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Noted: The Moral Crusade Against Foodies

Feb 25, 2011

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Perhaps you consider yourself a foodie, devoted to the locavore movement or the latest exquisite, undiscovered restaurant. Or maybe you cringe at the mere mention of the word, avoiding your gastronomically obsessed friends who fixate over quinoa varietals and tri-weekly trips to the organic market. Wherever you fall in this culinary battle, The Moral Crusade Against Foodies in the March issue of The Atlantic is a provocative rant (in the guise of a book review). Author B.R. Myers targets the likes of Michael Pollan, Anthony Bourdain and Gabrielle Hamilton for their tendency to sensationalize the culinary arts by referring to food consumption as a religious experience. For Myers, foodies are making food unapproachable:

The moral logic in Pollan’s hugely successful book now informs all food writing: the refined palate rejects the taste of factory-farmed meat, of the corn-syrupy junk food that sickens the poor, of frozen fruits and vegetables transported wastefully across oceans—from which it follows that to serve one’s palate is to do right by small farmers, factory-abused cows, Earth itself. This affectation of piety does not keep foodies from vaunting their penchant for obscenely priced meals, for gorging themselves, even for dining on endangered animals—but only rarely is public attention drawn to the contradiction.

Myers’s point is that the media’s coverage of food remains an insiders’ game. From his perspective, eating isn’t worth the overblown attention it receives in some circles. What he doesn’t spend much space on, however, is why then the foodie audience has grown. Where do you land, readers?


  • OffTheHooks

    OffTheHooks said 6 years ago

    I don't think Anthony Bourdain fits in with this 'attack' on food writers & chefs (but i do agree that some deserve it). he's the one out there eating the street food, organ meats, and foodstuffs (literally) that sustain a huge part of the world. and honestly, he seems to like these better than the bourgeois foodie menus he tries in the big cities! i think the movement is important, not to get everyone to try foie gras or truffles (totally unnecessary and elitist), but to actually learn to cook with simple ingredients and do it with some passion.

  • LiliumVitiate

    LiliumVitiate said 6 years ago

    I think there is a balance. While I'm not a 'locavore' or a 'foodie' I think that the local and organic food movements have a lot of validity, in that food production and shipping can take a lot away from the Earth. Where will the food come from when we have no clean soil or air? On the other hand, I think there needs to be a limit to the dedication- it's just food. You're hardly enjoying your limited time in this life if you're counting quinoa, and you're definitely not doing anyone any good by eating an endangered species. Try new things, be mindful- but don't let it take over your life or your views of others, and don't kid yourself for one moment that it makes you better than anyone else. Everyone has to eat.

  • SoliDeoGloriaSDG

    SoliDeoGloriaSDG said 6 years ago

    Interesting read ...

  • HopeChestHome

    HopeChestHome said 6 years ago

    Granted, I haven't read any of the authors mentioned, but I think I land square in the middle. Farmers Markets aren't offered in a location that is convenient for me- often they are a summer excursion that is never repeated enough. Food can be a "religious" experience- In the winter, crock potting a stew and having friends over for music and laughter warms the heart like no church service has (for me anyway!) At the same time, touting food as such an experience tends to lend me towards a larger waistline (cheese and fresh bread!) so I vary between a feeling of richness and viewing my body as the ultimate machine, cooly calculating each item put in my mouth, what it will do to enhance my well being physically, and not looking to it as some holy grail. * Being a foodie, I think that it could be equated to a form of emotional eating. In a world with so much turmoil, it is almost a glorified form of gratification...

  • remodernseries

    remodernseries said 6 years ago

    there's nothing wrong with loving food that much. there a backlash against foodies because they work it a little too hard, like the new hipster trying out old ways they kind of want to let you know that they know that you know that they're really savvy. you don't have to fly to paris then drive to the little town to get that cheese you love so much anymore. order it online. same with the jamón ibérico from spain.

  • AimeeDianeDesigns

    AimeeDianeDesigns said 6 years ago

    As with anything, I think there is a middle ground here that The Atlantic writer isn't acknowledging- you don't have to pick a side to either extreme- the snobby foodie vs. the fast/frozen food diet. For instance, I can't afford insanely priced meals, but I do care what food I put in my body and I try to make it the highest quality and the least impact on the environment that is still within the price range I can afford. I disagree that food is being made unapproachable by the foodie movement- it is raising awareness of how good food can be- not something to just quickly shove in your face. If more people buy organic, locally grown food (which often costs more), supply will increase to match demand and prices will go down, making it affordable for more people. That being said, the "contradiction" that the author of the article speaks about does deserve some attention as there is hypocrisy in holding food in high regard yet not respecting where it comes from or thinking about the consequences of eating it (as in paying high prices to eat meat from an endangered animal, for example).

  • VintageEye

    VintageEye said 6 years ago

    I have read two of Michael Pollan's books & found them to be informative & thought provoking. I learned much about the food industry in the United States & do think more about how my food choices influence health-my own as well as that of my community & the planet. I do not consider myself a foodie but I do like to eat! As far as Mr Bourdain goes, I have grown tired of his shtick!

  • kararane

    kararane said 6 years ago

    Having the opportunity to work at Millennium restaurant (Fine Dining Vegan), having been the owner of a Beach side food stand, and having worked on a farm, there are many perspectives to eating. The most important being that we get to eat. Awareness of what is wrong in the food industry (driven by money,greed,) has been brought out by "radicals" because they got mainstreams attention. Now can we find balance? A place where food is revered as holy, essential to our daily life, and a guide to our sustainable future.

  • theroyal

    theroyal said 6 years ago

    i have always understood a foodie to be someone who's hobby is going out to eat alot and rating food. i do not consider myself a foodie. i enjoy food that i can afford and am a ovo vegetarian. i buy organic when i can and try to stay away from all processed food. a pot luck with food made by my friends is more special to me that dinner at a fancy restaurant i cant afford in the first place. i do not want to discount talented chefs, but isn't etsy all about diy handmade stuff. thats a pot luck to me and to me thats all you need.

  • TheNightjar

    TheNightjar said 6 years ago

    i am off to read the article in the Atlantic offthehooks, i dont think Anthony Bourdain (like Vintageye, i agree that he is tiresome)is really part of this discussion- maybe Alice Waters should be mentioned here.

  • ThePolkadotMagpie

    ThePolkadotMagpie said 6 years ago

    This certainly is going to stir the pot. ( ha ) Going to read it tonight. I like thought provoking views.

  • collectiblesatoz

    collectiblesatoz said 6 years ago

    Interesting article althought I don't agree with all of it. I am definitely a foodie and that is OK......

  • iroirocrafts

    iroirocrafts said 6 years ago

    I don't think there is a problem with really loving food, and that being your 'hobby'. We all have to eat, so why not make the most of it? Some people eat to live, and some live to eat.

  • factorygirlashli

    factorygirlashli said 6 years ago

    I've had the opportunity to go to one of Bourdain's shows. I think he is only a partial foodie. He began eating "snobbish" foods as a form of rebellion. I think to Bourdain, the foods he eats are part of some childhood punk rock addiction. He doesn't think you need to eat vegan, organic, or local to eat good food. The statements he's made pro-local or pro-organic have been mainly out of fear for his own safety and enjoyment (ex: eating dangerous factory produced hamburger that you have to scorch to a minimum of 400 internal degrees). I appreciate that TheNightJar brought up Alice Waters. I met her a couple summers ago, as a surprise from my husband. Her restaurant is divine. She is trying to teach people that good food found locally is worth sitting down and enjoying. It seems expensive or elitist at the time, but when you research the history of the restaurant and think about the time poured into such a place... it is a much better value than the dollar menu at McDonalds. American consumerism has changed how we approach food for the worse, I'm afraid. It doesn't take a foodie to see that or point it out.

