisan's right of expression, free speech and respecting community. you took a deliberate and measured approach rather than caving into anything politicizing and viral. good for you.

  • forrestinavintage

    forrestinavintage said 5 years ago

    Thank you

  • ajsweetsoap

    ajsweetsoap said 5 years ago

    I have to say I don't support the types of items that were in question at all and it doesn't bother me in the least to see them go, but I do believe the seller accomplished what he set out to do in the first place - generate A TON of traffic to his site which may have otherwise been overlooked amongst others of its kind, and although the publicity was negative and controversial, it was still publicity. Facebook and Twitter were overloaded with links to these items that everyone was finding offensive - constantly. I know one particular seller was even interviewed for a News segment regarding the controvery. These days when people are looking to stand out from the others, they resort to all kinds of attention-seeking tactics, whether good or bad, and I feel many people unknowingly fed into this by promoting them and paying them as much attention as they did. I'm glad to see Etsy take a stand one way or the other.

  • arsniccandy

    arsniccandy said 5 years ago

    Tis a shame you had to look over and change the policies due to individuals poor choices. Why do some people just not get it??

  • goodearthessentials

    goodearthessentials said 5 years ago

    After seeing the offensive items being allowed in this Etsy shop I had a vile taste in my mouth and I had to step back and wonder if I should close up shop. Just by having an Etsy shop was I condoning it? The horrific image making a mockery of Jesus Christ haunted me for days. I also am so very grateful you changed your policies. I believe you will be rewarded tenfold. THank you for doing the right thing.

  • harvestmoonprims

    harvestmoonprims said 5 years ago

    Thanks for your decision...there is nothing funny about being raped,child molestation,downs syndrome,having a disability or aids....nothing funny OR artistic! You have regained my respect for you as a company! Thank you for taking a stand!

  • cuteandcreepy

    cuteandcreepy said 5 years ago

    One mans poison can be another mans medicine.

  • papermajik

    papermajik said 5 years ago

    We are about creativity which always creates a good feeling for me.

  • bloomerie

    bloomerie said 5 years ago

    I applaud Etsy for the decision here. I'm sure there will be lots of details to tweak and adjust as time goes on, but this was a move in the right direction.

  • valentinefiberarts

    valentinefiberarts said 5 years ago

    I am disabled, thank you. My Mom died of cancer, thank you. Outstanding decision, thank you!

  • ArtCrush

    ArtCrush said 5 years ago

    Awesome

  • 4dollsintime

    4dollsintime said 5 years ago

    One of the reasons I chose to set up shop on Etsy was the friendly community kind of an atmosphere. When I looked at one of these shops in question, I really didn't feel that was the type of community I wanted to be a part of. So thank you, Etsy, for making a stand against hateful behavior. It is too bad we can't all just be nice to each other.

  • BelovedEnterprises

    BelovedEnterprises said 5 years ago

    I already posted so I will keep this short and sweet. I agree with Etsy's decision and feel that everywhere sets standards whether by setting them or choosing not to. But I also think that PlushroomSoup is on point about making sure we don't go overboard in our disgust to the point where we become as bad as the situation we claim not to like by being rude and insensitive to this shop for being "rude and insensitive".

  • BelovedEnterprises

    BelovedEnterprises said 5 years ago

    I already posted so I will keep this short and sweet. I agree with Etsy's decision and feel that everywhere sets standards whether by setting them or choosing not to. But I also think that PlushroomSoup is on point about making sure we don't go overboard in our disgust to the point where we become as bad as the situation we claim not to like by being rude and insensitive to this shop for being "rude and insensitive".

  • Mclovebuddy

    Mclovebuddy said 5 years ago

    "items or listings that promote or support illegal activity or instruct others to engage in illegal activity and items or listings that promote, support or glorify acts of violence or harm towards self or others." i think this states things quite well and we shouldn't try to go overboard either way considering the recent tucson shooting and the heated and vitriolic debate surrounding that. we all have to step back and look at how we engage in public discourse and one another.

  • TwoDancingCrows

    TwoDancingCrows said 5 years ago

    I'm very happy to see this! It was the right decision and helps maintain the friendly community on Etsy for all of us. Hate has no place on a site like Etsy. Thank you so much for addressing this.

  • SoulRole

    SoulRole said 5 years ago

    I am THRILLED to see these new policy changes!Bravo and mahalo for helping to promote a community of acceptance and inclusion!LOVE YOU ETSY!

  • mountainhomepottery

    mountainhomepottery said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy! When will we see this new policy enforced?

  • farmersattic

    farmersattic said 5 years ago

    It's never easy to take a stand for what is right!!! Thank you for listening to the voice of those who were offended and outraged these past few days. You could have swept it under the carpet but instead took note and did something about the situation. Thank you!!!

  • 4uidzne

    4uidzne said 5 years ago

    Wise move......... however, what took so long to act on this? Some things we should never tolerate!

  • beachgrasscottage

    beachgrasscottage said 5 years ago

    thank you for having the guts to take a stand. the world has enough hate and predjudice without Etsy supporting it to. good for you!!

  • marthasteele

    marthasteele said 5 years ago

    As a loyal Etsy shopper, the grateful daughter of a breast cancer survivor and the proud aunt of an awesome baby girl with Down Syndrome, I am thrilled at your willingness to take a stand. I sing Etsy's praises to everyone I know and now I have another reason to do so. THANK YOU!

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    This is a disturbing trend.

  • FeltedFriends

    FeltedFriends said 5 years ago

    Thank you for stepping up to the plate and taking a stand. I completely support your decision.

  • stellalola

    stellalola said 5 years ago

    awesome...thank you!

  • CreepyDolls

    CreepyDolls said 5 years ago

    This is the vaguest vague that ever vagued.

  • NeedleCraftNook

    NeedleCraftNook said 5 years ago

    I've never come across any of these kind of Items but I never saw a place for them either so I agree that we need to keep certain standards for everyone to feel comfortable as a shopper or seller so maybe it is a slippery slope like many think but apparently needed

  • TheSewingGin

    TheSewingGin said 5 years ago

    Thank you! I support your decision.

  • pOtatObUgs

    pOtatObUgs said 5 years ago

    Thank you! This is great news. And for those who cite the First Amendment- it has nothing to do with a private company. It gives you the right and freedom to speak out against the government. Doesn't apply here. Etsy has the right to govern their site as they see fit. Standing ovation!!

  • stagesphotography

    stagesphotography said 5 years ago

    John McCarthy said, 'When I see a slippery slope, my instinct is to build a terrace.' That is exactly what you have done, Etsy... you've built for us a grande, raised platform from which to showcase and purchase our art. Up here, we're not only protected from the haters (often disguised as first amendment cheerleaders), but we have a much clearer view of them. Thank you. Eyes have been opened. Now we can ALL move forward.

  • WinchesterLambourne

    WinchesterLambourne said 5 years ago

    Etsy, you're incredible. Thanks. :D

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    How soon before Etsy starts telling us who to vote for? I can't wait for that.

  • pixiegirl12

    pixiegirl12 said 5 years ago

    Thank you!

  • ikabags

    ikabags said 5 years ago

    Thank you so much ETSY and Adam :))

  • ButtonUpKnitz

    ButtonUpKnitz said 5 years ago

    what took so long?

  • celebratetheodd

    celebratetheodd said 5 years ago

    May you not slip on this slope.

  • extrafinecreations

    extrafinecreations said 5 years ago

    Steps like this can contribute to making Etsy a respected place to shop. Hats off to Etsy.

  • BrightSpotDesigns

    BrightSpotDesigns said 5 years ago

    I am in total agreement.

  • pinkbubble

    pinkbubble said 5 years ago

    THANK YOU.

  • justjuniors

    justjuniors said 5 years ago

    I don't understand why anyone seems to think this new policy refuses the first ammendment right to speak against the government.... As for people's reaction to the religion aspect, that was already part of the Etsy's policy, so I don't see there being any changes there. Ultimately it is still up to Etsy to make the final decisions, and I am sure they will be looking at the overall picture. From what I can gather, disagreement will be allowed, just not hatred. People will still have the opportunity to report offensive material, and then Etsy will have the right to agree or disagree. This isn't a court of law people! It's not about proving beyond any doubt or holding them to their policies on a technicality. This is their site, and as customers we have the right to complain, we have the right to go to the media or boycott, we have the right to take to court anything that breaks the law directly, but we don't have the right to force their hand. I for one was very angry about how Etsy handled this situation in the beginning. And I do think maybe things could have been handled differently. However, I am happy to see that for whatever reason, they have taken a stand and listened to the people. Well done!

  • DesignedByYou

    DesignedByYou said 5 years ago

    Thank you, Etsy!

  • EarthCandycreations

    EarthCandycreations said 5 years ago

    Thank you for keeping Etsy lovely and pure! A NICE, healthy and cosy market place for all of us here.. Keep the heart and soul... and the beautiful spirit!

  • madeforyoubyfina

    madeforyoubyfina said 5 years ago

    I think some people are misunderstanding some things: 1st of all: this is NOT a 1st Amendment issue. The Constitution prevents the STATE from blocking free speech. Etsy is a commercial website. It can block anything it wants to - the constitution has nothing to do with it. 2ndly: Having a written policy allows Etsy to make decisions on a case by case basis and protects them from legal complaints. Having a policy against "illegal" things doesn't mean that they can, will or must shut down every shop that promotes graffiti, for instance. All it means is that if an item comes to the attention of Etsy staff and Etsy wants to force the shop to discontinue that item, the new broader policies allow them to do so. That's why they explained that, even though they wanted to remove the un-named offensive items, their policy didn't prohibit the items - so they couldn't. The change in policy gives Etsy more discretion. That's it. It doesn't mean that every item that some of the commenters are saying constitute a grey area will all be removed.

  • vintagedazzle

    vintagedazzle said 5 years ago

    THANK YOU, madeforyoubyfina. An excellent clarification. And thank you, Etsy. I think you handled this just right. You thought things through before acting rashly.

  • mja716

    mja716 said 5 years ago

    As the mother of a child with Down syndrome, I thank you very much.

  • ClayLickCreekPottery

    ClayLickCreekPottery said 5 years ago

    Thank you---there is too much meanness in the world to add more to it. Stay on the high road.

  • magicjelly

    magicjelly said 5 years ago

    I've debated this already at length, so all I'll say is thank you - good call.

  • celebratetheodd

    celebratetheodd said 5 years ago

    I am going to be guarded... because to me, the products that have been removed did not glorify, support or promote said things. As for the "otherwise demean people"... I worry about that. Literally EVERYTHING can be seen as demeaning. The world is not cupcakes, roses and unicorn farts. Heck, a lot of humor is demeaning and disparaging by nature... will all joke items now be removed when they offend someone? I have a feeling when anyone rises a big enough stink, that something will just disappear and so will artistic expression. I will stay for now to see how this plays out, but I have one foot out the door.

  • juliannedouglas

    juliannedouglas said 5 years ago

    Thank you, Etsy, for your courage in taking a stand on these issues. As a mom of a little girl who experiences often intense discrimination because of her disability, I have nothing but deep gratitude that you've had a hand in making her world a less ignorant and intolerant place. You are promoting the civil rights of all human beings. Right on. To those who worry, no doubt these kind of judgment calls can be tricky; but part of civil evolution is taking risks, and figuring out when to call a spade a spade. I'm the last person to want to staunch free speech. I sense that Etsy really gets the fact that there is a fine line between art and discrimination, expression and civility. Bravo for Etsy.

  • millerm2

    millerm2 said 5 years ago

    As a mom of child with disability that was being mocked on some items here, I am so relieved. Had I received one of those cards making fun of my child when he was born with DS, I am not sure I could have handled it. While all not view my child as beautiful, I certainly do and with others to keep their opinions to themselves and not try to degrade and humiliate somone for something they cannot change-why would someone want to intentionally hurt someone's feelings? Thanks Etsy for your quick respons to this problem!

  • juln

    juln said 5 years ago

    Good move, in my opinion. It's not about freedom of speech, it's about setting a tone for the marketplace. There's a big difference between making a statement artistically and tastelessly trolling to offend people. It's very good that Etsy is moving to make sure the site is not one that we may be embarrassed to be associated with, which honestly is how I felt when I saw that segment on CNN.

  • NaturalVibesJewelry

    NaturalVibesJewelry said 5 years ago

    Absolutely good decision etsy, not just for businesses, but for all humankind. I've felt that our general climate in this country has been too vitriolic and hate filled as of late and with events that occurred this past weekend, I think this policy change will be extremely beneficial for all of us. Thank you for taking a stand against hatred and violence.

  • silverWARES

    silverWARES said 5 years ago

    I stand behind Etsy on this one and glad to see that a decision has been made. I do worry as some have said what can of worms this could open. But let's hope that is will soon die downs and things get back to normal...whatever that is...lol

  • needleyou

    needleyou said 5 years ago

    Good for you Etsy!

  • purlsofcolour

    purlsofcolour said 5 years ago

    I am surprised how quickly people are willing to trade their basic freedoms for some vague policy that promises some (false) security from the big bad world out there. I totally missed the controversy, but from reading up on it just now, it sounds to me as if an issue that could have been solved quickly and amicably has turned into some sort of witchhunt. I thought Etsy is a creative and artistic community, and as such, able to engage with art and creative expression, which isn't always 'nice', clean or peaceful. Art can provoke, shake you up and question your own prejudices and world view. I am certainly opposed to inciting hatred against anybody, but I also believe in artistic dialogue not finger-pointing and scaremongering. I hope these new rules do not lead to frenzied flagging of anything somebody finds even remotely offensive, misunderstands, or just doesn't like, or worse, self-censorship of creatives. If crafters and artists have to start watching themselves, Etsy will lose a lot of its creativity. And creativity and diversity are Etsy's strength.

  • swankboy

    swankboy said 5 years ago

    I don't agree with this change completely, but I do understand why Etsy has done it. I did have an item removed that is now in violation of Etsy's new policies—a German WWII Luftschutz helmet. I hope they are going to refund listing fees for items that have been pulled since they were listed when they were not in violation of any policies. It's more and more likely I'll just keep this helmet. As the hand-ringing, and desire for people not to be offended by anything ever, increases some of history will be lost. Soon things like I had listed will be illegal to sell and maybe even illegal to own in the USA (as they are in France and Germany). As the saying goes "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Stifling historical artifacts that are not being advertised to spread hate, but to capture a time in history and remind us of our pasts, whether that be good or bad, will eventually have a detrimental impact.

  • uncommonvintage

    uncommonvintage said 5 years ago

    Thanks for making this change. There is far too much hatred and violence in the world and it's definitely NOT a joking matter. I don't see this as censorship at all. This person is free to make those cards till the day she drops dead but NO ONE is obligated to buy them or required to provide a venue for her to sell them.

  • sammysgrammy

    sammysgrammy said 5 years ago

    Thank you. I'm proud of etsy and happy to be associated with this organization.

  • LoveJaneJewelry

    LoveJaneJewelry said 5 years ago

    Thank you, nicely stated and completely necessary.

  • dewdropvintage

    dewdropvintage said 5 years ago

    Thank you!!

  • brooksbarrow

    brooksbarrow said 5 years ago

    erring on the side of common decency, even when its belated, it's still the wise choice. Kudos to those behind the scenes that chose an upright course.

  • Mclovebuddy

    Mclovebuddy said 5 years ago

    last note, in regards to the slippery slope, etsy is a brand, it's not a free for all marketplace. factory made items and resellers are not allowed to sell there items here, this would be similar as well. i don't know if these changes have as much to do with a card as what's been going on in the bigger picture with highly vitriolic and hateful language targeting specific individuals in the U.S. in recent years (where etsy is headquartered) especially in light of the massacre in tucson. if applied to the offensive cards, reasonable adults usually don't rant or show such scathing insensitivity to those who are or have suffered trauma. sure, there's free speech, but at what cost and to whom? if it's not you, but your neighbor then is that not such a big deal?

  • moboogie

    moboogie said 5 years ago

    Thank you!!!

  • trinlayk

    trinlayk said 5 years ago

    There needs to be a very clear delineation of what is allowed and what is not allowed. ie: I'm a blue-bunny...I look for and need items about blue bunnies, and for blue bunnies... but maybe orange dogs feel that blue bunnies don't belong on etsy, and maybe someone making carrots shouldn't be selling on ETSY. Where's a clear guideline that says "handmade carrots for blue bunnies" or "art for blue bunnies" is OK? even if Orange dogs might think blue bunnies are out of place here.

  • bmjnyc

    bmjnyc said 5 years ago

    Thank you.

  • cattuslavandula

    cattuslavandula said 5 years ago

    Wonderful! Thank You Etsy!