  • jamieribisi

    jamieribisi said 6 years ago

    The quote in the photograph posted- "Take all you want, eat all you take"- is originally from the United Society of Shakers' dining room rules. They have a fascinating food history in relation to their religious beliefs, worth researching if you're interested.

  • tigersanddragons

    tigersanddragons said 6 years ago

    I guess I'm in the middle, I enjoy shows like Top Chef and munch on simple crackers and cheese or even chemically flavored chips while watching it. As a lacto-ova vegetarian I have been interested in flavours and cuisine from around the globe, especially because there is so much interesting vegetarian cuisine. Organic is great, but I can't always afford it. Local produce is preferred but the 100 mile diet is not going to get me the legumes and soy I need. Good food is amazing, and simple and fresh can be just as good as complicated gourmet meals. Food as fuel alone is boring, I may not be able to go to expensive restaunts but trying a new cheese or vegetable is a fun experience.

  • chelseavintage

    chelseavintage said 6 years ago

    I agree with a lot of the other readers. He doesn't explore a middle ground. While I do see the that people could want to be as earth conscience as possible, it's almost impossible to eat the way 'foodies' do, as a regular family, especially one with kids and responsibilities of everyday life. I think a lot of people are trying to eat consciously more and more, but I don't think you can be one or the other, especially in the 'real world' not the world where your job is to taste food all the time.

  • julietgo Admin

    julietgo said 6 years ago

    Hey guys, I love your thoughtful opinions here. Some of you mentioned Alice Waters, and I just recalled another provocative story from The Atlantic that focused on her. For those interested in further reading, it's "Cultivating Failure: How school gardens are cheating our most vulnerable students." Pretty opinionated stuff! Jamieribisi: didn't know that about the Shaker dining rules. Thanks for informing us.

  • ainsliecake

    ainsliecake said 6 years ago

    I work in the food industry. I read the article and think it's petty and rude. He says the culinary world is not an "art" and shouldn't be treated as such. What if I don't agree that dance is a valid artistic expression? Can I write an article on how stupid I think ballet dancers are for practicing hours to perfect their craft and how stupid people are for paying to enjoy a performance? Please. He's generalizing several very DIFFERENT food movements as one "foodie". Being aware of where your food comes from (for example, trucking...ship and diesel truck... raspberries from South America to North America so we can have them year round) is totally different than someone who feels a religious experience while eating fois gras. Getting back to eating locally produced foods isn't in the same universe as buying/consuming expensive specialty meats. Demanding foods not laced with pesticides from US growers is totally different from flying to France for a wheel of cheese. People who do that represent a teeny tiny portion of "foodies" in the US, not the "foodies" who are people of any economic level that enjoy eating. In my opinion, he's an idiot.

  • treasurebooth

    treasurebooth said 6 years ago

    Interesting food for thought, pun intended ;)

  • AmberGypsySky

    AmberGypsySky said 6 years ago

    I eat healthy and organic when I'm able to simply because I feel better...nothing more than that. It's expensive unfortunately but well worth it when I do.

  • RhettDidntGiveADamn

    RhettDidntGiveADamn said 6 years ago

    @ainsliecake Here! Here!

  • PrettyThingsByJenni

    PrettyThingsByJenni said 6 years ago

    Again, middle ground. I will never classify myself as a "foodie" because I cannot handle the over-fancification of simple dishes (thanks for allowing me made up words...) such as adding mushrooms to everything, or fennel, or mint. When did mac and cheese become so pretentious? However, I have on multiple occasions called myself a food snob because, like the critic in Ratatouille, if I don't like the way it tastes, I won't eat it. And that includes pot luck items made by friends and family. While I cannot always do local or organic, I do take a huge amount of pride in preparing nearly every meal for my family myself, from scratch, and with as few packaged, processed ingredients as possible. However, I have been known to scarf down a bag of cheetos on occasion, without remorse. Everything in moderation.

  • FOYI

    FOYI said 6 years ago

    There's not enough food in this world to feed us all as it is even with cloning, if we all ate organic most of us would die of hunger. I love food, and I love to eat, but I think that glorification of food is beneficial (financially) to certain people thus it's advertised as something special. It also makes people who can't afford to it organic feel guilty about feeding surplus food to their families.

  • PearlGem

    PearlGem said 6 years ago

    Interesting. Here's to good food wherever it is!

  • Sugarshoxcrafts

    Sugarshoxcrafts said 6 years ago

    I don't think loving food is anything to be ashamed about. Loving food is another pastime or hobby, just like we all love to make things, and foodies shouldn't be ashamed of it. It's up to the individual to set their own limits on eating.

  • MegansMenagerie

    MegansMenagerie said 6 years ago

    Good read! I love to eat! Yes its way more expensive to eat "healthy" but when I do I really do feel so much better.

  • LivingVintage

    LivingVintage said 6 years ago

    I just like to eat! If the debate raises the standard for good food, that's good.

  • Sugarshoxcrafts

    Sugarshoxcrafts said 6 years ago

    I'm with you on the expensive side to eating healthy. I got a week's worth of just healthy food and paid 50% more than I usually spend on groceries! Unfortunately, because of the price, I just can't do that all the time--and this was at Super Wal-Mart too! Healthier fare is more expensive everywhere whether you go to Wal Mart or Whole Foods.

  • JudiPaintedit

    JudiPaintedit said 6 years ago

    I wasnt really hungry till I read this...... ;o)

  • enhabiten

    enhabiten said 6 years ago

    man. i choose to ignore this rant. really not representational of the move toward local food and the reasons behond it at all. i couldn't have said it better than ainsliecake above. foolish article.

  • silknparachute

    silknparachute said 6 years ago

    Some people do "Survival Mode" differently. Some like to revert to times and topics that provide comfort, vintage, retro, drink, food, hobbies, play. Others revert to self-denial, in possibly vain attempts to "Reverse the Colossal Damage" to our tender, toxic planet. Both sides of this crevice are liable to attach the other for it's belief. I am somewhere in the middle, appreciate it, but cannot afford it. I went into consumer-wary mode, for several years now, I won't go into Walmart with a shopping cart, only as much as I can carry to the check-out. Minimalism in an attempt to be part of the solution, instead of part of the problem. At least some people are choosing to WEAR the food, rather than indulge in eating (over-eating) it.

  • studiorandom

    studiorandom said 6 years ago

    Considering that research is showing that many healthy people are unable to convert enough beta carotene to be able to rely on it as their sole source of vitamin A, I don't see fancy liver foods as elitist. Foie gras maybe, but definitely not paté. Most of us here in America can't stand to eat liver or other organ meats anymore. Anything that will make liver more palatable is just fine in my book. I *do* consider veganism elitist. It is entirely dependent on the industrial system of growing, harvesting, and distributing food and is completely ignorant of human dietary requirements--and I'm not talking about protein. (See previous para for a discussion of vitamin A, for just one example.) When former vegans say they were sick on the diet, they are not kidding. Ovo-lacto is slightly better, but if you had to depend on your own land to feed you, animals have a strange habit of reproducing. Sooner or later you would have to choose between eating one or being crowded off your own land. Well, just because they aren't on your land doesn't mean their populations wouldn't need to be controlled. If you're going to have eggs and milk you will need to eat the animals they come from sooner or later. Or *someone* will have to eat those, at any rate. Veganism is at least more honest even if it's unrealistic. Myers is an insufferable pig. It's dishonest of him to equate Pollan and Bourdain. I don't think much of Pollan no matter how well-intentioned he is (my response to his little credo is "Ate plants. A big heap. Still hungry"), but I know he would never advocate eating endangered species. He at least has that much going for him. I view the fight over food as, ultimately, a fight between the industrial and the artisan. A fight between the mechanism and the organism, if you will. I think our health as a nation has gone straight downhill since our food supply was industrialized. It's not like we had great access to healthy food before that; our entire culture is predicated upon locking up the food supply. No matter what, there would be unequal access to nourishment, as a result. But industrializing production and distribution has only made it worse. It's no consolation to know that food can be sent to all corners of the earth if most of what's being sent is dried-out "lean" pork and "fat-free" milk powder and cheezy poofs. It's interesting that you *do* see obesity and heart disease and cancer in the developing countries. Where do you see it most often? Where the population is forced to depend on grains and beans or on industrial food. India has one of the highest rates of heart disease in the world, and there are fat people in African nations. And none of that happens because foodies in the United States have a special fondness for French cheese.

  • OuterKnits

    OuterKnits said 6 years ago

    How about the immoral crusade vs. foodies? Can't we all just live together?

  • FlanneryCrane

    FlanneryCrane said 6 years ago

    I need a snack...

  • mnjohn

    mnjohn said 6 years ago

    Food is a very personal experience. As a potter, my art is tied to the delivery and enjoyment of food. I would never tell someone what to eat or what not to eat... or feel better than someone else because I eat certain things. It's as personal a choice as what to wear or what music to listen to.

  • stoneblisstudio

    stoneblisstudio said 6 years ago

    B.R.Myers can kiss my grits!

  • GracieDesigns

    GracieDesigns said 6 years ago

    It is the old debate of "eat to live" vs. "live to eat" I love food, and cooking, and I prefer to buy local, but I don't lose my mind trying to find it. I like to mash up different ethnic foods, and make recipes. It is just another way to be creative. It helps that my husband will eat anything ;) I do have to say I am looking very forward to farmer's market season in Wisconsin, that is for sure!!!

  • whatnomints

    whatnomints said 6 years ago

    I don't really know where I am on this gradient - As I'm reading this I am munching on a chocolate chip cookie from the student center and I have Anthony Bourdain's Kitchen Confidential in my bag for lunchtime reading. I eat/read/watch what I enjoy - Whether or not it falls under the "foodie umbrella".

  • accentonvintage

    accentonvintage said 6 years ago

    Why attack foodies? I know we have a lot of problems associated with food, for example obesity,chemicals, but America is blessed with abundance of food. There is something for everyone and it is up to the individual to make choices. I do love to support local but sometimes national brands are tempting!

  • soule

    soule said 6 years ago

    I agree with most here, Buying local,fresh,in season organic is great, however it's not always going to get you the nutrients that you need or desire. I enjoy the whole spectrum of food, from junk food to the fresh and wholesome,it's all really a matter of personal choice and not eating in excess amounts... as for the "corn-syrupy junk food that sickens the poor" it's not just the poor who are eating junk food or getting sick from it, they have a choice of what food they spend their money on, instead of buying frozen pizzas they can bulk good such as rice, vegetables and fruits and eat healthier.Nobody is forcing anybody to buy junk food...

  • FrivolousNecessity

    FrivolousNecessity said 6 years ago

    calories are calories, survival is the purpose of eating, and people are out of control. moderation please... i want a snack now too :o). (i really like pollan too, .)

  • RavenNJ

    RavenNJ said 6 years ago

    Well I love food.. love to cook it.. lover serving it and love eating it. Nothing beats fresh homemade anything. I fortunately have the space for a veggie garden and can all I can't consume fresh. I do agree some things go off the chart when it comes to food.. Today on NPR.. Someplace in the UK is serving breast milk icecream. It would take a braver soul than I to venture into that realm of cuisine .

  • ThreeBlackCats

    ThreeBlackCats said 6 years ago

    Wow! I'm not familiar with The Atlantic....and happily so. These articles are extremely ignorant, oppressive, and narrow minded. I can safely say I will never waste my valuable time reading another piece of drivel from that magazine. Here, here @ainsliecake!

  • MillieFern

    MillieFern said 6 years ago

    I disagree with this writers viewpoint wholly. If it's "pious" to want to eat local, small-farm, grass fed meats, local veggies, etc- then call me pious. If it's pious to want to enjoy the food I eat, since we have to eat to survive, and make the most of it by including new flavors, ingredients and going for "quality" not "quantity" then call me pious. And if its pious to not waste my eating hours on junk-food laden with, yes, high fructose corn syrup- then I'm most definitely pious. I don't get it- we have to eat. Why not make food and meals an enjoyable, social experience- why not cook fresh and, if possible, local food that is better for our bodies and planet if you want to get down to it... Is he being sarcastic? or serious? what a dope.

  • KimberlyGlesenkamp

    KimberlyGlesenkamp said 6 years ago

    Food has really been taken to quite a sensational degree. Although some of the cooking shows promote over indulgence, gluttony and wastefulness in such a disgusting way, others are working hard to promote whole foods and better eating. There is nothing wrong with that, in fact I believe it is right in every way. They have taught me how to cook better and start adding healthier food choices into my meals and that is definitely something to be considering. What I serve my husband and those I love really matters and to learn how to do it creatively is a gift. Culinary Arts is just that, an art, and I don't think we should be bashing the foodies that make a conscious effort to help us eat better and learn about new foods and where they come from. We shouldn't come down on this other form of art and science. You can now make veggies both yummy and look appealing enough to eat! The obsession with food, the gluttony and the wastefulness is what I disagree with and maybe with enough attention to the good of this industry, as with just about anything else, we can help our bodes, family, friends and the poor. Not to mention I've made more of an effort to give healthier items to the church and community food drives. Had it not been for some of the foodies, I wouldn't have a clue what to buy! To some degree it's a mess, at another angle, it's been a blessing!

  • SimpleSatori

    SimpleSatori said 6 years ago

    I read a book a few years ago called "Skinny Bitch." Since then, my eating habits have changed, for the better I think! I now read ingredients on what it is that I am eating. If I can't pronounce it, why on earth would I eat it? In this book it talks about how "you are what you eat." It's completely true, if you eat fast food, burgers, junk food, you WILL become unhealthy and possibly obese. I heard another quote that states that you should never eat anything that is advertised on TV. Anything that IS advertised on TV, generally is not good for you. So, McDonalds, Burger King, Applebees, etc... all these places use processed food, which is very inexpensive to make, so they use that extra money advertise it to all the people watching their TV... Corporate America in general is not interested in the well being of it's customers. They are only interested in the amount of profit, regardless of the long term affects on consumers. This is why it is important for people to KNOW what they are putting into their bodies! Also, a little ethics and moral values wouldn't hurt when deciding what to eat at your next meal.