  • WoodlandCottage

    WoodlandCottage said 5 years ago

    Good news. Thank you, Etsy. Adam, you did a superb job explaining the changes.

  • TenThirtyNine

    TenThirtyNine said 5 years ago

    Thank you.

  • Readit2meagain

    Readit2meagain said 5 years ago

    Thank You! As a mom of a child with disabilities I appreciate it.

  • naplesstevens

    naplesstevens said 5 years ago

    I understand both sides of this debate. I think the fact that there is a debate showcases what makes the artistic community so wonderfully diverse. I make my stance with my wallet. I don't buy or sell offensive items, so I don't expect this to affect me. Nothing good can come from hatred, and I respect Etsy's stand. Still, I can't help but think that there could've been a less controversial solution. Why not place an optional "filter" (think: google's safe search) that buyers and sellers can enable, should they feel the need? Require sellers to use certain tags on inflammatory items, and these items are then excluded from view if you enable the filter. Nobody feels they are losing their freedom of expression, and browsers can censor if they want to. That being said, it's not often you see a large company take a moral stand. I'm glad to see that when faced with a choice, Etsy chose the high road.

  • scaredycatprimitives

    scaredycatprimitives said 5 years ago

    In the end it is your site to make the rules as you see fit. I love the diversity of Etsy but agree that some items just push the line a little too far. Thanks Etsy!

  • scaredycatprimitives

    scaredycatprimitives said 5 years ago

    In the end it is your site to make the rules as you see fit. I love the diversity of Etsy but agree that some items just push the line a little too far. Thanks Etsy!

  • CuppcakeCouture

    CuppcakeCouture said 5 years ago

    This is great!! thanks!

  • yld70

    yld70 said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy! <3

  • TheRedDoorPursuit

    TheRedDoorPursuit said 5 years ago

    I'm torn. I agree, no hate items encouraging racism should be allowed. But what about the corn cob pipe that is featured on the front page..This is vintage and a great piece of memorabilia that reminds us our grandfather that is now considered tobacco and/or drug paraphernalia. This leaves a huge grey area of history including ashtrays, flasks, pipes and on a more mature note, I know of some very talented and unique shops that sell very tasteful nudes, mature sculptures and adult toys. Etsy is a great community, but because it is so diverse and free to be creative. I'm worried this change will discourage anything that doesn't promote owls and mustaches. Don't give up fellow-minded friends! And thank you for also giving your opinion.

  • sunflowerexpress

    sunflowerexpress said 5 years ago

    Its not censorship. You can hate or demean people just don't do it here. Censorship is suppression of speech or other communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the general body of people as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body.(stolen from wikipedia) I suppose if you find etsy to be a controling body that would make sense but they don't control me so i don't buy that. Etsy has a right to decide if they want to make money or profit from these sorts of items. If you take money for something does that mean you condone it? Many would say yes. I appreciate what etsy did here and what they said. It makes sense and its kind. I appreciate that way more.

  • violethaze00

    violethaze00 said 5 years ago

    I wrote to ETSY regarding some of the items in question and I appreciate that you took the time to look over your policies again. I have the cutest little boy who happens to have Down Syndrome. Thank you on behalf of him.

  • studiorandom

    studiorandom said 5 years ago

    FYI, oh ye First Amendment defenders, it might help if you go look at what the First Amendment actually *says.* The first words in the Amendment are "Congress shall make no law..." In short, there's no way Etsy can violate the 1st since Etsy, by definition, is not Congress. Unless I overslept and this country came to its collective senses and voted the staff of Etsy in to represent us at the Capitol, with Adam as Speaker of the House. Stranger things have happened, but somehow I rather doubt this one. I do expect to see religious ideas and irreligious ideas treated with equal weight, as well as equal tolerance given to people of all dietary habits, not just the rabbitlike ones... I'm a bit tired of feeling defensive every other time I come here and read something from the Etsy staff. But some of that's my own baggage and I deal. As long as I'm not shut up when I put my own two cents in, it's all good.

  • galla15

    galla15 said 5 years ago

    I haven't been able to read all the comments here. I read a lot of the debates in the forums and I know many feel that these changes would infringe upon an artist expressing themselves. And many were worried about censorship. I personally think that Etsy needs to represent themselves in a consistent manner with their goals. It is their site, and they have tried to develop a community that is tolerant and accepting. And I think these new changes are good. This is a company looking to go public and so what they want to represent/endorse can have a huge impact for them. To go completely uncensored means you start your own site and represent yourself, not someone else's company. I think this was a smart move. I do wonder what is now not allowed. Thigns that promote illegal activity isn't allowed... so pipes that are used for illegal drugs? I am interested in hearing more specifics for sure of what these changes will mean.

  • littlesistahstudio

    littlesistahstudio said 5 years ago

    "We no longer allow items or listings that promote, support or glorify hatred toward or otherwise demean people based upon race, ethnicity, religion, gender, gender identity, disability, or sexual orientation; including items or content that promote organizations with such views." The company I work for spends a great deal of effort in training employees on what constitutes harassment or discrimination based on the same categories Adam listed. The lines you cannot cross (and there are a lot of them) are defined by California law. You cross; you loose your job because harassment/discrimination cases can be deadly financially for both company and offending employee (in California anyway). Just saying I am not legally protected at all against demeaning or discriminating against anyone based on these characteristics. Even without the legal standpoints I am proud to work for a zero-tolerance company (family owned - private) that makes sure everyone is assured of a safe and comfortable work environment. I applaud what you are trying to do Etsy, regardless of the impetus. It is the right thing to do, but I don't envy you the journey in trying to make it work.

  • Evajune

    Evajune said 5 years ago

    I look forward to see this new development. It seems that there is much to discuss.

  • FancyMeFancyYou

    FancyMeFancyYou said 5 years ago

    Sometimes you have to make a stand on one side or the other; Adam, your stand is a good one!

  • FancyMeFancyYou

    FancyMeFancyYou said 5 years ago

    OK, it's worth saying twice :-)

  • SDesq

    SDesq said 5 years ago

    The creative world evolves. It's never remained stagnant for long. Artists have always pushed the boundaries. Sometimes the word "art" has even been called into question when describing the works involved. Who can really say what is art and what is crap, what is creative and what is a waste of effort, what is cutting edge and what is just cutting? I know I can't and, too, I'm glad I don't have to make those sort of decisions.

  • mudijudi

    mudijudi said 5 years ago

    Thanks much!

  • mudijudi

    mudijudi said 5 years ago

    Thanks much!

  • hfinallyquiet

    hfinallyquiet said 5 years ago

    Thank you! Respect is very important.

  • gogogrrrl

    gogogrrrl said 5 years ago

    Thankyou so incredibly much for the change,I coulnd't understand how the items in question didn't already violate the spirit of your anti-hate policy, but specifically adding gender & disability makes this really clear & makes me feel so much better about Etsy & life. Creativity rocks, hatred sucks.

  • mmwenger

    mmwenger said 5 years ago

    Yay Etsy! I'm SO glad you made this decision! Kudos for taking the higher ground on this issue. I will be a customer for life.

  • PhotographyByLilith

    PhotographyByLilith said 5 years ago

    I am highly against this new rule as I have personally seen it affect artwork that does not promote hatred towards another individual or group of individuals. I CHALLENGE ETSY to review how they address these types of works and to create a way that does not immediately ban the work, but rather do something like create a link after the thumbnail has been clicked on, that states the artwork contains subject matter that is 18+ or not for sensitive individuals.

  • WellspringCreations

    WellspringCreations said 5 years ago

    I think Etsy's stance very well represents the community that has developed here. This is a place for us to be united in our common goal of sharing out art. That very feeling of community would be destroyed by allowing any group to be singled out in a hateful or even derogatory manner.

  • TheMermaidsSong

    TheMermaidsSong said 5 years ago

    Glad to see this and hope it is the first in many proactive and positive changes.

  • all4gals

    all4gals said 5 years ago

    THANK YOU! Now it feels like a safe place to shop.

  • angiekmomof3

    angiekmomof3 said 5 years ago

    Thank you!!!!

  • mamarunswithscissors

    mamarunswithscissors said 5 years ago

    well done ETSY!

  • PhotographyByLilith

    PhotographyByLilith said 5 years ago

    I also feel as if after reading testimonials from those who had items deleted, that Etsy is in the wrong for deleting certain items and once again challenge Etsy to rethink the way they are handling this as well as the way they are wording their policies and posts about their policies. Please don't lump things such as a historical item or an item of someone showing fear upon themselves to the world in the same catagory as promoting hate or violence. How about for once people and companies promote that PEOPLE THEMSELVES be responsible about what actions they take and that they teach their kids to have an open mind to the world rather than shuting things out without a good explaination. It is ignorance such as what is occuring in this community that is dragging this world further down the hole.

  • PoppyLayneStudio

    PoppyLayneStudio said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy! So happy to hear these changes were made.

  • KittyGritty

    KittyGritty said 5 years ago

    Good for you, Etsy. I'm all for free speech, but there's no question that there is too much hatred and violence in real life (ironically your new policies came out this week) and as a business you should be able to choose to not include shops that promote them. Yes, you may have some tough decisions to make about this issue, but thanks for taking a stand and taking this on.

  • andiehaynes

    andiehaynes said 5 years ago

    ...so....you know what they say about opinions....they're just like...ummm....EYE HOLES...yes, that's it....everybody has 'em! Classy move Etsy...Now let's go make some art! :)

  • whimsicals

    whimsicals said 5 years ago

    Good call, Etsy, and thank you.

  • TheLetterStudio

    TheLetterStudio said 5 years ago

    Thank you so much!!! I know a lot of people who are thrilled with this change!!

  • standpretty

    standpretty said 5 years ago

    I support this 100%! Keep Etsy classy! Sexual assault and people with disabilities shouldn't be the butt of any jokes, EVER.

  • shawnz

    shawnz said 5 years ago

    Great news. Thank you, etsy.

  • RSSDesignsInFiber

    RSSDesignsInFiber said 5 years ago

    Thank You! I believe in tolerance -- but along with tolerance goes respect for others, whatever their orientation, whatever their medical problems!! I don't feel that there is a place in honest, public business for personal degredation on those lines. And it certainly isn't Art!

  • clovas

    clovas said 5 years ago

    That is wonderful news. Thank you for choosing the right thing over mere money. This is why I am selling on Etsy...the community, creativity and common sense. The big 3 'C's.

  • SweetPeaFabrications

    SweetPeaFabrications said 5 years ago

    Wow, so many opinions- all valuable in their own right. I am happy for the changes made here on Etsy. I would love to believe that our behaviors are not influenced by what we read in our daily newspaper, what we hear on television,or what we see on a T- shirt purchased on Etsy. However, we are all influenced by everything that surrounds us, for better or worse. In my mind, any steps towards reducing intolerance and violence, can only be good. Thank you.

  • SweetPeaFabrications

    SweetPeaFabrications said 5 years ago

    Wow, so many opinions- all valuable in their own right. I am happy for the changes made here on Etsy. I would love to believe that our behaviors are not influenced by what we read in our daily newspaper, what we hear on television,or what we see on a T- shirt purchased on Etsy. However, we are all influenced by everything that surrounds us, for better or worse. In my mind, any steps towards reducing intolerance and violence, can only be good. Thank you.

  • VintageShenanigans

    VintageShenanigans said 5 years ago

    Terrific policies -- Thanks Etsy ;)

  • busterandboo

    busterandboo said 5 years ago

    Excellent, thank you.

  • GlassDragonBearsEtc

    GlassDragonBearsEtc said 5 years ago

    great news! Thanks for the changes!

  • LaBellaTerra

    LaBellaTerra said 5 years ago

    A great stand on sensitive issues! Thank you

  • hfinallyquiet

    hfinallyquiet said 5 years ago

    I usually don't find crocheted hats or blue bunnies offensive. I don't think many other people would either. If the crocheted hat has embroidery on it that says "rape is funny" or "Hey, rape victims should be congratulated!" yeah, I find that offensive. If the blue bunny holds a sign that says "People with Down syndrome are too stupid to count" it will offend a lot of people. It boils down to the targeting of a group of people based on something that the group cannot change (race, disability, sexual orientation, etc) for the purpose of demeaning them. Yes, some art might toe that line, but majority may rule in those cases. If enough people report the item for the same reason, it might give Etsy reason to remove it. As far as religion/crosses/atheism, I think it was said perfectly above by MorgainesWell. Saying "Yay" for one group of people is NOT the same as saying "Booooo" to the opposite group of people.

  • dalesdreams

    dalesdreams said 5 years ago

    Thank you! :)

  • Telomerase

    Telomerase said 5 years ago

    I'm just worried these new rules won't be enforced objectively, and people will just be selectively censored because some members/admins personally feel an item is in violation of these rules.

  • TheWorstShopEver

    TheWorstShopEver said 5 years ago

    I'm offended by this whole article. Where can I flag it so that you guys can go over it?

  • metronomic1

    metronomic1 said 5 years ago

    Censorship is alive and well even on Etsy. This is quite frankly retarded.

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    Wow. ambiguity the likes even the most politically correct person on the planet can't avoid. I'm all about not having things that "promote hate" but by the rules it is so subjective that there is absolutely no way in hell you can use this policy fairly. Thanks Change.org for pushing your crybaby views on everyone! By the way. Cotton offends me, because I was born in GA and it's history is racist. I also am offended by anything menstruation or pregnancy related, since I had an emergency hysterectomy several years ago. I'm Buddhist, so any other religious items are offensive and promote hate towards Buddhists. Ridiculous.

  • jarabas

    jarabas said 5 years ago

    Very glad to hear about this.

  • unseeliepixie

    unseeliepixie said 5 years ago

    I don't suppose this includes a stricter stance on those who insist on portraying mass produced items as handmade pieces? This merchants are a bigger threat than someone's off color birthday card.

  • mztracyr

    mztracyr said 5 years ago

    Maybe this comment will not be deleted. The site is not gone, and there are still offensive cards there. This comment has everything to do with this blog. As did my comment which got deleted. The truth hurts and in reality nothing was really done until all the offensive cards are removed. Again, this has everything to do with this blog. I am just letting other Etsians know that, in reality, not all was removed and this is just to please some. And yes, knowing that the offensive cards are still in his sold section is also pertaining to this blog. By removing my comments showing people the truth, now that is against my rights. I used only the truth and no profanity in any way, yet Etsy removed my comment, as it showed their true light. And yes, etsy personnel purchased from the site as well which shows why the site remains. Print screening as is saved!

  • Telomerase

    Telomerase said 5 years ago

    Also, Etsy, have you checked out the MDY Vs Blizzard ruling? The courts were not happy that Blizzard made updates to their TOU specifically to stop MDY (and similar people) from doing things that were previously allowed. They did not agree with TOUs being used as a weapon, which is exactly what you have done. Really hope the people who had their listings pulled due to this at least talk to their lawyers.

  • metronomic1

    metronomic1 said 5 years ago

    Hippie bullsh*t. If someones items offend you, don't buy them. It's pretty simple.

  • cloudkeeper

    cloudkeeper said 5 years ago

    Right on, ETSY!

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    I foresee some ACLU love in etsy's future.

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    I seriously hope that you start by banning the people who buy stuff from sweatshops in Asia and try to pass them off as handmade. Those people are promoting the exploitation of Women, children and the poor (which is freaking a big boiling pot of hatred)and is promoting hatred towards people who actually MAKE the things they sell.

  • LookatthisHoney

    LookatthisHoney said 5 years ago

    Thank you! :-)

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    There are currently 901 items tagged "Obama" listed on Etsy. This is a problem. Barack Obama has explicitly stated that he defines marriage as between one man and one woman. As a gay man, I find this incredibly demeaning, hurtful, and offensive. I consider any item with his visage on it to be a form of hate speech. Please remove all offending items. Hey, these are your rules, not mine. Sincerely, Sadaharu Oh

  • MikeNYC7

    MikeNYC7 said 5 years ago

    I hope they've hired professional cat herders....(this post is not meant to offend any cat of human, no cats were harmed during this post)

  • muinamir

    muinamir said 5 years ago

    The 'promotes violence' thing being included is bothering me. When Halloween rolls around are you going to ban stuff that features zombies with axes through their brains, or Grim Reapers? I see people in these comments whining about 'pornographic' listings as well--will items with sexual themes be the next target of a moral crusade? Tread carefully, Etsy. I've been a longtime patron of many stores here and I am considering selling my art here too, eventually. I'll be watching to see how this shakes out over the next couple of months to decide whether to come here or go to Artfire to sell. Not everything I make is "nice", and I don't want to be here if this is the sort of place where listings get taken down by mob rule.

  • jilldredge

    jilldredge said 5 years ago

    People who want to express themselves in an offensive way can do it somewhere else. I am proud to be part of etsy today. If we don't stand up for what is right, who will?

  • MikeNYC7

    MikeNYC7 said 5 years ago

    ^or not of^

  • MikeNYC7

    MikeNYC7 said 5 years ago

    ^or not of^

  • MikeNYC7

    MikeNYC7 said 5 years ago

    ^or not of^

  • MikeNYC7

    MikeNYC7 said 5 years ago

    ^or not of^

  • MikeNYC7

    MikeNYC7 said 5 years ago

    ^or not of^

  • art4ear

    art4ear said 5 years ago

    Respect. Thank-you!

  • edenfolwell

    edenfolwell said 5 years ago

    I disagree with this policy. I think we are all adults and should be able to handle off-color items. Why not just place them in a "mature" or "18+" category? Or "crude humor"... I mean, I am enough of an adult to know whether or not I want to buy something crude. I know this policy change is as a direct result of some stupid greeting cards. Are we that afraid of some immature cards that we have to cast such a wide net? As an artist I don't agree with censorship of any kind when it comes to artistic expression. Not all art is pretty. Would you have flagged Guernica because it portrays war in an ugly, brutal way? Many artists use irony to make a point about the absurdity of hatred and intolerance. Who is going to be the person deciding what is art and what is promoting hate? I don't think this is a slippery slope. It's just stepping up onto a soapbox to tell everyone what they can and cannot buy. I'm disappointed in you, etsy.

  • mztracyr

    mztracyr said 5 years ago

    Making fun of rape victims, AIDs patients, Breast Cancer, Downs Syndrome children and their parents goes far beyond some of the petty annoyances being mentioned here. I'm selling elsewhere as Etsy did not care for weeks regarding this. If you are upset over your petty issues, then leave too. But do not compare the above disgusting cards and its shop owner to Halloween items and the like.

  • jvdarcy

    jvdarcy said 5 years ago

    I cannot believe that a site full of adults who should be able to think for themselves cannot understand that, in this case, censorship is the fondest form of flattery. If people seeing the shop in question had simply gone away to another shop and not commented, protested, and escalated the matter to the NATIONAL NEWS LEVEL, perhaps the shop in question would not have sold most of their inventory in one day. I don't think we need a policy change, we need a reality check.

  • MikeNYC7

    MikeNYC7 said 5 years ago

    Sorry, seriously. The forum won't let me delete.

  • edm7

    edm7 said 5 years ago

    I am so thankful for the new policies! Thank you!

  • edm7

    edm7 said 5 years ago

    I am so thankful for the new policies! Thank you!

  • metronomic1

    metronomic1 said 5 years ago

    Censoring an artists mode of expression is a dangerous thing. The ACLU is getting an email.

  • silvervine

    silvervine said 5 years ago

    I am SOOOOO proud of you!!! These kinds of changes and adjustments show a quality of discernment that I am proud to be associated with. Back pats, attaboys and attagirls all the way around!!

  • creeplings

    creeplings said 5 years ago

    While I'm sure your legal department is happy to hear this, I assume it will not mean any actual changes. You do know that copyright infringement is a much bigger problem, right Hello Kitty "fans"?

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    There are currently 381,629 items tagged "Christmas" listed on Etsy. As a pagan, I feel incredibly hurt and demeaned by this. Christmas is a debased, corrupted, ugly version of one of MY holidays, how could I not be offended? Anyway, please remove all offending Christmas items. Your rules, not mine. Thanks, Sadaharu Oh

  • seamstoyou

    seamstoyou said 5 years ago

    Thank you, etsy, for implementing these changes. I was at the point where I was embarrassed to admit I have a shop here, and for a while had even considered leaving. So glad I don't have to do that now. To all the commenters going on about the slippery slope and all that, please remember that the main purpose of this site and all its participants is to sell things. So if potential buyers and crafters are leaving in droves because of one or two really bad sellers, it defeats the original purpose. You can't sell if you have no buyers. In my opinion it is much better therefore to alienate the few offenders and make them go elsewhere than to alienate the thousands who have no problem with the policies and guidelines in place. I am the most open-minded person imaginable, but those cards offeded even me, not an easy feat. And to the person threatening to write to the ACLU: etsy is a private company and it can do with its site what it damn well pleases. Thanks again, etsy! Well done.

  • LeSparklies

    LeSparklies said 5 years ago

    I'm really proud of you guys.

  • jmbray

    jmbray said 5 years ago

    I really hope you know that you are censoring the spirits and minds of artists everywhere. We speak through our art and souls and what have you. I think we're all adults here, but I just might be wrong again. You seemed to also have picked the PERFECT time to reveal these little changes. On a Friday, when everyone is getting off work for the week? You forgot that the artists on here--we work 24/7, especially if we sell on here. We'll see what the onslaught of lawyers that might start swarming on Monday say to you... Messing with censorship is a very delicate matter. If you're going to mute more than half of your user base and cater to those who don't understand the logistics and fluidity of art, you have to think long and hard first. Are you sure you've done that. We'll see... You may think you're doing everyone a favor by removing everything that offends, but who's to even say what's offensive? We're artists, and we're in much greater numbers than you think. We're artists. We might be small, and nobody might not pay any attention to us individually, but together, we are a force to be reckoned with.

  • kotibeth

    kotibeth said 5 years ago

    Thank you!!!

  • itswellgnome

    itswellgnome said 5 years ago

    I'm offended by your new policies. Political correctness and censorship are the true axis of evil. Can I flag your policy for offending me?

  • TheWorstShopEver

    TheWorstShopEver said 5 years ago

    Speaking of which: "If you are selling items that violate the new policies, we ask that you take them down." Does us removing our items include a refund for every item that was not violating TOS before, but IS now?

  • Ebrown2503

    Ebrown2503 said 5 years ago

    Thank you. Great policy change.

  • PalmBeachGlass

    PalmBeachGlass said 5 years ago

    I am surprised so many "artists" here would support this. Sadly, this is in complete violation of the artistic spirit and expression. With rules like this, artists and their work who in their own time were controversial would be kicked off - Picasso, Duchamp, Dali, Robert Mapplethorpe and his homosexual eroticism just to name a few....

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    By the way, your origami cranes are offensive because they are exploiting real cranes and use paper that I find offensive (because it's ugly)

  • wretchmuffin

    wretchmuffin said 5 years ago

    I do not require etsy's protection; my sensibilities are those of a grown woman. I'm sorry to see that this is the exception rather than the rule among etsy's buyers and sellers.

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    There are currently 8,755 items listed with the tag of "Barbie." 8,755 items that use this offensive, horrible, demeaning doll. Barbie dolls promote an unrealistic, unhealthy body image to the young women in this country. I'm not a young girl, but I do have their best interests at heart. Please, no more Barbie crafts. I know you've got a three day weekend coming up, and Tuesday you'll have a lot of e-mails to answer, so I'll give you until Wednesday to remove all 8,755 offending items. I think we can all agree that it's for the best. I mean, Barbie dolls? Have you NO sense of decency? Thanks, Sadaharu Oh

  • swampwaterprimitives

    swampwaterprimitives said 5 years ago

    I'm offended by the resellers that sell "handmade" items that Etsy does absolutly nothing about. I feel this is a much bigger problem then a few stores that sell "offensive" items.

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    I am now giddy with glee that the ban stick is coming out. I honestly need other people to protect my sensibilities from things that might be offensive. I'm obviously not adult enough to make decisions on my own about what to look at or purchase. *eyeroll*

  • sihaya09

    sihaya09 said 5 years ago

    Awesome, Etsy. Good job.

  • sihaya09

    sihaya09 said 5 years ago

    To those who are angered at the "censorship"-- Etsy is a company. They have the right to make policy decisions based on what they see is in line with their company vision. If hatespeech and other forms of discrimination are not a part of that, it is their right to draw that line. They are not censoring your expression. You have every right to sell your items-- elsewhere.

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    ..and we buyers have the right to buy stuff...elsewhere.

  • SignsByDiane

    SignsByDiane said 5 years ago

    Etsy is NOT a democracy. They are the ones who are free to make up the rules for everyone who wants to sell here. For those who don't like this they still have the freedom to leave and sell whatever they want on their own site. Just because we have freedom of speech in this country does not mean one can say whatever they want without consequences. Etsy has had to ask themselves what principles their company stands for and had to make some hard ethical decisions. For those who believe that this is a slippery slope Etsy is dealing with I think there is a BIG difference from being merely offensive (which I see a lot of but that's just my feelings and I can deal with that) vs. being downright dangerously offensive. Yes hate speech can be very dangerous! One only has to look at Hitler and the Nazis to see that huge groups of people were persuaded to act upon that hate.

  • wretchmuffin

    wretchmuffin said 5 years ago

    I agree with tinkerjenn; this policy is a good reason to shop elsewhere . . .and this comment thread provides a useful list of shops to avoid.

  • SignsByDiane

    SignsByDiane said 5 years ago

    Thank You Etsy!

  • TheWorstShopEver

    TheWorstShopEver said 5 years ago

    Godwin's Law is now upon us.

  • SignsByDiane

    SignsByDiane said 5 years ago

    You are absolutely correct TinkerJen and Wretchmuffin to go buy where ever you like. I've had relatives murdered because of hate and I'm happy for the new policy!

  • SignsByDiane

    SignsByDiane said 5 years ago

    I didn't think I was being inappropriate by pointing out that hate can have strong consequences WorstShop

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    Just to knock you off your little high horse... I'm handicapped, suffer from Bi-Polar disorder and have a special needs child. I just happen to have a thick enough skin to ignore things that might be offensive. I don't need to be "protected" by anyone else. Grow up and deal with your own issues...don't cry and whine and force your censorship on other people.

  • Picatrix

    Picatrix said 5 years ago

    Seems to me that Etsy is a craft driven site, not so much for art per se, one of the reasons I've stopped promoting my shop. Didn't see the 'offensive' material, but from the comments, it seems those mostly well pleased with the decision are the crafters (one actually said they were offended by nude portraits and another is offended by keep it weird!) Would be great to have a site integrating the arts with the crafts, but as usual, these worlds collide. Art does and always has reflected society and opinion -- that's what it does and a large part of what makes it valuable, it speaks, and to censor it closes that dialogue. Likewise, each person has a right to their opinions and if s/one doesn't agree that, for example, homosexuality should be 'normalized' does not necessarily equate to hate. I personally don't support demeaning anyone, and to make fun of the handicapped is just stupid, but life isn't all about pretty...let's not go back to the numbness of 50's please.

  • augury

    augury said 5 years ago

    Great step. Next you should ban all "resale" items made in China, or things that aren't handmade or supplies, fake vintage items, or people who think this is that other large online selling platform that starts with an e and ends in a y. Also, was that person joking about first amendment rights? I'm pretty sure the founding fathers weren't too concerned about your constitutional right to sell vagina necklaces on etsy.

  • SignsByDiane

    SignsByDiane said 5 years ago

    If you are referring to me it seems like you are the one who needs to grow up and realize that Etsy is not a public company. As a seller I don't like buyers being turned off and Etsy having a negative reputation. The next problem that Etsy needs to tackle is the serious issue of resellers.

  • PipingHotBacon

    PipingHotBacon said 5 years ago

    Wonderful! I am so glad to hear this! TheHappyCrocheter.etsy.com

  • handmadeink

    handmadeink said 5 years ago

    Life is good, and so is etsy. Thank you!

  • Ukhsud

    Ukhsud said 5 years ago

    If I choose to remove my items from your site because you changed your terms AFTER I'd listed them, will I be refunded the listing cost? I'd really appreciate some kind of answer. Thank you.

  • twiceredonevintage

    twiceredonevintage said 5 years ago

    Another reason to love etsy!!

  • Starbringer

    Starbringer said 5 years ago

    It seems to me that the people who are complaining about the new policy are upset because they can't have their own way and have to conform to the rules. They're upset because they've been told they can't abuse other people any more (mocking is a form of abuse.) They're mad because the majority of society won't sanction their aberrant interests. There is a marked difference between a piece of art that challenges social memes or uses satire to make a statement, and art that exists just to demean, objectify, and exploit a subject or glorify socially aberrant behaviors . All communities and societies must have rules and standards to maintain order and give all citizens a fair chance. And, yes, even artists have to conform and follow rules and standards. Those who don't want to conform are free to go elsewhere or keep to themselves. As a victim of rape, I was highly offended by the "rape cards." Rape should never be the subject of joking or ridicule. I was very surprised that Etsy allowed something like that in the first place. I bet the man who made that card wouldn't think it was so funny if he was raped. Who should decide what is or isn't offensive? We the People, that's who. And the People have spoken on this issue--tens of thousands of people have said that cards mocking rape victims and the disabled are unacceptable, not only in the Etsy community, but in our society. I think MorgainesWell and Mztracyr made some great points!

  • gothicreations

    gothicreations said 5 years ago

    I still would like to know what otherwise demeaning means. would this cover vintage advertisement and items that people today find demeaning?

  • rkdsign88

    rkdsign88 said 5 years ago

    Happy & piece always!

  • westbournegrove

    westbournegrove said 5 years ago

    I'm not one to judge what is considered art but I think we all have a conscience ( or should ) of what is right from wrong. Bravo Etsy, some of these people confuse the issues for their own purposes but I, for one, stand beside you in this new policy that deals with basic human dignity.

  • JustForTheShellOfIt

    JustForTheShellOfIt said 5 years ago

    Looks to me like the "Ayes" have it! Those opposed to the policy changes are WAY OUTNUMBERED by those who agree with it, speaking democratically. However, since Etsy is a private company, they can set forth and enforce whatever policies they wish. As for myself, I totally agree with the change...I'm rather sick of all of the raunchiness and rudeness in day to day society, I don't think Etsy needs that kind of crap on their site.

  • vintagerindy

    vintagerindy said 5 years ago

    It's sad that there has to be a policy and that it has to be said. It seems to be such a "duh!" thing to me. I am sure there might be a few gray areas that I haven't thought about yet but we'll cross that bridge... I am glad I haven't seen these offensive things yet. We have such a great community that has always been positive and supportive. Yay Etsy!

  • hfinallyquiet

    hfinallyquiet said 5 years ago

    Tinkerjenn, just who protects and advocates for your special needs child? Does he/she also have thick enough skinto protect from ridicule? I have a child with Down syndrome and while the cards offended me personally, I didn't fight them because of that. I fought them because not too long ago, children with Down syndrome were viewed as nothing...a waste of air. They were put in institutions, not taught, and not given very many rights. A lot of progress has been made, but I, for one, want to make sure that my son is always treated as a human being. NOT the butt of a societal joke! I know that I cannot change every person's mind, but my son is worth every battle....not matter how big or small. If the societal norm is to demean, disrepect, and dehumanize people with Down syndrome, it is not a far stretch to less rights for them, less funding for research and programs, less inclusion in schools, and no tolerance. Is that the kind of world you want to live in? Or have your child live in? So no, it isn't just a matter of thick or thin skin. It is about being an advocate for those that can't always advocate for themselves. And don't even get me started on the rape and breast cancer cards!

  • dalesdreams

    dalesdreams said 5 years ago

    I had no idea that pot and hardcore porn were available on etsy. So the search function does work, I've never seen any of it. ;) All kidding aside, I realise that a lot of artists fear this might violate their rights to self expresion, I hear that. Hopefully, etsy will handle this with an even hand. Slippery slope, no I don't think so. I think there are artist's that are trying to make a statement and some people wanting to make a fast buck. There's a big difference.

  • potblackettle

    potblackettle said 5 years ago

    My feeling is that we are all adults and can decide whether something is appropriate to purchase or not. Where do you draw the line? Everything out there will offend someone. I think time would be better spent protecting buyers from less than reputable sellers and preventing people from selling mass produced goods as handmade items. But hey, it's your site, you can make any rule you like. And I'm not going to boycott or anything. I just feel like adults should be allowed to make purchasing decisions for themselves.

  • admiredhistory

    admiredhistory said 5 years ago

    wrapcycle says: Not sure the first amendment supports these policy changes. I don't promote hatred or violence, and I don't support those who do, but I support their right to express themselves however abhorrent I find that expression. It's a slippery slope, Etsy. ___ I don't disagree with you, I don't have a problem with the sellers of certain items, nor do I oppose Etsy using their free enterprise rights and choosing what is best for their business. All is well in Etsy Land.

  • AstarteWeb

    AstarteWeb said 5 years ago

    I'm in agreement with the decision made by ETSY to change their policies. I found the cards more than offensive and ETSY isn't just used by Americans: I'm an English ETSY member.