  • Verdurebydesign

    Verdurebydesign said 6 years ago

    There is nothing more pleasing than share a simple meal. It fills the soul with great memories.

  • BarnshopAntiques

    BarnshopAntiques said 6 years ago

    I thought I was a foodie because I like to eat and I like to grow my own food. I read this article and got confused. Guess I am a simple foodie who doesn't watch much TV. There is a lot to be said for a meal cooked with LOVE.

  • TheLittleRagamuffin

    TheLittleRagamuffin said 6 years ago

    As an organic farmer I appreciate those people who see value in my hard work. Growing food organically is time consuming, back breaking work -but I wouldn't do it if I didn't love it and if I didn't feel that it had value. People have a choice of buying mass produced items or hand-worked items... whether you're choosing between a cheap tshirt vs. a hand screened print, or mass produced food vs. home grown, hand plucked food. I appreciate that there are people here who are willing to support the work I do because they too see the value in it. It helps me to keep my tiny corner of the world alive and healthy.

  • TheBlitzKriegFashion

    TheBlitzKriegFashion said 6 years ago

    Interesting points from all sides

  • tatteredrouge

    tatteredrouge said 6 years ago

    Thank you "ainsliecake", I agree - the writer is an idiot!! Eating local and as organic as possible is a personal choice. One that all of us should be concerned with and supportive of - our health and future is at stake. ...and when a cook chooses to offer foods as an art form - I am appreciative of their effort and delighted to partake. Never would I demean by calling out as a "foodie" - not even for attention grabbing shock value in words!

  • Alyssabeths

    Alyssabeths said 6 years ago

    I think that there are two “foodie” camps. One is the elitists group that is now following the whole pig philosophy, sorry but the thought of roasting bones and a then scooping out the marrow to spread on toast points or consuming bowls of squid cooked in it’s own ink, is well repulsive. The other group of “foodies” and I include myself in this category, are people who just like good ingredients that are prepared well with thoughtfulness and passion. Frankly I mush prefer the foods of either groups of “foodies” to the over processed fake foods of prepared packaged foods and chain restaurants.

  • ravensrealm

    ravensrealm said 6 years ago

    Food sustains us. Good food sustains us well. On a related note, people on all sides of the issue fail to understand the role of transgenic (GMO) crops. Layered on the "foodie" issue is the impending food crisis (an increase of 20 billion people) and our inability for feed them. The issues are very complex.

  • LittleWrenPottery

    LittleWrenPottery said 6 years ago

    I'm not sure I'ma foodie, I like food but I dont obsess over it... I think being a foodie means you have to obsess over food, that its got to be your 'thing'.

  • BiscottiQueen

    BiscottiQueen said 6 years ago

    I really believe how we eat, what we eat and why doesn't only affect us (the people eating) but the community around us. If want what we eat to sustain us, we should not chose foods that support cultures on the other side of the world when our neighbors work so hard to grow the same items. We as a nation are bothers about the amount of Chinese made products that line our local Walmart's shelves... yet we buy so much choosing the poor quality because of its cheap price, we push jobs over sees. The consumer chooses the route our country takes by simply ringing up at the cash register. A consumer dictates whats popular in foods and where foods come from with out buying power. Personally, I love Old McDonald's farm down the road, and I do feel guilt to buy a pint of strawberries at the Piggly Wiggly down the road that came from Mexico. Besides, I can barely afford gas to get to work, why pay for the gas to bring me a strawberry???

  • ticklemepink17

    ticklemepink17 said 6 years ago

    Thank you so much for posting this! "Foodies" drive me up a wall and I've been trying to figure out why they've had such a presence in America these past few years. I think it's a sort of rebellion towards the "diet craze" that took place in the early 2000's. Then: the snobby celery and peanut eaters. Now: the snobby "I cook thousand ingredient recipes that takes 4 hours to make and cost $$$" Food is fuel. It's not some spiritual experience.

  • Parachute425

    Parachute425 said 6 years ago

    wow - don't think I've ever seen people be so vocal on a topic in the storque. Guess food is a hot button topic. Will read the article fully.

  • BlackStar

    BlackStar said 6 years ago

    We've been growing our own food for years and preparing everything from scratch; buying food in bulk or local when possible. It's the norm 'round here. Off to read the article and everyones comments.

  • SeasonsGleanings

    SeasonsGleanings said 6 years ago

    Guess it depends on how you define foodie, but I think of it as choosing to eat real food, made from real ingredients. I grow and process much of our own food in our garden AND work on a farm-on my wages, I never eat out. I eat locally and organically because I care deeply about taking care of the planet for present and future generations, and whole foods are better for your health. Bad agricultural practices, plus even worse food policies have caused global food crises, so building local food systems and feeding ourselves as much as possible is something concrete we can do to benefit everyone, not just ourselves. As in most things, there are extremes. We all make choices to support our beliefs. As for me, I'll wave my simple foodie flag high!

  • nudeedudee

    nudeedudee said 6 years ago

    I absolutely loved Michael Pollan's book, and watch and read Anthony whenever I can, he's a hoot. It's unfortunate that many modern media articles attempt to categorize and fetishize any kind of movement, or shift in awareness. I am a (recovering) chef of 13 yrs and I miss experiencing that "aha!" expression on the customers' faces when they really have an amazing experience. Food is art that we participate in several times a day! It can be profound, or ordinary, but we now have a lot of choices (and information) to make the decisions. Come on, we're all selling handmade goods, we're foodies with glue guns and sewing machines! People want to feel connected to things that are more tangible, made by real people, with real materials that don't do harm along the way. Nothing wrong with that.

  • stringofblue

    stringofblue said 6 years ago

    One of the commenters (on the Atlantic page) summed it up pretty well in regards to what the point of the article was: 1) Find a group of people with a large constituency, but not a majority one. 2) Create a straw man by painting the entire group with the worst characteristics of a few members of the group, even if you have to make them up. 3) Pen a screed in which you knock down the straw man. 4) Get page views. 5) Profit.

  • arcoirishandcrafted

    arcoirishandcrafted said 6 years ago

    My Mom taught me that if I dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all. Thanx to ainsliecake for covering the gist of it for us.

  • janibeth

    janibeth said 6 years ago

    Interesting thought....I remember when I thought the feminist movement was about equal work/equal pay and a raising of consciousness regarding respect for women but then the media taught me it was about a bunch of witchy women who didn't want men to open doors for them. I think the foodie business has raised awareness for healthier diets, the satisfaction of food preparation and the value to the soul of sharing food with others.

  • TabbyCat13

    TabbyCat13 said 6 years ago

    I am not a foodie i don't have the palette to be or i would but i am a pastry chef and saying food should not be treated as an art is insulting ! I agree with ainslecake as well. Reading that article kinda pissed me off lol

  • blessedvintage

    blessedvintage said 6 years ago

    A girl has to eat, so her jewelry doesn't fall off!

  • bluemarblebeads

    bluemarblebeads said 6 years ago

    If you haven't seen the documentary "The future of food", I highly reccommend it. It is eye opening.

  • ShoponSherman

    ShoponSherman said 6 years ago

    Food is a hot topic for women. Whether its for health or entertainment. I'm lucky. I'm a guy.