  • UglyBaby

    UglyBaby said 5 years ago

    This is a really difficult issue. I acknowledge that. I do think it's import to make a distinction between people who hate - and people who are mocking people who hate. Sarah Silverman, a comedian famous for making what could be - to the casual observer - racist remarks - is actually mocking the people who hold those racist beliefs. Would she be banned from Etsy? I hope there is room for humor in your new rules Etsy. I grant you - not everyone has the same sense of humor - but that doesn't mean that people who like things on the dark side are all filled with hate. It just means we don't all have the same sense of humor. There are lots of things on Etsy that I don't particularly care for. It's not my taste. I wouldn't wear it or buy it. That's okay. I don't need to like everything and I don't consider it a personal slight that someone is selling those things. I just go on about my day and don't try to tell others what they should like.

  • LunarSkiesJewelry

    LunarSkiesJewelry said 5 years ago

    Good decision. There's enough hate other places!

  • HollyRidgeCreations

    HollyRidgeCreations said 5 years ago

    Thank you, Etsy. Your decision to make these changes is really, really appreciated.

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    There are currently 2,027 items listed with the "bacon" tag. As a vegan, I can't even begin to tell you how this makes me feel. This is unconscionable. Please remove all 2,027 IMMEDIATELY. Thanks, Sadaharu Oh

  • artbytrudy

    artbytrudy said 5 years ago

    I've never been a shock artist...no surprise that I would thank Etsy.. I do agree that it is vague..and that it would have to be done on a shop by shop basis.

  • randmdavidson

    randmdavidson said 5 years ago

    Fantastic news. Remember, Americans, that the rest of us don't live in America. ETSY is an international site and while Americans might tolerate certain abhorrent things because of the all important 'first amendment', it does not mean the rest of the world has to.

  • SewStorm

    SewStorm said 5 years ago

    Thank you etsy! Thank you so much!

  • pinkpoison74

    pinkpoison74 said 5 years ago

    Super vague on the new policy. I also DISAGREE with the new policy, I believe every artist should be able to express their feelings and emotions in their art. I learned in art school the theory , "What is art?" and it is anything you want it to be. If you dont like it or get offended by it DONT LOOK AT IT! I personally believe that was the whole reason for putting MATURE in the title for people that do get offended by that stuff so they dont have to look at it. But then again, Etsy can make whatever rules they want. Good luck having to go through all those shops and taking down all those listings. And as far as the references of people saying there sick of looking at porn? Are people not allowed to draw nude pictures or paintings anymore? I mean C'mon. Im definitely dissapointed in Etsy.

  • potblackettle

    potblackettle said 5 years ago

    Rand, Etsy is an American company that has international users. The office is located in the U.S. The CEO's are American. The servers are in America (in D.C. I believe but I might be wrong). It follows the laws of the U.S. Also, countries other than America have laws protecting the right to free speech and expression. I find it a bit disturbing that so many adults feel that they (and others) need to be told what kind of art is okay. If you find something offensive, the best way to send that message is by NOT purchasing said item. Send the message with your wallet. I don't think it's unreasonable that people are a bit upset with the incredible vagueness of the new rule. As someone earlier pointed out, the Boy Scouts of America promote discrimination against homosexuals and atheists. Does that mean everything BSA related will be banned? As an atheist I find it demeaning (however, I would NEVER say people shouldn't be able to purchase BSA merchandise if they chose to).

  • dangerpeach

    dangerpeach said 5 years ago

    How will Etsy decide what is palatable and what isn't? Not everyone is moved to make and or buy happy shiny items all the time. Sometimes I make things that are light hearted and sometimes I use humor in my work to deal with difficult subject matter and it doesn't mean I promote hate or whatever else is being deemed inappropriate. What bothers me here is that so many of you keep saying that this is the "right" thing as if its a fact and not an opinion. I would prefer not to be told what is right for me and what isn't. And to say there is nothing funny about whatever it is you have a hard time finding something funny about is also an opinion, not a fact. It is essential for me personally to find the humor in things even when they are hard or icky or scary. It's how I cope and I am not alone in that. Both of my parents died form Cancer. Is cancer itself funny? I don't think so. But is there be a way to make fun of it to lighten the pain of it a bit? I believe there is. But guess what, thats just my opinion.

  • circleinthesand

    circleinthesand said 5 years ago

    Thank You Adminstration!!! :)

  • pinkpoison74

    pinkpoison74 said 5 years ago

    Im glad to see im not the only one upset about this. We are artists, we express ourselves in our art and its not always pretty but neither is life. I agree with potblackettle if you find it offensive dont buy it, and as I said dont look at it. This is really upsetting as an artist. There all all different kinds of people and artist with different beliefs and we should ALL be able to express/sell on ETsy. Thats what makes Etsy such an awesome place is because it is for EVERYBODY!!! Not saying I am because Im not, but if I were a devil worshipper should I get all my devil worshippers to try to ban the God Worshippers ( <----- excuse my spelling) art from Etsy no its not fair. I am very open-minded to all kinds of art and dont dislike someones art or try to get it banned from Etsy because of their beliefs its wrong, so everyone saying they think Etsy is doing the right thing take a step back and think about what your saying, WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE OTHER PEOPLES ART! Dang, im really mad!!!

  • pinkpoison74

    pinkpoison74 said 5 years ago

    WOW! AFTER READING ALL THESE COMMENTS YOU HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY STIRRED UP AND PISSED OFF ON HERE IM NOT THE ONLY ONE, BAD MOVE ETSY!

  • ACuppaJewels

    ACuppaJewels said 5 years ago

    Thank You Etsy!!!

  • dragonhouseofyuen

    dragonhouseofyuen said 5 years ago

    thanks Adam. there are plenty of places online where people can find degrading content should they look for it, and it's right that etsy is not one of those places.

  • pinkpoison74

    pinkpoison74 said 5 years ago

    dragonhouse, what you find degrading someone else might find beautiful who is to judge that? Art is very broad and what you find funny someone else might feel offnded. People dont realize if etsy adheres to this policy etsy as a whole will eventually be shut down. They could even have a lawsuit over this, not smart.

  • RocknRocks

    RocknRocks said 5 years ago

    thank you!.....

  • Rabbithollowprims

    Rabbithollowprims said 5 years ago

    In my opinion, there is art that pushes the boundries then there is a place where you go too far over the line. This is one of those instances. The new policy is in fact great and needed but the shop in question only had the 2 cards pulled and they are still selling cards which some would deem offensive. The sad part is until the petition was signed with 25,000 signatures and the CNN coverage this shop received, Etsy was not going to do anything about it; how do I know this? Look at the feedback for the shoppe, the first purchase was from an Etsy admin! This means they saw nothing wrong with the shop and what it sold to be purchasing from them. Don't get me wrong I love Etsy and the community here but sometimes things are not better left unsaid. As for this quote dragonhouse, what you find degrading someone else might find beautiful who is to judge that? We the people are to judge that. Isn't that what a democracy is all about? If 25,000 people find this offensive and signed a petition, the CNN coverage was really bad also, why would you want this type of coverage? Do you not realize that the coverage is not just on that shop but Etsy as a whole? I personally do not want someone associating my shoppe with that one and say oh yeah she sells on Etsy and that is where that shop was that sold this.

  • wheeware

    wheeware said 5 years ago

    I might or might have been offended, but I never saw those items, because the search does not work!

  • LCK1964

    LCK1964 said 5 years ago

    Thank you. As a mom of a boy with Down syndrome, I say Thank You Etsy! For our family, this issue was never about censorship -- it has always been about tolerance and acceptance for our son as he is. So many thanks from our family.

  • PetitPlat

    PetitPlat said 5 years ago

    well, well, I wonder how this will go. Black humor, british humor and humor against religion seems to be impossible now. The new policies are very vague and I really wonder who will decide what's allowed and what's not. And what does "pornography" mean? Many famous painters make nudes, is that prohibited now as well? I'm too liberal to like that decision.

  • SunflowerSeeds2009

    SunflowerSeeds2009 said 5 years ago

    Thank you, Etsy! As a parent of a child with a disability and a shop owner here at Etsy, I struggled with which course of action to take. Many other parents were advocating the boycott of Etsy, and urging those of us with shops to shut them down. I did not want to do that, but I must also support my daughter and others like her. I am thrilled that I no longer need to make a choice.

  • SHABBYTHINGSBYME

    SHABBYTHINGSBYME said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy, I was really vocal about this whole situation, I have a son with Down's, another that has Aspergers, and even one that's Gay, so some of the Garbage i was seeing on Etsy really made my blood boil. I am not a prude, and just live my life and what ever is thrown my way, but i was furious at the crap that was surfacing, and said so loud and clear on my facebook page. I had better go and ammend some of the posts i put on there, and also say...Bloody good job Etsy.

  • Marleyart

    Marleyart said 5 years ago

    Thank you for taking a stand. Too often we allow things that we personally find offensive or uncomfortable because we are afraid to speak up. Bravo to you Etsy for rising above the fray.

  • stellaloella Admin

    stellaloella said 5 years ago

    I see several people commenting on the policy as if it bans all items that are "offensive." I just want to point out that word does not appear in the policy, nor in Adam's post about the policy. The policy is not about what personally "offends" anyone, but rather, it's about preserving the spirit of Etsy as one of respect for all people in our diverse community. And, I think it's worthwhile to repeat a follow-up comment from Adam: "We care deeply about artistic expression. Most of us at Etsy are artists or artisans of one kind or another. We also care about about our marketplace being an environment that values tolerance and respect. We are trying to find that balance in these policy changes. "We will have to make judgment calls with this policy. Please know that we will take every decision around this seriously and with care. Very few items are affected by this policy and for those that are, we will do our best to make the right call and to work with artists and artisans who have concerns or questions." Thank you all for your thoughtful comments so far, and for keeping this discussion respectful.

  • SweetwaterCloth

    SweetwaterCloth said 5 years ago

    Thank You for responding to your buyers and sellers! Obviously some of the people saying this is a 'slippery slope' didn't see the shops in question that many of us reported.

  • lilynymph

    lilynymph said 5 years ago

    I love all this talk about "tolerance" and "acceptance" because while I think Etsy totally has a right to do whatever it wants, no one is being particularly "tolerant" to those that have a very bad sense of humour. I "accept" those that make things in bad taste. I think there are a lot bigger problems on Etsy that we should be focusing on, like RESELLERS. To all those that threaten to close up their shops because they are offended by this-n-that, please go back to your Happy Land and leave the marketplace open and free for the rest of us. If I see something I don't like, I click away from it. End of story. The public lashing that the sellers in question recieved were WAY uncalled for and disgraceful. If this forum is not a place for hate, well I am reading a lot of hate in the comments above me (not all of them...we all have differnet opinions and that's OK! And that is my point!). What I HATE is people who don't know how to deal with things that offend them. Just don't look!!!!! Remember the Simpson's episode where the giant mascots come to life and the only way they could stop them is "just don't look"? Well i think it applies here. All the flagging in the world isn't going to stop you from being offended.

  • potblackettle

    potblackettle said 5 years ago

    But the policy is soooooo vague that any one who finds anything offensive could try to have it removed. If nothing else Etsy needs to take a serious look at rewording the policy to make it far clearer. I don't know any other way to say it. I am a grown up. I know how to express my opinions for myself and I know how to stand up to things I find disgusting and degrading. I may not agree with the things people choose to say (I'm a school teacher, I find the thought of making fun of disabled children disgusting and vile) but censorship is such a slippery slope. And as for the "judgment calls"... who makes those judgments? I say one more time, I am intelligent. I am educated. I am thoughtful and rational. I can make my own judgment calls and I am more than capable of boycotting something I find offensive or stating that I think someone is wrong. I envision the admin of Etsy being inundated with requests to remove listings with "bacon" (offensive to animal rights activists), religion (offensive to those of another religion), atheism (offensive to pretty much everyone) or any other hot button issue. I still love Etsy because I love handmade items and I love the interesting, whacky and sometimes bizarre things I can get on the site. But I can't think this is a wise move.

  • LivingSimplyByDesign

    LivingSimplyByDesign said 5 years ago

    I am very glad to hear this! Etsy should be a place to share wonderful creations and treasures made with love and creativity... It sure should not be a place to spread hate! Kudos to Etsy for taking a stand on this important issue!

  • valeriephoto

    valeriephoto said 5 years ago

    Bravo!

  • newhopebeading

    newhopebeading said 5 years ago

    As the mother of a special needs child... thank you!

  • cutelilbug

    cutelilbug said 5 years ago

    Yay censorship! Fuck you.

  • jamietats

    jamietats said 5 years ago

    Just as shop owners should have a right to decide what their store carries, Etsy has a right to decide what can be included on their site. You have a "right" to sell through Esty or sell elsewhere. You have a "right" to shop here or shop elsewhere. Fortunately, Etsy has the right to target their customers in the way that makes the most sense to them. If all they allowed were hearts and love - that would be their choice.

  • SNIP

    SNIP said 5 years ago

    How is this censorship? The government did nothing here. Etsy isn't under order from the US Supreme Court to impose this policy. There is no pervasive internet censorship involved. The seller is free to make and sell elsewhere, online or off, at any venue that chooses to allow it. The government hasn't confiscated anyone's glue gun. I don't know why anyone is bringing censorship or the first amendment into this. Neither apply here. The government has dictated nothing. The first amemdment gives Americans the freedom to critize the government, protest and picket against the government and desecrate the flag. It gives the media the freedom to write about what government is doing, good or bad. Learn the Constitution, and if you are a teacher, teach it. Because what Etsy did was nothing more than make a choice, and I think it was a good one.

  • OneClayBead

    OneClayBead said 5 years ago

    I support this decision. I understand and agree fully with the desire to stop branding Etsy as the place where rape victims and special needs kids are demeaned. I hope Etsy gets as much press for banning that stuff as it got for allowing it in the first place.

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    I hope you realize that you have just made it possible for people to pick anything, truly offensive or not, and get their social networks to flag the hell out of it just to be obnoxious. Or, someone may have some sort of grudge with a particular seller of handmade socks (for example). They can get every person they know on Etsy, Facebook and Twitter to flag that person screaming that it's hateful towards people without feet. Etsy will have no choice according to their own vague policy but to remove that seller's socks. I bet they wouldn't even refund the listing fees (lawsuit waiting to happen). It's a ridiculously vague policy. Who are you to judge what is offensive and what isn't?

  • effulgentjfish

    effulgentjfish said 5 years ago

    For those in the comments now calling for the removal of 'porn' I have to completely disagree on that one. Just because it conatins nudity or expressions of sexuality, doesn't make it porn. Likewise, you might be looking at porn all the time and not realize it because it doesn't look sexual to you, and doesn't have nudity. The term 'porn' is completely subjective. I also want to say lilynymph, thank-you for that post, you expressed it very well. Resellers have already been mentioned by a few people, but it is a really big problem.

  • ThePurpleHippo

    ThePurpleHippo said 5 years ago

    Yes, Etsy has the right to do whatever they want as a private company. And I have the right to move elsewhere. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't discuss it. I mean, it's my business on here! And I like selling on here and I get a lot of good exposure! As for those with special needs children, I hate to say this but welcome to the real world. I don't see how one or two shops, independently run, really affects your usage of Etsy. I saw the shops in question now. And they are stupid...and in poor taste...and not funny. But that's people for you! Instead of removing the "hate", why not try to spread the love? As I mentioned before, I work with the LGBT community. My boyfriend works with special needs people. And you can't let every little bad humored remark get to you like this when there are so many other real issues affecting these communities. The bigger issue on Etsy? Resellers!!! They are an insult to every artist on here! Yet, Etsy doesn't seem to be doing much about them. From what I can tell, these other stores were selling handmade goods, albeit offensive ones. Resellers are doing a lot more to tarnish the reputation of a handmade site and hurt the artists with their low prices.

  • HauteIceBeadwork

    HauteIceBeadwork said 5 years ago

    Thank you.

  • blackmarkettrades

    blackmarkettrades said 5 years ago

    Thank You much Etsy! I will be staying as well!

  • rydengorey

    rydengorey said 5 years ago

    I'm dying here. You're too vague with what's offensive and what's not. Oh noez!!!1 Someone's uncomfortable! So what if someone gets offended about something that mocks religion, government, atheism, etc? Are you just going to take those down? Where do you draw the line? Basically, you guys are a growing company and now you're worried you'll look bad because you got some bad press over some items *cough cough greeting cards cough*. Funny how this wasn't an issue before you ended up on the news. Stop getting offended by everything. Are you the same people who enjoy free speech? Or does that only fly when people are saying something you agree with? Fucking ridiculous. Not that Etsy cares at all since it's just a business looking out for its profits. Actually, I don't even know why I'm getting upset. Etsy is the fucking worst as taking items down that violate their terms. I don't know how many times I've flagged re sellers with brand new items they claim are vintage (I even added links to ebay auctions with the same item listed as new for proof) and Etsy did NOTHING. But I guess re sellers aren't going to get you on the news. Wow you guys suck.