  • oldish

    oldish said 6 years ago

    Exxxxxagerations either way are never good...being concious about what you put in your mouth is healthy, but do not overdo. I think food should be a topic for both men and women, obesity concerns both sexes.

  • Moxiedoll

    Moxiedoll said 6 years ago

    Apparently finding fault in any sort of "elitism" seems to be Myers' schicht. His attack on literary fiction (A Readers Manifesto) was quite similar to this. He goes to great lengths to delve deep into the territories he feels are populated by the privileged, but considering he has his angry agenda to push he comes out failing to understand them. Personally I feel pity for him, as it must take a lot of energy to appear incapable of taking pleasure in anything.

  • Everydayness

    Everydayness said 6 years ago

    Thank you for this! Its a refreshing perspective to find in an Etsy blog!!

  • frommylifetoyours

    frommylifetoyours said 6 years ago

    simple and healthy are always the best route .

  • MorningGloryCrochet

    MorningGloryCrochet said 6 years ago

    I'm in the middle on this one, while I try to eat as a localvore when I can and I love me some gourmet cheese and wine, I can't stand behind the foodie extremist who insist that it's the only way to eat, it's not practical.

  • rockOUTpress

    rockOUTpress said 6 years ago

    hehehe, some levity for this strong topic stance... my band named "making dinner" sometimes calls our fans "foodies", but we mostly call them "diners". has a new video for foodies!

  • HoldTheWire

    HoldTheWire said 6 years ago

    I've read Michael Pollan and like him, but I can't obey his "Food Rules". I read the Atlantic article that was linked from this one and the author does make "foodies" sound really perverse. I'm far more interested in the economies of food being reasonable about what people can actually afford. I like it when Pollan and people like Jamie Oliver focus on healthy eating for people who often can't afford to.

  • KisforCalligraphy

    KisforCalligraphy said 6 years ago

    Bon Appétit!

  • auntjanecan

    auntjanecan said 6 years ago

    Now that I am old, the pleasure of food has overtaken the other pleasures I used to indulge in.

  • KevinInmanArt

    KevinInmanArt said 6 years ago

    I'm somewhere in the middle. I've read food and wine magazine for a long time and they were already into the locavore thing before it became so common, and it kind of wore me out years ago. I don't go out of my way to buy organic but I do care about the environment, I don't eat a lot of junk food but I do not think frozen food tastes bad and I do have hot pockets and pop tarts in the kitchen.

  • wrayoflight

    wrayoflight said 6 years ago

    It is just one more thing to worry about. Where did you get your food? What are you eating? How was it prepared? Don't eat this, eat that. Being militant either way is just tiring. I feel put off by the whole thing. Eat what you can afford. Try not to eat too much processed food. Just do the best you can. I think countries who are in constant famine could probably use some altered plants that hold up to drought and other nasty elements. Better to eat bland than not eat at all.

  • BrightFlameBeeswax

    BrightFlameBeeswax said 6 years ago

    well i'm an organic farmer... so i'm biased. i happen to think something we do three times a day is pretty important! but that's just me. and having had the pleasure and priviledge of growing my own food, i couldn't turn back. my whole life revolves around it now, and i like it that way :)

  • easyklc

    easyklc said 6 years ago

    Having worked in the restaurant industry for many years and being a self-proclaimed lover of all things related to nourishment, this is an article long overdue. It is an elitist movement no doubt. But that isn't always a bad thing, because many of these "foodies" are souly responsible for bringing new awareness to the food crisis in this culture. Hence, the Slow Food movement and Farm to Table communities. The food culture is deep, varied and political. I'm on the radical side of things. I do believe that we all must be accountable for how and what we eat. Like it or not, our food and the ways we farm are in a major crisis. Food (the REAL deal)like art, I cannot live without it.

  • BrightFlameBeeswax

    BrightFlameBeeswax said 6 years ago

    on another note, i also work in urban farming and i cannot tell you how happy it makes people, all kinds of people, to grow and eat their own food. it is truly an empowering act, and certainly doesn't have to be some elitest passtime. the term organic has, like many other terms, been highjacked by all sorts of people. it simply means agriculture which can be sustainable long into the future. as long as we are around we will need to eat and with our current conventional agricultural practices the soil just won't be able to keep up...

  • enchantedlockets

    enchantedlockets said 6 years ago

    I am a foodie to the extent that I want freshly cooked foods with the appropriate amount of seasoning at a reasonable price for the average American. In this the age of fast food and a plethora of chain cookie-cutter restaurants, the search can be dauting. BTW, I love Tony Bourdain and I don't care who knows it!

  • WanderingLydia

    WanderingLydia said 6 years ago

    I'm a big fan of Michael Pollen and it irritates me to see him thrown into the same simmering kettle of mystery meat with with a number of other writers who do qualify as "foodies". Pollen points out how the industrial food system endangers health and questions the way Americans wastefully, mindlessly eat. He asks questions and gives alternatives. Meyers finds fault with him for seeing the spiritual aspect of food. Shouldn't we be respectful of the food that sustains us and the meal that brings us together? To me, that seems the opposite of self-indulgent "foodie" behavior.

  • kaesha

    kaesha said 6 years ago

    I love food. LOVE it. But, I don't know that I'd identify as a foodie, even though I have a food blog. Anyone who gets preachy, regardless of the subject, is going to turn others off of it. IMO, it's all about celebrating what's out there rather than lecturing others. That's why I'm inspired by food writers like Nigel Slater - he mixes his love for ingredients with pragmatism.

  • CuffandCollar

    CuffandCollar said 6 years ago

    There is nothing wrong with loving food, I dont think people find good food unapproachable because of foodies, they find it unapproachable because they are not informed and do not understand it

  • 2RavenChicks

    2RavenChicks said 6 years ago

    I wonder what these authors think about candy conversation hearts?

  • cakemates

    cakemates said 6 years ago

    eating is worth time and attention

  • BirdsChasingBugs

    BirdsChasingBugs said 6 years ago

    Wow. I think this thread is amazing. I haven't seen such in-depth answers on any other Etsy discussion.... I'm really not a big fan of the term "foodie." It conjures images of snobs. For me it's all about balance of money, time and morals. The food I eat is highly dependent upon the money I have to spend, which is not much, so I try to make the money I spend on my food (among other things) reflect my values. I can't eat wholly local or organic because I simply don't have the means, but when I need to pick up a pre-prepared meal because I'm short on time, I go to my local co-op. I'm lucky to have it! Occasionally, I'll splurge on a meal, and that can be a religious experience. I think the point of the whole thing is to slow down, appreciate this basic function we call eating, and get creative.