  • hfinallyquiet

    hfinallyquiet said 5 years ago

    @ThePurpleHippo, I fight big and small issues for my child with special needs. You are right, it is the real world that people disrepect those that are different. That doesn't mean that I will sit around my house and do nothing about it. I am fighting to make the world a better place for my child. But it seems like people think I should let him and his diagnosis be the butt of jokes by ignorant people just because someone else might think I'm responding to too small of an issue. That wouldn't make me a very good mom or advocate, would it? In honor of the great Martin Luther King Jr.: “The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people.”

  • MousePants

    MousePants said 5 years ago

    As a Survivor I thank you. I feel like I just got my first hug from Etsy. Humor is one thing. Mockery is another.

  • agardenofweedin

    agardenofweedin said 5 years ago

    The only 2 ways to effect real change in the world is with your wallet and your vote. I'm just saying. But I agree- Resellers selling as handmade is overwhelming. There are resell items I buy to sell at my brick and mortar and I see the same items on Etsy for sell as handmade. Shame- Shame. Not even trying to rework or disguise- that's the same as lying or cheating. And that's just wrong.

  • LinCaninoDesigns

    LinCaninoDesigns said 5 years ago

    Thank you for changing your policy!!!!!!!

  • dragonclaw

    dragonclaw said 5 years ago

    Thank you for recognizing this issue and putting forth a fix.

  • ourhometoyours

    ourhometoyours said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy!!!! I have put a lot of work in my shop and I am proud to be a part of this site. I have read thru ALL of these comments, and brain numbing as that was, I feel the need to share my 2 cents. There is a difference between art and porn. As an artist and crafter, I am offended by other artists that "talk down" to others that don't agree that their art is not just porn. People need to use common sense in all their choices. You can't stand behind the title of artist to mock, ridicule, and hurt others. There is no slippery slope here, just the majority of sellers appreciative of Etsy's choice. If your work is pulled for bad taste, then sell somewhere else. I am glad to be a part of a site that listens to the majority of sellers. I hear so much complaining of Etsy, and all I have to say is, if you don't like it here, start your own site. And for the foolish comments that are being made, grow up. Thank you Etsy!!!

  • gingermoontraders

    gingermoontraders said 5 years ago

    BRAVO!!!

  • jamietats

    jamietats said 5 years ago

    Etsy needed to decide which customers it wanted. It could be a financial decision - or a moral decision. It appears to be both, since opinion strongly supports the new policy. I agree and choose to patronize stores and sites that maintain wholesome standards - and to avoid those that do not. Well done, Etsy.

  • cathleen28

    cathleen28 said 5 years ago

    Great decision, Etsy. Thank you!!

  • therodeorose

    therodeorose said 5 years ago

    It is unfair to exploit the afflictions of other, they are in enough pain to begin with. That card shop should nave never been allowed to sell their filth in the first place...

  • LynnesThisandThat

    LynnesThisandThat said 5 years ago

    Kudos! Nice to see the change, even though I ordinarily disagree with any form of censorship, there are those that need to be limited for the lack of being tasteful. Thank you.

  • weaverwood

    weaverwood said 5 years ago

    keep up the good work, Etsy

  • TinfenaStudio

    TinfenaStudio said 5 years ago

    So many things are allowed to remain because of whatever amendment or laws and they hurt people and we know they're wrong and the lawyers are there to cash in... congratulations for standing up for what's fair, you're doing the right thing!

  • lilywhitepad

    lilywhitepad said 5 years ago

    Very good, admin, to understand that judgment calls may be necessary. While I agree with the policy, I hope satire and parody will be allowed as part of an art community.

  • minardmum

    minardmum said 5 years ago

    Hi, I don't yet have an etsy page, but I have been planning on getting one. After your revised policies, I am most definitely going to start a page as soon as I can. I want to know that I support your stand to have a descent and unbiased site, and to continue to keep inappropriate material out of your site. I support freedom of speech, but the motives of someone who just wants to start trouble i think are a little questionable anyway. Anyone who wants to press their views on someone, has a secondary agenda anyway as far as i am concerned. I don't wanna sound too conservative, but what the heck. I am. Thanks Adam. You're doing a good job dealing with these issues.

  • iknitandbead

    iknitandbead said 5 years ago

    Thank you, Etsy! I appreciate the fact that you are trying to make a site that is conducive to creating but not hate.

  • craftymcgee

    craftymcgee said 5 years ago

    "We will have to make judgment calls with this policy. Please know that we will take every decision around this seriously and with care." Thanks admins for responding, but my fear is that the loudest and the thinnest-skinned will end up driving those "judgement calls", just like they do in my real-world community. And dangerpeach - I'm with you on using dark humor and a little "unpleasantness" to cope with life. If I let everything I found upsetting drive my reactions, I'd be in a constant world of pain. Of course etsy as a business has every right to make the policies they see fit - I just think that this one needs to be severely tightened up.

  • TheWishingWardrobe

    TheWishingWardrobe said 5 years ago

    Thank you!

  • MSMCreations

    MSMCreations said 5 years ago

    There is no art or humor in spreading degenerative pain or hatred in the community you are striving to uphold. Thank you for revisiting your policies and acting accordingly.

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    Did you know that there are currently 635 items with the tag "b**ch" on Etsy? 984 with the word "pu**y." And even 65 with the dreaded "c-word." This is completely unacceptable. This language demeans women. There is no other way to look at it. I'm not a woman, but I am looking out for them. I know they don't want to log onto a website that promotes hate speech, and these terms are indisputably hate-driven. Please remove the offending items and let us all move on with our lives. I am completely against censorship in all forms, but sometimes you have to take a stand. The First Amendment is not a suicide pact. I expect these 1,684 items to be gone ASAP, along with all the other items I mentioned. Hmmmm, you might have to raise the listing price to compensate for all these lost items. Maybe raise it from .20 to something more cost-effective, like $50. Thanks so much. Keep fighting the good fight. Sadaharu Oh

  • mztracyr

    mztracyr said 5 years ago

    If those of you that think making fun of rape, children with Downs and their parents, people contracting AIDS, being diagnosed with cancer is art, then you must not well in the art field. These card were not art in any way shape or form. They were made to degrade others and promote hate. Those of you comparing beef to a vegan, and not wanting religious items as you are agnostic, need to seriously rethink or go away. Bottom line here with those of you who find that type art/trash okay... 'I refuse to have a battle of wits with unarmed people!' I hope you never have to deal with those issues, then see how you like it!

  • camilita

    camilita said 5 years ago

    I'm so happy to know that Etsy is doing something about this offensive items. I have encounter in the past 3 or 4 postings that were out of line, some even scary. I've always been proud to be part of the Etsy community, and I feel even more so now. Thanks you ! :0)

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    So, if some people's views are different than your they need to "go away" or seriously rethink? How INTOLERANT and HATEFUL (not to mention closed minded and petty) you are being.

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    73 items are listed with the term "wife beater" and nobody's doing about it. How can you possibly allow such trash to exist. What an offense, demeaning term. I've never beaten a woman, but I've counseled victims of domestic abuse, and the term "wife beater" is just incredibly insensitive. There's no room for it in an artistic community. No slippery slope here. Please remove all 73 items. I have Gloria Steinem in my Rolodex. You don't want to hear what she has to say about this. Thanks Sadaharu Oh

  • LVehko

    LVehko said 5 years ago

    thanks, etsy, for doing the Right Thing.

  • onionbagel

    onionbagel said 5 years ago

    Thanks to Etsy for making the world a little less painful. This policy is a good start. There was a comment about 4 hours ago where somebody who objects to this policy used the words I, me, and myself a total of 23 times. In one post. I think that says a lot.

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    122 listings for "pornography." Pornography is disrespectful to women. It demeans them. That's 122 items that now have to go away. Thanks Sadaharu Oh

  • ArleenDesign

    ArleenDesign said 5 years ago

    Thank you for the insight and hope etsy will remain a wonderful community!

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    I didn't realize that we needed to have an online utopian society in order to be "right." I'm SO glad I have people to make decisions about what I should see and not see for me.

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    There are 1,028 items with the word "Feminist" in titles or descriptions. This is disparaging and hateful towards males. Men use this site too, and to continue to list these items is an affront to them. Please remove all 1,028 of these items. I'm sure you won't mind since you get to keep the listing fees, but these items have to go. Thank you.

  • Keikeaux

    Keikeaux said 5 years ago

    I appreciate the effort Etsy is making to address an issue that has been present for some time. I look forward to seeing real action behind the new policies. I also hope that Etsy Admin will be open and responsive to the voice of the Etsy community when addressing individual situations. Many clearly offensive terms are not widely known -but still must be addressed properly.

  • drainbowland

    drainbowland said 5 years ago

    youstupidbitch is still one of my favorites.

  • phyzzy

    phyzzy said 5 years ago

    Thanks so much. It made me feel sick to think that some people still cannot tell the difference between humor that is naughty and just being plain nasty, we don't need to encourage these sad individuals. You did the right thing.

  • EcoOdd

    EcoOdd said 5 years ago

    I am flagging so much offensive stuff! It will be my new morning routine, so get ready!

  • onionbagel

    onionbagel said 5 years ago

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder Any takers?

  • EcoOdd

    EcoOdd said 5 years ago

    hahaha onionbagel- that is how we got here to begin with

  • onionbagel

    onionbagel said 5 years ago

    I apologize -- I didn't know you had already been diagnosed.

  • EcoOdd

    EcoOdd said 5 years ago

    meow meow

  • gulliver62

    gulliver62 said 5 years ago

    Well... A "community" is a place comprised of the folks within it, and not just the folks that some feel should be in it. I doubt that I fit the targeted audience for this site, yet I'm here, with my little knapsack of beliefs and ideals. I've often felt my boundaries pushed quite a lot, and when they got pushed too far, I turned away. As many of you have said, what offends one person may be the very breath of life for another. And as have many of you, I've lived through a boatload of horrific and painful experiences, and will continue to do so. That doesn't mean I preclude anything that touches those experiences, whether it's humorous or ugly to me. At each viewing, I'll look until I decide not to. Sometimes I will learn something new, sometimes not. There is so much new that I've seen on Etsy, things I couldn't have imagined had I not looked at them. There are also some things that I'd have liked to burn off my retinas, but that was my choice, to look. And for all that, I am really grateful, because it has expanded my world. To paraphrase someone much wiser, here is what I know for sure: I can't change what someone else thinks or says or does. I can only change how I react to it, and that's a daily challenge for me. I would be much happier with Etsy and its policies if they would do target the following: 1. sellers/buyers who don't honor their financial agreements; 2. resellers; 3. "designers" who are really resellers; 4. vintage that isn't vintage. Thanks for the opportunity to share.

  • swampwaterprimitives

    swampwaterprimitives said 5 years ago

    I agree with rydengorey. The only reason this issue has come up is because of the bad press of ONE seller. Yet the countless RESELLERS on Etsy are still in business, and they are blantanly breaking policies. But then again, Etsy is making money off of them so who cares?

  • HighDesertRose

    HighDesertRose said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy for doing the right thing in revising your policies. On behalf of those within my own family who have suffered violation in one or more of those categories which you have now addressed as not being in the spirit of Etsy I applaud you. Thank you. Liberty of thought and expression does not come without responsibility to the community from which one derives both audience and profit.

  • AwakenJournaling

    AwakenJournaling said 5 years ago

    So, who gets to decide what is and isn't "hateful"? If you are going to be so vague with your wording, anything can be seen as offensive or "hateful". What about all our sellers that sell snarky items, cards, and t-shirts? What about antique items or old books that use phrases or depictions no longer politically correct? What about those that sell items promoting a certain religion-- could those be seen as being insensitive toward other religions? Did anyone see Regretsy's response to this? Although they are joking, this type of thing is bound to happen: "Do your part! Start flagging anything related to feminism (anti-male), menstruation (cisgendered), sports (ableist), the American flag (nationalistic), Christmas (anti-semitic), dogs (offensive to muslims), bacon demeaning to vegans), Obama (anti-gay marriage) and "Twilight" (just because it sucks)." - Regretsy

  • VerySage

    VerySage said 5 years ago

    It will be interesting to see how this develops over time. While I applaud Etsy for taking the time to review and change its policies in response to community input, I am concerned about the actual implementation of the new policies. True, most of these categories will not engender too much debate. We all know that language is powerful and that words and images may incite unwanted and unintended results. However, a word that is considered demeaning by one person may be empowering to another. Cultural groups frequently reclaim words and appropriate images as a form of activism. I'm concerned that Etsy's new terms of use could put a chilling effect on potentially important and valuable speech. Who will be policing postings, and deciding what is "safe" for us to see? Furthermore, perceived hate speech on Etsy seems like a drop in the bucket compared with other problems that are causing considerably more harm -- like resellers, for example. Maybe the administrators can address that issue next.

  • AwakenJournaling

    AwakenJournaling said 5 years ago

    How about doing something about resellers? I'm more worried about my business competing with Chinese factories than I am about my feelings getting hurt. I'm also really worried about people abusing this system. Exactly how "hateful" does something have to be? Can someone just tag things they personally find offensive or dislike? I would really love it if you could provide us with some EXAMPLES of items/shops you've removed due to this new policy.

  • Viverre

    Viverre said 5 years ago

    Sounds good to me. :)

  • lovedeath

    lovedeath said 5 years ago

    I honestly don't understand the big hoopla over that shop. The only thing it did was boost their sales and their item views...good job CNN!! I have a mother who died of breast cancer, a cousin who died of AIDS, and a brother who died of a heroin overdose. These events are not funny at all, but making sarcastic humor about them isn't a big deal to me. It seems that people are all too ready to grab their pitchforks and torches and stand on their soapboxes to shove their morality and beliefs down our throats. Give me a break.

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    The best thing about these new rules is that FINALLY somebody is going to me what art and humor REALLY are. I used to try using my own judgment, but obviously I don't have the qualifications. Now, thank the Goddess, someone at Etsy is making all the decisions for me. I'm so grateful. I don't have to do the heavy lifting. "I don't know art but I know what I like?" Screw that. I don't even have to know what I like anymore. Etsy's there to pick up the slack. They can tell me whether something's worth my while, or funny. I was never sure where the line was drawn in terms of offensive content. But now we have it all in black and white. I love seeing artistic expression reduced to simple rules and theorems. It's much more convenient now. Thank you for saving me from me. Sadaharu Oh

  • SusanFaye

    SusanFaye said 5 years ago

    Big thumbs up from me. As a private organization, Etsy gets to set whatever policies they like and set whatever tone they like. Artists who want to exercise their right to "free speech" are free to go elsewhere. I personally don't want my work being sold next to anything that belittles or degrades another human being. Thanks Etsy!

  • fetishforethics

    fetishforethics said 5 years ago

    This is pretty disappointing. When I received a change.org email about this seller, I was desperately hoping that etsy would stand their ground and allow sellers to express their talents (and rights) in the way that they choose. I imagine someone might easily find my Zombie Nativity Set "hateful" to the Christian religion and insist that they be removed from the site. Etsy has always been a wonderful site to find new, creative, thought-proving, or irreverent items; it's too bad that it had to be strong armed into censoring some of their sellers. Etsy is a wonderful site. They certainly have the right to do whatever they want with it. I was just (selfishly) hoping for a different outcome.

  • catrpilrgirl

    catrpilrgirl said 5 years ago

    SusanFaye, I suffer from a debilitating condition called Ailurophobia. I feel your shop belittles my condition. It will be flagged.

  • fetishforethics

    fetishforethics said 5 years ago

    Also, I hope the whole "listing that promotes illegal activity" censorship does not do away with that wonderful catnip joint cat toy! That is too cute.

  • theatreofdreams

    theatreofdreams said 5 years ago

    Yay for Etsy! This is wonderful. I have recently become a caregiver for a little lady with Alzheimer's Disease. This has made me very aware of how often people who are elderly and/or have Alzheimer's are mocked. We all need to view our world with more compassion. Thank you Etsy!!!

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    Your intolerance is horribly demeaning to me.

  • VintageEmbellishment

    VintageEmbellishment said 5 years ago

    "including items or content that promote organizations with such views" I suspect this will be very arbitrary by Etsy admin.

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    It will be arbitrary only in who can whine and cry the loudest.