  • RobWhite Admin

    RobWhite said 6 years ago

    There are a couple of problems at work here. First, the growth of chef-as-celebrity culture tends to magnify the influence of people who really -do- view food as a religious experience, either a cause or effect of the great talent that they have as chefs. Taking advantage of their outsized and often coarse (as the professional will sometimes demand) personalities by shoving cameras in their faces and giving people something to emulate makes for easy targets - both in people like Anthony Bourdain and adherents who emulate him because they cannot or will not generate a similar body of work. After all, who is going to be charmed by a film critic who carries himself or herself like a movie star? What I feel is an even larger problem with Meyers's writing is that it ignores the work of "foodies" such as Mark Bittman, Marion Nestle and Michael Ruhlman - all of whom share a common thread of activism on some level to make cooking and healthy food more accessible to those who want it (home cooks) or those who don't have a choice in what they get (school lunches, other subsidized food). These activists often speak in less controversial tones (though each have had their moments), but the work they do does more to help families that simply don't want to get sick from eating meat than it does those who want to eat the finest veal sweetbreads available. Which of the two do you think represents more people? There is absolutely a strain of elitism in the "foodie" movement and it's insufferable. The sensory experience of very good food is tremendous, sure. It's not unlike hearing a very good live set by a very good band: temporary, never to be exactly the same again but awesome while it's being experienced. However, the obsession with pursuing exotic and high-quality food overshoots the opportunity to learn about the culture that made whatever you're eating what it is. It overshoots the opportunity to be an activist for raising the quality of -everyone's- food, or to happily show one person at a time how easy it is to restore some greater level of satisfaction to the necessary task of eating. I am a foodie, but I'm not interested in liking food before it was cool. I remember how great it was to have eating be a social event for a family or friends, and I want to help it be this way once more for myself and for anyone who will listen. Cooking is an easy and potentially really healthy way to make people happy; I want to learn everything I can about it, teach whoever wants to know and encourage the rest. Eddie Huang of Baohaus makes some of these and other points better than I could, here:

  • mandeeleigh

    mandeeleigh said 6 years ago

    I consider myself a foodie, but I certainly don't fit Myers's description of eating endangered animals and spending outrageous amounts of money. That seems to me like it's more about the hype than being a true food lover. I get a lot of satisfaction from eating fresh and tasty foods, especially when I know that it was farmed/raised/made locally and without any pesticides or growth hormones. Food is most definitely fuel, but why's it wrong to want your meals to be pleasurable? Whether I'm venturing out for a destination restaurant, taking the bus to a food truck or whipping it up at home, I like my food delicious! It's just another aspect of life to enjoy, so why not?

  • CreativeCrabbe

    CreativeCrabbe said 6 years ago

    Eat what makes you feel the best, but please, please don't take a picture of it and put it on facebook, no one cares.

  • babymendedheart

    babymendedheart said 6 years ago

    As an adult I love to enjoy food and drink and am happily in the category I live to eat. I do enjoy a balance diet of a wide range of food. As an Australian I do try and buy Australian fruit and vegetables as our farmers face tough times and we have to do our bit to help. There is way too much advertising of food on TV and the problem I have with cooking shows is that they need to inform the audiences if the food is a daily, weekly or occasional dish. I am an educated adult and able to make my own decisions and realize the impact it has on my body. But on the other hand I am a mother of a young child that will always need to eat a healthy diet due to health issues, I do believe food advertising should be banned on TV during certain times. I able to educate my child as well as I can to decipher the food code of healthy and unhealthy. The key to this is the education and knowledge about food the parent has. I have grave concerns for children who grow up not knowing healthy for unhealthy and the implications it will have. Education should start from birth to have a balanced diet.

  • MilkyteaPrincess

    MilkyteaPrincess said 6 years ago

    How does this argument fit in with all the vegetarian/ vegan foodies out there? I noticed a lot of foodies are also fit, or at least not extremely overweight. Can you really consider them gorging? I understand the argument especially about the endangered animals, but other than that it's not so valid..

  • bayousalvage

    bayousalvage said 6 years ago

    Cant wait for mardigras season to roll around so I can have king cake, popeyes chicken and beignets all on the same day- my kinda locavore!

  • Cinderfella

    Cinderfella said 6 years ago

    There was a time not so long ago when people spent 75% of their day growing, hunting, gathering, preserving, and cooking food. They didn't apologize for it and they wern't made to feel guilty for it. They would invite you to dinner say Grace over it, share it, celebrate the fact that their plate was not empty. They were thankful. Today food is the new morality. It is now OK to have sex with anything, marriage has been tossed aside, it is OK to lie, cheat and steal... Now we make food a sin, and tell each other, "I am better than you because I don't eat ________." Food is fuel for life. It is OK to eat well. Every thing in balance. Please, eat, share, and be thankful that your plate is not empty. Nourish yourself by learning how to grow, preserve, cook, eat and share the food knowledge that you gain. The art of eating is a life skill that we cannot afford to loose. Good food, Good friends, Good God, lets eat! President, Wenatchee Valley Farmers Market Owner, Gayla Pastry

  • aspcia

    aspcia said 6 years ago

    I'm a total foodie! I'm vegetarian and love taking the time to make delicious meals and try new recipes and foods all the time. I've never considered the term foodie to be synonymous with glutton or someone who is apathetic to the source of the food, delicious or not. I can definitely taste the difference between fresh fruits and vegetables and those that aren't fresh. It's not because I'm a food snob, it's just my palate. I love using herbs and experimenting with different flavors. If I didn't take so long in the kitchen (I savor the cooking process just as much as I savor the food), I would probably be a chef. Whether you're ordering a bucket of chicken, a slab of veal, or a salad we all need to be conscious and caring consumers. I've always felt that to be the mark of a true foodie. Whenever I prepare food I ask myself, if I had to plant this, grow it, nurture it, and harvest it how would I treat it? How much would I prepare? How much do I really need to eat? And most of the time, when I think consciously of the food and it's journey, I end up 'needing' less. And trust me, I never feel hungry afterward. I suppose if you ate meat you could ask yourself, If I had to feed them, nurture them, clean their pens, kill them, and clean them how would you treat it? How would you prepare it? Would you really need to BBQ that many chickens for one family dinner? Across the globe, most people need to learn to appreciate again. That goes for everyone at meal time as well - whether you're ordering pizza, cooking an all American meal, or you're at a restaurant where entrees start at 50 bucks a pop. You can look at food as fuel and still be a foodie. Quality over quantity, and if it's still not satisfying you probably need more nutrient dense foods.

  • L2Country

    L2Country said 6 years ago

    I'm right in the middle. I have a nice vegetable garden since we own a couple acres in the country. We don't use pesticides, we use organic seeds, and we compost. Our fruits and veggies taste great. I freeze for the Winter. However, once in a while, I throw in some OREIDA Tater Tots for dinner, to go with our sandwiches. I do buy organic meat and eggs and milk, as often as I can. But once in a while, I love to sip on a tall glass of 'Canadian Ale' Ginger Ale. I think about it,--- but try not to OVER-think about this foodie thing. JMHO

  • L2Country

    L2Country said 6 years ago

    PS: Txs Gayla Pastry. :-)

  • SageOfTheTrades

    SageOfTheTrades said 6 years ago

    I believe in organic foods and striving to make the available foods better for society and the environment, but more than that I believe in using what is created and not putting anything of worth to waste. One thing that really irritated me about some foodies is that they are so obsessed with food quality that they would be insulted to be served anything out of their quality standards. I have seen more obnoxious individuals actually throw food away (throw food away!) because they find it not good enough for their consumption and they don't want to put anything that isn't high enough standards for their consumption in their compost. That is just wasteful and harmful practice. There needs to be a balance in this system.