  • flourishlifestyle

    flourishlifestyle said 5 years ago

    Awesome. If there are sellers out there who don't like it, they can go sell on the "we just want to be mean to anyone who is different from ourselves" site. :)

  • lovedeath

    lovedeath said 5 years ago

    that's also called intolerance and ignorance

  • GrimmsWhimsy

    GrimmsWhimsy said 5 years ago

    THANK YOU for listening!!!

  • hfinallyquiet

    hfinallyquiet said 5 years ago

    @ Tinkerjenn, just who protects and advocates for your special needs child? Does he/she also have thick enough skinto protect from ridicule? I have a child with Down syndrome and while the cards offended me personally, I didn't fight them because of that. I fought them because not too long ago, children with Down syndrome were viewed as nothing...a waste of air. They were put in institutions, not taught, and not given very many rights. A lot of progress has been made, but I, for one, want to make sure that my son is always treated as a human being. NOT the butt of a societal joke! I know that I cannot change every person's mind, but my son is worth every battle....not matter how big or small. If the societal norm is to demean, disrepect, and dehumanize people with Down syndrome, it is not a far stretch to less rights for them, less funding for research and programs, less inclusion in schools, and no tolerance. Is that the kind of world you want to live in? Or have your child live in? So no, it isn't just a matter of thick or thin skin. It is about being an advocate for those that can't always advocate for themselves. And don't even get me started on the rape and breast cancer cards! Some of the analogies bein made here are like comparing apples to cars. Babies offend someone because that person is struggling with infertility? Is the baby wearing a sign that says "Infertile people are too stupid to get pregnant." Or "Congratulations, your womb is barren...haha." No, random art featuring babies are not insensitively targeting infertile people as a group. That is the difference! Promoting a religion is not the same as degrading the followers of a different religion. Promoting women's rights isn't the same as saying men should die. So let me get this straight, I should be tolerant of someone making "jokes" about my child's diagnosis and intellect? Should I say,"Oh Mr. Mean Person, by all means, please make fun of him. Tell your friends to make fun of him too. If he cries, it is funnier!! I'm thick-skinned and tolerant so you can say anything you want." I wonder if some of you would be offended if it was a card showing a lynching or a child being molested...or would it just be "art"? Yes, what is offensive to some is not offensive to others, but enough people raised hell about the cards, so much that CNN got involved. I just wonder what happened to people respectin others.

  • KajaDesign

    KajaDesign said 5 years ago

    Thanks for listening!

  • hozzlebozzle

    hozzlebozzle said 5 years ago

    thank you Etsy, for your attention to these important issues!

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    Call me out all you want. I live in the real world, and while I thought they were in bad taste, I didn't feel the need to shove my opinions down anyone's throat. I am in a wheelchair, and my child is special needs. He's 17 now and we deal with the cruelty in the world with HUMOR. He knows there are mean people in the world and he has learned, as have I, to shrug them off. It's their problem and their karma (we're Buddhists as well). I don't believe in squelching someone's voice because I don't agree with it. I ignore it and move on. I don't whine and cry because the world has mean people in it. Life is suffering. I feel sorry for them, have compassion for them and in the end, worry about me and mine and our little universe around us. It's exceptionally easy to navigate away from a page that has something on it that I don't like. I don't feel the need to pitch a fit and make it go away because everyone should feel the same way I do.

  • SugarAndSpice

    SugarAndSpice said 5 years ago

    Thank you, etsy. I think this is the right thing to do.

  • bedouin

    bedouin said 5 years ago

    ditto ~*~

  • hfinallyquiet

    hfinallyquiet said 5 years ago

    I believe in karma too. But I also believe that ignoring (or simply laughing at ) ignorance, evil, and intolerance is the same as allowing it to breed. I'm not going to sit around and wait for a better world. I'll make it happen as much as I can, I want to leave it better than I found it, but I also raise money for orphans, plan to adopt , and pitch as many fits as possible to make sure that my son has every chance in life. I don't just click my X button and hope someone else stands up for those that can't stand up for themselves. And for the record, I tried to talk to the seller nicely first. He wasn't exactly receptive. And we disagree that life is suffering. I actually find life pretty great, not because I ignore stuff, but because I help others who are in pain. And I thank my lucky stars that I have a child that can count (numbers, not potatos,) who survived open heart surgery at 2 months old, and who loves with a truly open heart.

  • hfinallyquiet

    hfinallyquiet said 5 years ago

    And whose voice was squelched? He still has his own private site and still sells other cards on etsy. I haven't cut out his tongue or took away his ability to draw/design.

  • SHABBYTHINGSBYME

    SHABBYTHINGSBYME said 5 years ago

    Wow, there are some really varied opinions out there, and thats just as it should be.Most of us don't care about Bacon, or Vampires, and there is always something you won't agree with, but just ignore it and move on. BUT, thing that upset me was that, my son CAN count past 'Potato'... perhaps the seller can't..and my heart goes out to him... and who on earth thinks Rape is funny, or Breast Cancer ??????????? Come on lets be realistic there are limits, it's Cruel and vicious, thats what i hate about it.

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    It is setting a dangerous precedent. The wording used is so ambiguous that absolutely everything on this site could be subject to it if enough people whine about it. *THAT* is the problem.

  • LepelstatCrafts

    LepelstatCrafts said 5 years ago

    "All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." - Thomas Jefferson I want to get a very clear definition on what is considered pornography. The reason I call this out is because if someone were to paint a nude form is that a pornographic subject and needs to be banned? Would that mean the statue David should be banned from etsy? What about an oil painting of a nude woman in a park? That type of art is hanging in all the most famous art galleries in Europe. How about if it is a woman in a part nude and all the men are clothed? Does this become degenerating to women? Some say yes others say art is designed to convey thought? It is way to easy to get into a gray area as the rules are written. Several countries have different views towards drugs. Some are legal and some aren't? Is all the items that are in the famed mall store Spencer's to be banned from etsy such as gag gifts? What about a cane with a backup mirror? Does this become offensive to older people or is it just a funny gift? Clarification is needed and sooner I feel rather than later. to end on another quote: "This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it." - Admiral Josh Painter (Hunt for Red October)

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    "Life is suffering" is a Buddhist belief. Are you attacking my religion now? I find that degrading.

  • PhotographyByLilith

    PhotographyByLilith said 5 years ago

    Tinkerjenn and everyone else who has stood up and voiced your opinion AGAINST this new policy, I applaud you! As an individual who has been a target of hatred throughout my ENTIRE life, I find this new policy to be a form of hate crime all on its own that caters specifically to an ignorant crowd and shuts out the rest.

  • hfinallyquiet

    hfinallyquiet said 5 years ago

    Tinkerjenn, actually, I admit to being ignorant about Buddhist beliefs. So I sincerely apologize and assure you that I am not attacking your religion. I may not agree with the belief but would not have zeroed in on it had I known. Thank you for correcting me. I enjoy learning new things and bettering myself. I do not like being ignorant because it often leads to offense. I would feel even worse if we had been debating face to face.

  • ScottyEqualityBurton

    ScottyEqualityBurton said 5 years ago

    Love= allowing those you know, reach THEIR full potential...not what others think their potential is..down with ignorance

  • Jewelrybynala

    Jewelrybynala said 5 years ago

    I can imagine what a difficult decision this must have been for Etsy. Censorship leaves a foul taste in the mouth. But the free speech in question here which was being masqueraded as "art" was pure hate speech, and I think most rational people have a hard time drawing a connection between hate and art. I live with a mentally impaired spouse, but unlike tinkerjenn, I don't feel life is necessarily suffering. Our lives are all about trying to minimize suffering. There are precious few people who understand mental illness in all its complexities. While I feel a sense of humor is imperative for those of us who have to deal with it on a daily basis--and believe me, I wouldn't be here today without a healthy sense of humor--making fun of and profiting from the spread of tasteless jokes about the mentally impaired is disgraceful. Violence against women is not funny. Mental illness is not funny. Making fun of the two in a mean and hateful spirit is not art. Thank you for taking a strong stand against this form of hatred, Etsy.

  • FelicityLingle

    FelicityLingle said 5 years ago

    I commend you, thank you!

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    Nala, I agree there is nothing funny about Mental Illness. I have bi-polar disorder in addition to my Multiple Sclerosis. I laugh at myself and find humor in it as a way of coping. Others use humor to cope with harsh reality as well. If I can't laugh at myself, I can't laugh at all :) hfinallyquiet, I'm not at all offended, I was merely making a point. :) While I believe that Etsy has *every* right to set rules about what is and is not allowable on THEIR site, I think the ambiguity of the policy is in error. It is entirely too open to interpretation. Your interpretation may be different from mine.

  • bdbworld

    bdbworld said 5 years ago

    thank you :)

  • claireferrante

    claireferrante said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy.

  • nomuu

    nomuu said 5 years ago

    Brilliant.

  • HappyStrokes

    HappyStrokes said 5 years ago

    Congratulations I agree with you 100 %. For all of you touting freedom of speech, you forget, that with freedom comes responsibilities. I am sure there are venues where you are able to express your hatred, superiority and the like. BJ

  • sunflowerexpress

    sunflowerexpress said 5 years ago

    Um... calling people ignorant is pretty ridiculous. I'm VERY liberal and open minded... I just don't like or appreciate or want my business associated with hatred or ridicule of people who can't fend for themselves... surely as a human being that would make sense wouldn't it? I mean this isn't just about the items this is in fact in reguard to the fact that many people who came here recently due to the CNN episode wrote etsy off BECAUSE of offensive stuff. This is about business etsy's business... my business and your business. I don't like hatred. Being Liberal minded doesn't mean you tolerate anything. It means you are flexible in your belief... i see it from both sides. It makes me sad that there have to be rules like this... personally i think SOME of these offensive items are just a lack of common sense. If you are intent on selling items that disparage others the BEST place for that is your own site period. On the nudity stuff... Yeah right... I hardly think etsy is going to go after the nudity stuff next... they put some of it on the front page. AND IT HASN:T STOPPED and people complain about it every day.

  • chloescakestands

    chloescakestands said 5 years ago

    I totally agree.

  • PhotographyByLilith

    PhotographyByLilith said 5 years ago

    Ignorant in that a lot of people don't actually have a clue about a good portion of the stuff that has been deactivated due to this "change" and in the sense that they only know the sugar coated parts. So yes, ignorant for supporting something without knowing all the details involved.

  • longwinterfarm

    longwinterfarm said 5 years ago

    "Illegal" according to what set of laws? US? Singapore? Amsterdam? Iran? Yikes. I'd love to jump on the yay for not making fun of disabled kids bandwagon, but I have a feeling that would be naive at this juncture... Let's wait and see I guess!

  • curioddities

    curioddities said 5 years ago

    Etsy has the right to make policies. It's a private business. If you don't like it you can set up your own online store and sell whatever you want. Their new policy however is somewhat vague to as what they mean by "Violence" or "Hate". Items that depict abuse against women or the disabled and mentally ill should be removed. It's sick and it's not right that a person should be making money from anothers suffering.

  • longwinterfarm

    longwinterfarm said 5 years ago

    I agree, it's WAY too vague. That's my issue.

  • potblackettle

    potblackettle said 5 years ago

    Can I suggest that for those interested in truly making a difference for children with special needs you check out the blog http://www.kellehampton.com/. Kelle is ACTUALLY doing something proactive to help her child (and other children with Down's Syndrome). The best way to help is to do something positive and ignore the idiots. Having these cards removed and Etsy create a policy of deciding what is art/acceptable isn't actually helping anyone. But Kelle's amazing ONEder Fund truly is. It's easy to get your panties in a twist and write an angry message. It's harder to actually DO something about these issues. There are always going to be assholes in the world. And there really isn't a lot you can do about that. What you can do, is put more love and more goodwill into the world. Be a positive force through your actions, not a reactionary who thinks that sending an angry email and restricting free expression actually helped anyone.

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    @potblackettle *applause*

  • jewelrybyallison

    jewelrybyallison said 5 years ago

    Its great to see a company that puts these values before money. It sounds like common sense, but unfortunately many companies don't.

  • Studio30Baby

    Studio30Baby said 5 years ago

    Wonderful. I like knowing I'm selling on the internet site that has some class and I'll never have to feel uncomfortable telling people to shop Etsy.

  • WireEffectsbyKendra

    WireEffectsbyKendra said 5 years ago

    Wow Very Interesting!!

  • craftymcgee

    craftymcgee said 5 years ago

    potkettleblack - very well said! Thank, I'm going over to that site now. To paraphrase someone upthread: I can't control other peoples behavior, the only thing I CAN control is my reaction to it. It isn't the protest that was troubling (it was justified, IMO), it was the witch hunt aspect of it (which continues somewhat in this thread) - and the assumption that their (the Mighty Witch Hunters) point of view is the ONLY valid and proper one.

  • craftymcgee

    craftymcgee said 5 years ago

    Sorry I got your name wrong, potblackettle.

  • Ringocrafts

    Ringocrafts said 5 years ago

    That is a very positive change.

  • potblackettle

    potblackettle said 5 years ago

    CraftyMcGee, it's an amazing site. Make sure you read her birth story. It will bring tears to your eyes. She's raised something like $47,000 for the NDSS. It's a great example of actually DOING something.

  • hfinallyquiet

    hfinallyquiet said 5 years ago

    Thanks for the link Potblackettle. I will check it out. A lot of my extra money already goes to reesesrainbow.org (check that site out too, it is heartbreaking but necessary), local adoptions, my son's medical bills, and our local and national Down syndrome society, but I'm always looking for new ways to help. I work in the early intervention field helping families of children with all sorts of diagnoses (not limited to Down syndrome) get the therapies they are entitled to by Federal law. I will be getting my Master's in Special Education in a few years. All of this is really just my way of assuring you that speaking out against a greeting card on Etsy is not my only means of advocacy, nor is it the most important. It is just one of many. And I'm sure I've said it ad nauseum now, but I truly believe that popular culture can dictate how a society views a group of people (Social Psychology is very detailed on some of these ideas. And the propaganda used by the Nazis is a good example of systematically dehumanizing groups of people...not to imply that the cards were propaganda.) Anhow, that view can ripple to funds for research, educational precendence, inclusion, etc. That is why I do not agree that the cards and other similar sentiments are truly harmless or victimless. Ignoring negative opinions can create those ripples and in coming years, problems can result from the lack of concern. Finally, I think I understand better what many of you are saying, and I hope I speak for a lot of people when I say that bloody zombie dolls and nude artwork a la the Statue of David, The Creation of Adam, The Three Stages of Women, etc, etc are neither offensive or created with hate in mind. Penthouse type pictures? Eh, I don't care as long as there is warning so that I don't accidently stumble across it while my kids are on my lap.

  • craftymcgee

    craftymcgee said 5 years ago

    Yeah potblackettke - it was truly moving. I'm so happy to support someone who is trying to make a POSITIVE difference!

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    Some of you may also be interested in the charity equalitynow.org - The 501(c)(3) that I'm Vice Chairman of works with them and the work they are doing is AMAZING. :)

  • sockmonkey09

    sockmonkey09 said 5 years ago

    As a disabled artest and patron of the arts, fully agree and support etsy in there decision.I feel it's a move in the correct direction for the future of the arts.

  • urastarhouse

    urastarhouse said 5 years ago

    Very happy with your choice! Thank-you!

  • hfinallyquiet

    hfinallyquiet said 5 years ago

    Oops, I was thinking Reese's candy...lol. www.reecesrainbow.org

  • potblackettle

    potblackettle said 5 years ago

    tinkerjenn, thanks for the link. Sex tourism and "mail-order brides" are huge issues in South Korea (where I have lived for 5 years). Korea was just rocked by the murder of a mail order bride by her husband. Sadly, hundreds of poor women from Russia and southeastern Asia are lured to Korea with offers of jobs as hostesses etc. only to be forced into prostitution upon their arrival. Truly tragic.

  • TheVelvetBranch

    TheVelvetBranch said 5 years ago

    You did the right thing, Etsy admin. Sometimes it is the hard thing but you did it and I am so grateful. You have protected those that may not have a voice to protect themselves. As people of a free world, it is up to us to protect our own. I thank you and am profoundly proud of you. nan

  • sunkae

    sunkae said 5 years ago

    ***Great!***

  • kittyanydots

    kittyanydots said 5 years ago

    People have a right to free speech. But Etsy does not have to provide a platform for hate. I was one Etsian who wrote to you about the rape card. I believe you did the right thing in clarifying the policies. Thank you.