  • SeatOfMyPants

    SeatOfMyPants said 6 years ago

    This year I started teaching freshman comp with the book Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser. No book has ever changed my life in such practically evident ways as this book has. I don't think of myself as a foodie and I'm not a vegetarian, but I look at food in an entirely different way than I did before I knew where exactly it was coming from and make purchases based on that. Thankfully, there are a couple good independent chicken companies around here... but I'm done with beef. This change has made me become more creative with spices and interestingly flavored international dishes. ...That said, have you seen Ratatouille? "I don't LIKE food, I LOVE food. If I don't LOVE it, I don't eat it." -Anton Ego

  • anacyne

    anacyne said 6 years ago

    I'm an avant garde chef. I use unusual techniques and try to present food in ways you haven't seen before. "Foodies" are often the people that are initially interested in my food. That said, I can't stand "foodies" - the hipsters of gastronomy. You can be into food without being unacceptably pretentious and reverential about it. For instance, I served a dish of sirloin steak with an asparagus puree and a powdered pumpernickel crumble to some diners today. The first thing I'm interested in from them is "Do you like it?", not if they 'got' that the pumpernickel crumble looks like dirt, asparagus grows from soil and looks like grass, and the cow lives on grass - a portrait of a landscape in food. This is hugely pretentious and high-faluting. It's there to discuss if you like, but in the end it's just food. It's not art, but it is artistic. Cooking is a craft. Like making chairs. There's no great secret to preparing good food in your home. Why does my stuff taste better? Because it's my job. It's my job to know what tapioca maltodextrin is - and what it does. It's my job to know what a protein strand does when heat is applied. If I came to your job you'd have a lot of knowledge about things I have no clue of. Except, my job is something you have to have to stay alive. If you don't eat, you'll die. Not every meal has to have a foie gras course, but if you need to eat anyway, why not explore what's out there, and try to make it taste the best you can? Just don't be a dick about it.

  • cindylouwho2

    cindylouwho2 said 6 years ago

    you picked an excellent article to feature! I'll just agree with RobWhite & not say any more :)

  • FOYI

    FOYI said 6 years ago

    If we are what we eat, I must be easy fast and cheap! LOL

  • iWALLS

    iWALLS said 6 years ago

    Very Interesting :)

  • LavenderField

    LavenderField said 6 years ago

    Interesting read, and interesting comments. I love food, cooking, trying new recipes, and I love watching food programs. I seldom open a can, and I usually cook EVERYTHING from scratch... it's a ritual I enjoy and makes it more fun, and at least I more or less know what goes into my and my family's bodies.

  • SugarCubeVintage

    SugarCubeVintage said 6 years ago

    why can't we all just eat s'mores and get along ;)

  • quirke

    quirke said 6 years ago

    When it comes to sensationalizing the culinary arts, Bourdain most certainly belongs in the conversation. This is a guy who eats endangered songbirds without a shred of moral reservation for the ecological impact of their harvesting or the illegality of the act, and then writes about it as a transcedent experience in his latest tabloid-esque bestseller. It's not just pretentious, it's irresponsible.

  • chalkoholics

    chalkoholics said 6 years ago

    This article has sparked a good collection of comments so far. Bravo!

  • mylenefoster

    mylenefoster said 6 years ago

    I have always loved good food and I would cook it more often if had the time. I enjoy eating out and paying a little more for fabulous food. But since the recession, my husband and I have rediscovered great places to eat that are cheap like Ivar's and Qdoba. I think cooking a family meal from scratch is a gift you can give your family but I take shortcuts sometimes and there's nothing wrong with. We all do our best. I have great respect for a couple of mothers whom I know, one who has 6 kids. She had ramen soup and cereal for supper one time I visited. The other eats hot pockets for lunch at work. She's the one who works in her family and still has to take care of 2 very young children. We all have reasons why we eat the way we do and we should respect that. And each one has their own priorities in life and eating good food, whatever that may be, may not be it.

  • sparrowsalvage

    sparrowsalvage said 6 years ago

    I consider myself a food whore- in that I love all kinds of food. I love McDonald's french fries, I love the organic goat's cheese from the farm down the road. I buy local tomatoes even though they're twice as much as Italian imports, but when it comes to my feta I'll have the one from Denmark because it's the best. I'm not rich by any stretch- in fact I'm under the poverty line. I have strong opinions about local/organic and home grown food versus processed industrialisation though; I feel the root of most of modern society's problems can be traced back to improper nutrition, that we all eat so much fake food- even the 'fresh' vegetables are almost dead when the supermarket gives them to us- that we have been undernourished for years. It affects the brain- Myers seems to be a good example of this. Food IS an experience. It's medicine, it's what keeps our entire body and mind going- poison in, poison out. I rally against the fat-free crowd because I think good food has fat in it. I rally against the vegans because I don't believe it's wrong to eat animals. But it IS wrong to grow them as we do. I like wine, but I'm not interested in the snobbery around it. To lump everyone together and tar them all with the same 'evil foodie snob' brush is just another example of sensationalist journalism- a good old fashioned witch hunt.

  • janeeroberti

    janeeroberti said 6 years ago

    The Atlantic. That's all I need to know to know that the article will be "provocative" and I will usually vehemently disagree with it. I've been an on-and-off subcriber to the mag since the 1980's. I barely read the issues I get now and am letting my subscription expire....

  • MissChouxx

    MissChouxx said 6 years ago

    I come from the same stance as sparrowsalvage, I believe food is an artform and a craft that humans have had to make to sustain us. Why shouldn't we care about the foods that sustain our lives? As someone who has given up the life in the straight and narrow to pursue a career in food has brought me closer to the things that matter most. Whether it is the chicken mc nugget, or laduree's macaron's, i endulge in each food experience fully and put my passion into the flavors i create in my food. Every chocolate that i make, holds a soul and a memory from somewhere deep inside that stirs even the biggest cynic. I'm lucky that i have the foodie gene, if it is indeed something not everyone has.

  • neulanen

    neulanen said 6 years ago

    "I don't care" doesn't equal "no one cares". Ideally, sustainability would reign over greed, but somehow I don't see that ever happening. Yet that doesn't stop me from trying. Food is fuel, yes, but it is also the building material we are made of. We really are what we eat. Our bodies are constantly renewing, so what we eat involves a bit more than mere calories. Nutrition affects what hormones are produced, and those buggers control everything that happens in us all. Food can even switch genes on and off. That's why I aim to eat food that is as fresh and clean as possible, and try to eat a varied, albeit ovo-vegetarian diet. I don't make perfect decisions every day, but I care about food, where it comes from and how. Is the problem really 'foodies' or could there be bigger, badder guys behind the scenes, draining our common earth into their pockets? food for thought indeed.

  • cattuslavandula

    cattuslavandula said 6 years ago

    The only 'food writers' I read are the recipe collections, with personal notes, of my two departed grandmothers. One Southern and one Russian-Ukrainian, both grew up on farms, lived thru the depression, grew their own veggies in their back yards as adults, and could cook to beat the band. From holubtsi to swiss steak, from pecan pie to man catching biscuits, from tomato cookies to potato fudge, no new fangled foodie can come close to their good old fashioned home cooking. Food writers, in general, and modern recipe books give me a cold feeling. To open the pages of a time worn, hand written cookbook, to flip thru the index cards of a family recipe file, spotted and covered in personal notes, is so much more fulfilling to me. Not only do I have access to my grandmothers' recipes and techniques, I have a tangible link to my past. And, oh, the memories! To me, that's what food and cooking are all about. Nourishment for the mind, the body, and the soul. Neither a celebrity chef, a food writer, nor a foodie can do that for me.