  • unpunctured

    unpunctured said 5 years ago

    I'm not sure how asking people to peddle their bile elsewhere is considered a "slippery slope." There is an enormous chasm of difference between things that require maturity to process and things that are created out of complete *im*maturity. Anything that directly and pointedly attacks groups of people isn't open to interpretation, it's quite plainly in view. Everyone cites the first amendment of freedom of speech, but this isn't speech. It's commerce, no matter how "artistic" it may be to the creators. They're not creating just for the sake of it, but so that they can profit from their creations as well. That is a very different matter than simply making a verbal or written statement of one's opinion, and Etsy should be commended for these measures. There are and will always be other websites and forums for those looking to gain a buck or two from shock value, but as a disabled woman in particular, I'm pleased that Etsy isn't one such website.

  • thefancyfish

    thefancyfish said 5 years ago

    SO, SO happy to read this!!! I have an 8yr. old son who has Down syndrome and some of the the things that I had come across on etsy while doing my regular searches for items crafted by individuals with Down syndrome or promoting awareness, broke my heart. I consider myself to be a bit "thick-skinned", so I can only imagine what a new parent of a baby with Down syndrome, looking for that spectacular awareness necklace she heard about on etsy, would feel like seeing the same degrading listings I saw...or the good sellers whose items were listed next to the bad! These changes mean A LOT to me!! I thank you for making them and I am also happy, to the point of tears, to see so many other etsy members in agreement! I feel more comfortable browsing now!

  • unpunctured

    unpunctured said 5 years ago

    Additionally, because Etsy also retains a portion of each sale, it would be profiting, however marginally, from things that it finds ethically troubling. Why shouldn't that be reason enough?

  • onionbagel

    onionbagel said 5 years ago

    Among those who object to this policy change, there seems to be some confusion about what Etsy actually is. What is Etsy? Quoted from Etsy's own About page: "What is Etsy? Our mission is to enable people to make a living making things, and to reconnect makers with buyers. Our vision is to build a new economy and present a better choice." http://www.etsy.com/about?ref=ft_about What does that tell you?

  • ElephunksTrunk

    ElephunksTrunk said 5 years ago

    I support these changes Etsy, thanks!

  • potblackettle

    potblackettle said 5 years ago

    Unpunctured... Etsy didn't find it "ethically troubling" until the blogosphere and CNN highlighted it. Quite a while after first being alerted to the greeting cards at the center of this issue. Yes, they have the right to prevent these items from being sold on their site. But let's not pretend it's a great altruistic point they're making. It's based on a PR nightmare.

  • sunflowerexpress

    sunflowerexpress said 5 years ago

    Serioulsy... do you want etsy to be held up as some sort of supporters of hate mongerers site? I don't know about you but i actually need this money to support my family. Anything that paints etsy in a negative light effects ALL of the sellers here. I would rather the site not be targeted for what it was targeted for again. this is a selling site. I believe fully in artistic freedom. artistic nudes.... colorful language... gangsta rap... I don't give a rats ass. Etsy isn't coming into my house and telling me what to buy or not buy and i'm pretty sure the seller that started this brouhaha is profiting quite nicely on their personal site. The Sellers on this site shouldn't have to pay for someone elses lousy marketing scheme or vitriol. Bring on the bongs, the dildos and the naked people... but i don't want misogynistic stuff, hateful stuff or stuff that makes me feel like i actually need to defend selling here. Offensiveness isn't a commodity.

  • godsgrrl

    godsgrrl said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy, not a slippery slope. You have the right to promote a certain tone in your own community.

  • craftymcgee

    craftymcgee said 5 years ago

    sunflower...YOU don't give a rat's as about "artistic freedom. artistic nudes.... colorful language... gangsta rap" (neither do I) - but you do realize that there are lots of people who DO? If they whine loudly enough, I can almost guarantee that etsy administration will cave to them. I hope she doesn't mind me posting here, but this woman (who is a single mom depending on her shop for income): http://www.etsy.com/shop/CreepyDolls?ga_search_query=creepydolls&ga_search_type=seller_usernames is now moving all of her things to a private site. You may think it's no big deal, but I think it's a crime. I am sick to death of PC police.

  • torik2009

    torik2009 said 5 years ago

    I stand behind etsy 100% on their decision regarding this matter

  • pinkpoison74

    pinkpoison74 said 5 years ago

    FOR EVERYONE THANKING ETSY I JUST GOT A MESSAGE BACK FROM THEM AND THEY HAVE ONLY BANNED TWO LISTINGS. I WAS PISSED ABOUT THIS NEW POLICY AT FIRST BUT NOW IM NOT SO MAD THEY ARE JUST PUTTING THIS POLICY OUT TO SHUT THE PEOPLE UP THAT HAVE NO LIFE THAT KEEP COMPLAINING. THEY ARENT GOING TO TAKE ANYMORE DOWN THEY MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT AND PEOPLE BUY IT INCLUDING ME SO EVERYONE AGAINST THIS POLICY DONT WORRY AND KEEP YOUR OFFENSIVE LISTINGS UP THERE NOT GONNA BOTHER YOU :)

  • PrairieGarden

    PrairieGarden said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy for doing the right thing.

  • sunflowerexpress

    sunflowerexpress said 5 years ago

    There is a difference... seriously... Etsy isn't going to sanitize this site. But they do have a right to say no you can't make fun of people and no we don't have to profit off of it. Period. I don't think most people here saying thank you are implying in any way that they can't laugh at a joke or click past something... I never wrote a letter to anyone. I'm rather oblivious to most things until someone emails me hey did you see this... Then i was a bit ticked. Hate is Hate. I don't have to buy items from said shops purporting it... and i'm pretty sure that the market for said items on etsy is small. I'm also pretty sure that the market in the world in general is pretty small... there is a big difference between distasteful meanness and off color humor... I laugh at people falling down all the time. I bought a card about falling down and gave it to my friend after she had a bad fall. I think that stuff is funny. I didn't find that stuff funny. Most of it was just base and crass. Yes we the people have the ability to have our own filters but in general as stated before... we human beings sometimes think that just because it doesn't hurt me it must be ok... if you have ever been targeted with hateful speech or terminology you kinda know that no matter what people "SAY" words hurt. Think back over history to how many actions or inactions have been initiated by a single word or words. They do in fact have power. I'm a pretty strong person... I get over my stuff but what about those who can't? What about some members of this very community who pay to sell here, does there opinion count? thats the crux of the problem... No one will ever really be free until you realize that your freedom comes with great responsibility. I think many people here were neither part of the mob, Nor aware until this blew sky high.

  • MayBrady

    MayBrady said 5 years ago

    *FANTASTIC* Thank goodness.

  • misscharlottejewelry

    misscharlottejewelry said 5 years ago

    I wasn't aware of this problem until now. Never saw the stuff.

  • carriveau

    carriveau said 5 years ago

    The opposite of love is not hate; it's indifference. We all need to respect and have sympathy for what others may be feeling from all walks of life. The attitude that it's not my problem is very scaring for both sides, no matter how it may be justified.

  • blueroompottery

    blueroompottery said 5 years ago

    I strongly support this decision too!! It was very unpleasant to watch such bad publicity for my dear Etsy on CNN!!

  • AtomicJenny

    AtomicJenny said 5 years ago

    Slippery slope aside, I am happy to be part of a community that is anti-hate and pro-love. xo

  • potblackettle

    potblackettle said 5 years ago

    I don't think anyone here is saying "it's not my problem" or saying this is a bad idea because of indifference. I found the cards disgusting and totally vile. My issue is that I feel there are better ways to help the issue. I feel that donating time and money to awesome things like ONEder and other organizations does a lot more good than writing an angry email. Armchair activism is easy and doesn't really help anybody. And the truth is, when people see assholes like the initial seller it makes them think that this ISN'T okay. It makes them think about the issue. And freedom of expression is always going to have pros and cons to everybody. Anything can be viewed as offensive. So where is the line? How do you decide what is acceptable "shock value" and what isn't?

  • onionbagel

    onionbagel said 5 years ago

    Etsy is far beyond what it once was. Etsy is part of a worldwide movement now. Etsy reaches out to the world, it serves the world, and it answers to the world. Try to look at Etsy in the worldwide context of the future of handmade. Does hateful stuff help or hinder this goal? Does it bring people to Etsy and the handmade movement, or does it drive them away? People need to look beyond the ends of their own noses.

  • fantasybeader

    fantasybeader said 5 years ago

    I also think its great to ban some items, but there is a fine, fine line. I love my B**ch shirt. I would hate to see items like that vanish. But yes I agree the hatred is sometimes overboard. Where will the fine line be??? Also Why do you not stop many resellers also while you are trying to make etsy a better, friendlier site. I know of some shops that are reported a lot and have been here for years. But you ignore them :(

  • fantasybeader

    fantasybeader said 5 years ago

    Also in my opinion, after selling online and visiting many shops and craft and art shows. What is offensive to 1 person may be hilarious, creative or wonderful to another. example a beautiful naked work of art, is really beautiful, but to some it may be very offensive. Just as a cross may be beautiful to one person and to another against their beliefs. Good luck, and yes I'm very much against hatred to a point. but a Bi***h necklace or shirt is funny to me.

  • fantasybeader

    fantasybeader said 5 years ago

    longwinterfarm says: "Illegal" according to what set of laws? US? Singapore? Amsterdam? Iran? Yikes. I'd love to jump on the yay for not making fun of disabled kids bandwagon, but I have a feeling that would be naive at this juncture... Let's wait and see I guess! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I agree. Example of what I'm worried about, many comments above. Here is 1 that bothers me and I wont post who posted it!!!!! ************************************ There are currently 381,629 items tagged "Christmas" listed on Etsy. As a pagan, I feel incredibly hurt and demeaned by this. Christmas is a debased, corrupted, ugly version of one of MY holidays, how could I not be offended? Anyway, please remove all offending Christmas items. Your rules, not mine. ***************************** SEE the post above!!!! I don't know if its sarcasm, but it don't look like it to me. That scares the hell out of me, because a pegan item listed doesn't bother me. You will have everyone flagging everything soon :-( But yes something does have to be done about making fun of the handicap. Just my 2 cents.

  • JulyDesignsJewelry

    JulyDesignsJewelry said 5 years ago

    Thanks for this!!!

  • StudioConestoga

    StudioConestoga said 5 years ago

    Good on you guys for taking a stand even if it means sellers displeased with the new policy will take their buisness elsewhere. Proud of you that you're not just about the numbers but care about individuals who make up Etsy!

  • sassefrass

    sassefrass said 5 years ago

    Adam, in all seriousness I would highly suggest Etsy sit down with their “LEGAL” team and draft a set of policies that were less vague, ambiguous, and overly broad as to scope! Now, if the policies at hand were in fact drafted by legal advisors, my plan “B” would be to fire them immediately and replace them with new ones. Tolerance/hate and handicap/disabled are not terms that can truly be discussed in conjunction with each other. Tolerance is defined as: “The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others.” Lets be crystal clear here…..”Disabilities” of any way, shape, or form are neither a “practice” or “belief”. Thus, one can not possibly “tolerate” a person or persons who suffer a disability. “Disability” is being used out of context and Etsy is treading some dangerous grounds here. Etsy needs to protect ones with disabilities and absolutely leave the other issues set aside on their own. As-Is your policy becomes unintelligible and a complete financial risk for the sellers here on Etsy. Etsy calls for the buyer to use their own moral judgment when browsing or buying but the sellers are expected to financially invest in Etsy, cross their fingers they don’t get flagged and removed, and hope for the best, hope they meet the vague criteria of “tolerant” and “respectful”. This sounds like a complete financial disaster for etsy sellers and a huge risk for creators of art. An innovative business site as great as Etsy is no place to promote a political agenda/goal and is a dangerous territory for the future of Etsy and our fellow artisans, even ones that don’t practice respect and tolerance in support of my personal beliefs. Unfortunately this seems like another case of “If your speech aligns with mine, then you’re tolerant. If it doesn’t, then it’s Hate.”

  • theroyal

    theroyal said 5 years ago

    i am really supportive of these policy changes in terms of being respectful of all people. but i can see where some of these new policies could be tricky when trying to express certain artistic license or convey a statement in an art print. but i am confident that etsy will differentiate between a fine art print and ignorant hate propaganda. thank you etsy for respecting the community.

  • YellowViolet

    YellowViolet said 5 years ago

    Good luck with this Etsy. I'm sure you'll get flooded with flagged shops as some people get offended when the wind blows.

  • pecanieregirl

    pecanieregirl said 5 years ago

    Positive change. Thank you!!

  • fantasybeader

    fantasybeader said 5 years ago

    I agree with sassefrass and YellowViolet 100%

  • JustAnn

    JustAnn said 5 years ago

    After the bandwagon hit CNN, i don't see how etsy had any other recourse. It'll be interesting. I think seeing demons in doorknobs could become extemely time consuming.

  • mssuzie

    mssuzie said 5 years ago

    I look at it this way. This site belongs to someone else and I pay them to allow me to use their popularity, marketing, ease of shopping and secure payment system to sell my items. In doing so, if this site has certain guidelines I must adhere to in order to sell my stuff, so be it. I make the decision to stay or go. That being said, I definitely suggest the "powers that be" be very careful about the rules because they may end up painting themselves into a corner. You can't please everyone, but it's very easy to piss everyone off.

  • Menuchachic

    Menuchachic said 5 years ago

    kudos!!! thank you so much!!

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    Please be aware bandwagon jumpers that Etsy did NOTHING about these items until change.org and CNN had a fit about them and put it in the mass media. This was not an ethical decision. This was a PR backpedaling clean up. Purely financial.

  • sunflowerexpress

    sunflowerexpress said 5 years ago

    Do you sell here? Of course it was PR... They make money off of sellers selling things and buyers buying things. If negative attention comes and hundreds of blogs start calling out etsy well that hurts the sellers here which hurts the buyers all of which hurt etsy. This was a no brainer. I do think this was a business decision. But i also think its a damn good policy to have in place so that if this happens again perhaps the items could be taken care of expediently and now etsy knows its own stance on items of that sort. And yeah i'm here for financial reasons, not altruistic ones too go figure.

  • riotsqurrl

    riotsqurrl said 5 years ago

    This will get tricky, there's a lot of sexual material on Etsy. Is this the death knell for needlepoint nudes and crocheted vaginas as well?

  • DevineCollectible

    DevineCollectible said 5 years ago

    Sorry that hate exists but glad that you are dealing with it! I am about peace, kindess, and just trying to be a good person all around but I know that some people are just bummers and promote hate! Thanx for doing this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Peace, DevineCollectibles

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    @sunflower - that comment was directed at the people who are blithely believing that this was a purely ethical decision and are spray painting everything with rainbows and glitter. Ethics had NOTHING to do with it.

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    ...and I had a bit of glitter cut my eye once. It hurt a lot and I think it's hateful and should be banned. ;P

  • sunflowerexpress

    sunflowerexpress said 5 years ago

    LMAO... Oh i already flag glittery things. and all things that make me happy.

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    LOL! Everything Twilight needs to be flagged. Not only is it copyright infringement, but it portrays underage necrophilia and beastiality. I find that unbelievable degrading towards young women.

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    *unbelievably

  • buffalogirls

    buffalogirls said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy.

  • mcclouddesigns

    mcclouddesigns said 5 years ago

    Good Call Etsy!

  • amiramoon

    amiramoon said 5 years ago

    I don't really care what the motivation was for this new policy, it's a good thing. Hate is ultimately about destruction, and that's the antithesis of the creative community here. Good show, Etsy mgt.

  • agardenofweedin

    agardenofweedin said 5 years ago

    Just because you can-- doesn't mean you should.

  • BeachCoveJewelry

    BeachCoveJewelry said 5 years ago

    I'm glad this has finally been taken care of!

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    I'm just wondering when the reseller issue will be addressed.

  • RetroReborn

    RetroReborn said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy!

  • mybeadcreations

    mybeadcreations said 5 years ago

    Good! Some folks will push the boundries of bad taste, hatred and general common sense so this lays out the rules quite clearly. Most of society needs rules....Etsy is no exception. Bravo!

  • dancingtreephoto

    dancingtreephoto said 5 years ago

    Thank you very much for making Etsy a better place. ;)

  • DolphinMoonCreations

    DolphinMoonCreations said 5 years ago

    Thanks Etsy!

  • TotallyToTheT

    TotallyToTheT said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy for addressing this issue!

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    36 golliwogs. 8 pickaninny dolls. 178 mammy dolls. Scrub them all. They're hurtful and demeaning to african americans. I don't care if they're "vintage" or not. They have to go. 17 swastikas. They have to go. Hindu sign for peace? BS. Demeaning and hateful. 57 results for confederate flag. Really? That's practically endorsing slavery. 3,264 crucifixes. I find them demeaning because Christianity marginalizes and oppresses homosexuals (among many other things). Take them down. 3,104 results for taxidermy. This grosses me out like you wouldn't believe, and it's offensive to me as a vegan and animal lover. Please remove them immediately. I expect to see some REAL changes going forward. There's a lot of things that offend me personally, and Etsy isn't the place for any of them. Thanks Sadaharu Oh

  • ForestLove

    ForestLove said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy, this is great, I totally agree!

  • BeadCactus

    BeadCactus said 5 years ago

    I agree with this decision. Thanks, Etsy. There is enough hate in the world, as it is. This is a free country, and Etsy is a private business. If there is someone who feels disenfranchised by this decision, they could make there own venue. IMHO

  • janieg

    janieg said 5 years ago

    WAY TO GO ETSY!!!! I am social worker and work with so many people wounded by issues around difference, judgment, assumptions, isms...the issues targeted are so often around things that others have no control over...each time hurt is addressed the world becomes a better place! My thanks...Jane

  • TreemsTreasures

    TreemsTreasures said 5 years ago

    WONDERFUL!!! I recently got wind of some "questionable" items. All I can say is that Etsy has always seemed like a "stand up" place and now you're just proving it more. Thank you for your integrety!

  • tinkerjenn

    tinkerjenn said 5 years ago

    There are 14,171 items tagged "Twilight". This promotes underage necrophilia and beastiality, and is horrifically demeaning to young girls everywhere, objectifying them. This is promoting not only necrophilia and beastiality (both illegal), but under age sex as well. These items need to be removed to prevent the objectification of young girls. Thank you. Also, there's the copyright issue.

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    Do all those listing fees get refunded? That's almost 3k in listing money. That adds up after a while.

  • dwembroiderydesign

    dwembroiderydesign said 5 years ago

    In order to be fair to both sides of the issue Etsy should have a "Controversial" category and add a filter that would allow people to opt out of seeing that content on their feed. If anyone selling these items do not tag their items as such can be reported using "report this item to Etsy" . One report results in item being removed and seller being notified of infraction and warned if it happens again their account would be locked out. Freedom and protection all in one.

  • LushCluster

    LushCluster said 5 years ago

    YAY! Thank you Etsy! I recently came across some "interesting" items and was taken aback. Not because of what I saw...but because I found them on Etsy. Glad to hear a new policy will be addressing this issue although I do agree that there could be the issue of a slippery slope and maybe a filtering system is what is most appropriate.

  • ravenofskys

    ravenofskys said 5 years ago

    I understand that Etsy means well with this new policy but it seems too gray and I fear artists will be targeted. I am disappointed in those who campaigned Etsy to get this policy. I came to etsy to buy and sell because it seemed the only place that was supportive of art and expression. Hope this is not the beginning of the end for Etsy

  • xCannibalCouturex

    xCannibalCouturex said 5 years ago

    I agree that there should be a section specific for contoversional items. Art is not safe. Etsy will do whatever Etsy deems appropriate. If an item is flagged, Etsy should examine it and determine if it should stay or go. As sellers, in respect of thin-skinned viewers, we might need to adjust what our titles and tags say, but art should never be comprimised. There is not many options for selling darker/controversial art, and definately not many that have the exporsure potential that Etsy does.I think the best way to go about the new policy and coexist is to be concious of viewers but keep a firm foundation. Whatever plays out will be, and if Etsy gets too conservative and prudish, hopefully there will be a better-suited place to sell our creepy stuff.

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    When I see a dirty joke, or something that's in poor taste, I like to describe it as "hate speech." That way I win the argument automatically. There's no more room for debate. I WAS OFFENDED, and that's the end of the discussion. You weren't offended? Tough. There's NO ROOM for interpretation. Thankfully, Etsy has listened to me and all of the other concerned Etsyans. My sensibilities are way too delicate for this filthy smut. Off-color jokes are NOT OK. Black humor is NOT OK. If I don't personally approve of something, it shouldn't exist. This may not work out so well for many of you, but that's cool too. The world revolves around me and my wounded feelings. Peace! Sadaharu Oh

  • gothymcgothgoth

    gothymcgothgoth said 5 years ago

    This is a regressive and probably unnessecary adjustment to etsy policy. If you dont like something complain, shout, dont buy it! but dont stifle the creativity of others.

  • mehndiart09

    mehndiart09 said 5 years ago

    I am happy to hear the changes -- respect for all is more necessary then ever in our society. Our intention on etsy should be to share what we love to do with others, but with respect and lots of acceptance for everything created in this planet of ours.

  • Caracarmina

    Caracarmina said 5 years ago

    I didn´t see the items that caused all this debate but I´m against any kind of discrimination... it amazes me how we humans treat each other sometimes, and it amazes me even more that we have gotten used to denigration in movies, adds and basically our daily life... I see a lot of people that are missunderstanding this paragraph: "We no longer allow items or listings that promote, support or glorify hatred toward or otherwise demean people based upon race, ethnicity, religion, gender, gender identity, disability, or sexual orientation; including items or content that promote organizations with such views." That doesn´t mean you cannot list items that have gay, religious or ethnic content (to mention some of them)... that means you cannot list items from organizations that promotes the hate towards them... not the organizations that promotes them!!! I just listed a gay friendly valentine´s card and I´m sure that´s a totally acceptable item. There are some concepts that can be flexible... but hatred and discrimination are not... Good for Etsy for taking this decision !

  • NoMore925

    NoMore925 said 5 years ago

    Works for me!

  • victorialynn

    victorialynn said 5 years ago

    Thank you, Etsy!

  • TheRitzyMeow

    TheRitzyMeow said 5 years ago

    @pinkpoison74 - It may have supposidly been only 2 items that were "banned" but many more were deactivated and told not to repost those items, without even getting a refund or clear explaination as to why their work had been basically banned.

  • whatshername

    whatshername said 5 years ago

    I'm proud of ya.

  • laura6

    laura6 said 5 years ago

    what about, for example, a swastika? Once a symbol of life and prosperity, until the Nazis adopted it as a symbol of hate. No that I make anything with swastikas in it, but thats an example of dual meaning. http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm If i were Egyptian, it might have a very different meaning to me, than if I were Jewish

  • chelseavintage

    chelseavintage said 5 years ago

    I'm glad about this!

  • ANNALEE63

    ANNALEE63 said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy!

  • UniversalCharm

    UniversalCharm said 5 years ago

    I am very glad this was resolved this way with the new policy changes. When I first heard of the situation and Etsy's stance, I felt nearly heartbroken! To think, Etsy would become a part of the violence upon others, as if the crime itself wasn't enough horror! Sadly, there are very "sick" opportunists (NOT ARTISTS) out there, quite willing to exploit victims of tragic fortune calling what they are doing, "art." This is not art nor humor, this IS NOT HEALTHY in any community. Thank you Etsy adopting and enforcing the new policy as is your right. Also Thx for restoring my pride in being associated with you.

  • JeanneLee

    JeanneLee said 5 years ago

    Thank-you, Etsy!

  • NOjewelry

    NOjewelry said 5 years ago

    “support their right to express themselves however abhorrent I find that expression.” “freedom of speech” “it's still their right to express those feelings” - I can not believe it! People with disability and their families have enough pain in they lives. Sometimes people with disability even can not express they pain! It does not mean they do not have it or do not understand. How about it! Who will protect them/world from more pain if not people who is in rights to make rules. Thank you! I agree that the rules should be in way of saying "you can't say/sell that here" in more specific words to define offensive context for people who can not do it clearly, because everybody is different. Otherwise rule will not be followed by violators. And if other will “complain, shout” what they do not like - then it will sure get personal and will get out of control. Main rule: no hate. Right? ;-) Because some people did not get it. And the "way do not go, do not buy" – will not work. I think there is plenty of themes for diverse art without making fun on/hate somebody to became better, smarter, cooler and richly. Fine art is more then expressing yourself!

  • NOjewelry

    NOjewelry said 5 years ago

    I'm glad about new policies!

  • RaesSpirit

    RaesSpirit said 5 years ago

    I'm glad to be a part of the community that supports love, not hate.

  • TheDangleDiva

    TheDangleDiva said 5 years ago

    Bravo Etsy!

  • OverAndOverAgain

    OverAndOverAgain said 5 years ago

    Thank you for helping to make Etsy a safe space.

  • AstridNicoleEtcetera

    AstridNicoleEtcetera said 5 years ago

    Kudos for your policy, Etsy!

  • lrcoastalart

    lrcoastalart said 5 years ago

    Awesome! Hatred will always be NONproductive!

  • LunaLeon

    LunaLeon said 5 years ago

    Great job Etsy. You did the right thing!

  • LunaLeon

    LunaLeon said 5 years ago

    There are clearly some who disagree with this, perhaps putting a "caution" page before one enters shops with those listings may be a good idea. Im fine with the way it is now, I don't agree with these kinds of Humor and such. But for those who feel this is not right, perhaps the whole " caution- You will be viewing mature content" or something of that sort.

  • nanopod

    nanopod said 5 years ago

    This is great! Unlike the US- Canada has anti-hate laws. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech or expression which people sometimes confuse it with or try to compare it to. Inciting hate towards any person or people is wrong, anywhere, any time. Go Etsy!

  • MamaBearBabyWear

    MamaBearBabyWear said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy!

  • RareEarthGems

    RareEarthGems said 5 years ago

    Thank you for giving this important issue such careful consideration. I really appreciate your new stance on these items.

  • siragwatkins

    siragwatkins said 5 years ago

    I am for the changes, so long as they don't prohibit humor and don't mean, for instance, that one person complaining about a tastefully nude carving of a female body will get it taken down.

  • siragwatkins

    siragwatkins said 5 years ago

    I am for the changes, so long as they don't prohibit humor and don't mean, for instance, that one person complaining about a tastefully nude carving of a female body will get it taken down.

  • piecesofelises

    piecesofelises said 5 years ago

    I have always appreciated the inclusive and respectful attitude here on Etsy.

  • earthgarden

    earthgarden said 5 years ago

    Thank you for keeping it positive etsy!

  • bynichole

    bynichole said 5 years ago

    I only read some of the comments, but as far as I can tell there is a huge amount of esty sellers who prefer the re-outline vs the few who don't. Being the mother of a special needs child, I appreciate being able to sell in a coumminity that supports my family by keeping Etsy clean thanks Etsy

  • thepeasantpailfull

    thepeasantpailfull said 5 years ago

    well,folks i'm for it as a person who would like some to understand for me the correct phrase is not being desensitized as opposed to having a thin or thick skin. That is how i feel about it and the phrase someone else mentioned about the company you keep. I personally as others have implied wouldn't want to be embarrassed about talking about Etsy to those whose support we might need,emotional as well as financial. Thanks goodness some weren't watching CNN at that time,as I understand it wasn't actually on a known prime time show or anything. Not to me or mine anyways. That said,one more phrase also applies,something about "one person ruining it for the rest of the class". That's for the historians,a couple interesting points there sorry,its just something you live with I guess. Or find a nice museum to sell to maybe.

  • YarnAndStuff

    YarnAndStuff said 5 years ago

    Bravo Etsy... making hard decisions because they are the right thing to do. Maybe government could take a lesson here.

  • DiannasDivineDesigns

    DiannasDivineDesigns said 5 years ago

    Yes..we want to keep that warm and cozy feeling, thank you!

  • sassefrass

    sassefrass said 5 years ago

    The Prohibitive items list only needs clarification because Etsy has chose to recklessly throw out words such as “tolerance, respect, and civil debate” when referring to “Hate, Violence, and Persons with Disabilities“.

  • sassefrass

    sassefrass said 5 years ago

    Dissenting opinion doesn’t equal Hate. Requests for clarification of Policy doesn’t equal Hate. Freedom of Expression doesn’t equal Hate. In fact, disrespect doesn’t always equal Hate either, and lastly,,,,,wait for it,,,,wait for it,,,,,Surprise! Intolerance in and of itself also does not equal Hate. Despite what CrapNewsNetwork (CNN) reports. I can lack tolerance for person(s) but that doesn’t mean I automatically HATE them.

  • IntentionallyMe

    IntentionallyMe said 5 years ago

    Thanks Etsy !!

  • satanica

    satanica said 5 years ago

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/65966854/i-hate-humans Why don't you all type in the search term "hate" and see what you come up with. And after you are done with that perhaps you could donate some of your time to the less fortunate instead of witch hunting artists on etsy cause you got your feewings huwt.

  • lalalandArt

    lalalandArt said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy! This is a smart and necessary change!

  • JuliaPeculiar

    JuliaPeculiar said 5 years ago

    Thanks Etsy.

  • mitjanitsvintage

    mitjanitsvintage said 5 years ago

    Great!!!! That`s what Etsy is about, a community of great people loving what they do and giving good to the world. Keep going ETSY!!!

  • mountainbrook

    mountainbrook said 5 years ago

    I have a feeling that if etsy starts a category titled 'humor' it will trap most of the type of listings that this pronouncement is intended to prohibit. We all need to go back and re-read Will Rogers and Mark Twain and relax a bit. I cannot define derogatory, but my mind recogonizes it, at least by my standards, when I see it. I just start feeling very uncomfortable when another person,or group, think they can define it for me. Of course there are age related standards as there probably should be, but is seems to me that the more we allow others to regulate our individual standards the lower our collective happiness index seems to trend.

  • coollight

    coollight said 5 years ago

    as a woman, I have found some of the things on here very sexist and derogatory towards women. It really made me question the motives behind Etsy for allowing this. Sex sells, but also it can be very demeaning. I applaud you for putting an end to this crap.

  • leapinggazelle

    leapinggazelle said 5 years ago

    thank you.

  • jewelrybyjackie

    jewelrybyjackie said 5 years ago

    I greatly appreciate the revised rules on content. I have not personally been offended, but can see how it could happen easily. Thank you for being pro-active and making changes before there are items and ideas flying around Etsy that hurt and hinder others. I see Etsy as a safe place for myself and my fellow sellers and buyers. It is good to know that you are working toward keeping that way.

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    Eliminating content you find "objectionable." The Religious Right must be bursting with pride, as am I. It's really about time that an artistic community starts doing some of the same work that Focus On The Family does. I, for one, couldn't be prouder. When I see something I don't like, I want it to go away FOREVER. Oh sure, some people tell me to just look away, or not to shop there, but that's not enough for me. No, I want to make that thing not exist anymore. It's the only way to be sure. Please, keep taking out the trash. I found 756 things listed under "marijauna." You hippies might think it's no big deal, but it IS illegal and my uncle died from a drug overdose. It's incredibly offensive. Please take down all of those listings, as well as the 411 that are tagged "drugs." This is a family marketplace. Thanks! asa lama lakum Sadaharu Oh

  • DiemDesignsJewelry

    DiemDesignsJewelry said 5 years ago

    .....but they are still here!

  • sweetperversion

    sweetperversion said 5 years ago

    I'm personally offended by Christian art (my uncle was a Christian) and it's my right to be offended, but it's not my right to say that no one else may enjoy it.

  • sassefrass

    sassefrass said 5 years ago

    I agree SadaharuO!

  • mudijudi

    mudijudi said 5 years ago

    The only thing that has offended me so far is the dude selling santa garb for his penis...and he proceeds to model it for you...don't really want my 12 yr old grand daughter stumbling onto that one...there are still innocent and impressionable children out there...they aren't all hardened by drugs and pornography in there homes...but then, the children are what he's probably trying to attract..

  • HelenesDreams

    HelenesDreams said 5 years ago

    Thank you Etsy! We all have to work together to promote peace, love, and kindness.

  • sadiesez

    sadiesez said 5 years ago

    Wow-- So 16,000 "signatures" on a "petition" and a negative press story is enough to slap us into submission, eh? Another example of a small group of people dictating policy for the rest of us-- niiice.....

  • PlanetJanetArt

    PlanetJanetArt said 5 years ago

    Thank you so much for taking this step towards creating a more inclusive community!

  • Kirameku

    Kirameku said 5 years ago

    Thank you so much for your hard work, and best of luck with all those grey areas !

  • Kirameku

    Kirameku said 5 years ago

    Thank you so much for your hard work, and best of luck with all those grey areas !

  • Kirameku

    Kirameku said 5 years ago

    Sorry for the double post... -_-'''

  • VerbenaPlace

    VerbenaPlace said 5 years ago

    We have to consider what is best for the Etsy community at large and not allow individual "rights" to take precedence over the good of our community. Thank you Etsy for doing the right thing!

  • byEmilie11

    byEmilie11 said 5 years ago

    Thank you, think this is totally leading to a positive direction.

  • SadaharuO

    SadaharuO said 5 years ago

    "...not allow individual 'rights' to take precedence over the good of our community." Best sentence EVER.

  • Twillwemeet

    Twillwemeet said 5 years ago

    Good move. Thank you.