  • cattuslavandula

    cattuslavandula said 6 years ago

    And, cooking is about more than food. Cooking and chatting go hand in hand. This is probably because it was my southern grandmother who taught me, and as she taught, she talked. "Aint Myrtle made this cake for her husband when he was having his gall stones taken out. He was in Memphis on business when he came sick. Pour a little more buttermilk in there, the batter's too dry yet. Myrtle went from Jonesboro to be with him. Drove all the way with a cake in the seat, got to the hospital and found out he wasn't there. She was so worried about Sweeny she half thought he'd died while she was on the highway." "Now sprinkle in the lemon rind and stir it up. The hospital didn't have any record of him, so she went to the police. They said they couldn't help till he had been missing for 24 hours, but an officer drove around the city looking for his car. Dab a little flour there on the side of the pan. Now you have to remember this was in the 50's, and people were different then. A nice police officer would do those sorts of things for a crying church lady from out of town holding a homemade cake who couldn't find her husband in a strange city." "Well they found old Sweeny ok. He was in a motel round the corner from the police station with some barfly he picked up. He was on buisness ok, monkey business. And there wasn't a darn thing wrong with that man. Tap the pan on the counter to get out the air bubbles. He just wanted to stay in Memphis with that floozy and not have to be pestered by calls from Myrtle." "So that is how Aint Myrtle got her first divorce. It is a lovely cake tho. Get the powdered sugar out and we'll make some glaze." So, that is how I learned to cook. I couldn't get that from Food TV or any celebrity chef. It's bonding, sharing between generations, and passing on a family narrative.

  • kathyjohnson3

    kathyjohnson3 said 6 years ago

    Wow, not only was the article interesting, but the posts! I love reading what other people think and thier opinions. I try and opt for organic but up here in Minnesota its not always an option (17 below zero here today) so the farmers markets are closed :) Aah, can't wait 'till spring and start planting the garden.

  • freakylittlethings

    freakylittlethings said 6 years ago

    I agree with Cattuslavandula, cooking is a natural part of life and a great way of reinforcing social bonds... even me, I'm a terrible cook and can unite the most disparate souls in their disgust at my latest culinary effort. However, in the UK right now every TV station is saturated with Foodie shows, every book shop window display is littered with Foodie books and every other "celebrity" is a chef these day. I have several acquaintances who I now try to avoid as every word that falls from their crumb edged mouths is about the latest restaraunt, they best gravy, where to get the best organic what nots, on and on..... when they are not boring me senseless with this tirade it's all about diets and how little they eat "so why is my waistline expanding?". I'm bored with it, like sex, food is a natural part of life so just get on with it, I'm sick of all the talk.

  • Prairieology

    Prairieology said 6 years ago

    Eating is one of the primary pleasures in life. By analyzing this pleasure, sometimes we can get even more pleasure from it. And what's wrong with that? I personally love reading about food, even with everyone's slants and views. And often these views are calling us to a healthier way of eating, which is undoubtably a good thing. Is there something wrong with taking a few minutes to read about the sublime nutty creaminess of a certain cheese? Or the bright clean taste of a raspberry? I think not.

  • odelay03

    odelay03 said 6 years ago

    There is a saying "Live simply so that others may simply live". I am not sure who said it, but I try to live this way. I think it is important to not be wasteful and that applies to food also. It is not my place to tell people what or what not to eat, I believe in choice. However, I also believe in education and availability of healthy food. For example, I worked in an area full of city housing and projects. All of the stores nearby did not offer any fresh fruits or vegetables. I was so happy to see gardening and farmer markets pop-up in this area. Food is a great sensory experience and vital. I hope that someday everyone around the world will have access to healthy foods. Lord only knows, there are so many people starving. Off my soapbox now.

  • InYourBones

    InYourBones said 6 years ago

    @ainsliecake I'm with you.

  • MissHildebrandt

    MissHildebrandt said 6 years ago

    We shall be living off our land this year along with our communities land. We are trading our trade for local meat and will be planting like crazy to can and freeze. Can't wait to get ahead! This was an interesting article but not my thing. I am learning to love being hungry and to eat exactly what my body tells me to eat. Once I can produce it myself a goal will be accomplished. Chickens someday as well! Ah, how I love land.

  • scarecrow3331

    scarecrow3331 said 6 years ago

    i think that right now, food is a hot topic. hence all of the cooking shows, cook books, and restaurants that have been appearing lately. but for decades people ignored the fact that what they were eating was bad for them. and because of that we got fatter, our children hit puberty earlier, and disease rates rose. and as with any movement, there are going to be some people who take things too far, but let's be fair, some people are elitist about everything. no matter what the subject is, there will always be those who want to have/do the best and will gladly hold it over everyone's head. if these are the people that this book is describing, then they deserve it, but if it is generalizing that all foodies are like this then they are poorly mistaken.

  • kerrigilpin

    kerrigilpin said 6 years ago

    Great topic! I've been a foodie since I was 5 years old helping grandma in the kitchen, and I don't think there's any other way for me to be. I don't eat endangered animals, but I do truly appreciate a tasty meal. After all, why should food have to suck?


    YANDEBRIDAL said 6 years ago

    I really like what Rob wrote about enjoying food and using it as a way to share memories and bond with others. I kind of consider myself a foodie in the way that I love to try new things and experiment with cuisines from various parts of the world but I do find it hard to relate to super foodies. Like the people who had 10 year reservations to eat at El Bulli or ones who seek out rare and endangered animals to say that they have tried it. To me that comes off as a bit elitist.

  • sparrowsalvage

    sparrowsalvage said 6 years ago

    I wanted to add that growing up in 1970s country Australia means I have an emotional attachment to the way we get our food- my parents were big on home-grown, bartered and wild foods, I think only our staples (rice, tea, flour etc) came from the shop! Fish caught by my brother from the local lake, honey from an old beekeeper who would give my brother and I a chunk of comb when we went up there on sunday afternoons, apples from trees by the road, mushrooms and blackberries from the field and everything else from the yard. Growing up this way set it in stone for me that we should always be mindful of where our food comes from, that factories don't make food- people do.

  • chainchainchained

    chainchainchained said 6 years ago

    this is a great discussion. i'm enjoying reading all the comments. thanks etsy.

  • Maralily

    Maralily said 6 years ago

    I think the definition of "foodie" is not the same as someone who is interested in environmentally conscious foods. In fact, I think a "foodie" is the opposite. A "foodie" is someone who appreciates the best of everything edible. Exotic cheeses, wines, fairly pretentious dishes, etc. Being concerned about healthy food and environmentally sound farming is completely different. Personally I think there is nothing wrong with either way of eating. He seems to be ranting just to have something to rant about. "People enjoy something, whah!!!" I would also love to see a conversation about similar topics someday that does not devolve into a holier than thou contest to see who eats more like a saint.

  • strawberryluna

    strawberryluna said 6 years ago

    Wow, an ill-informed, over simplified backlash article regarding the slow food, locovore, organic movement? How novel. He's instantly become the Andrew Dice Clay of journalists in my mind.

  • galstudio

    galstudio said 6 years ago

    Many cultures include food as sharing & love of life, I'm not sure I call myself a foodie but I do love all types of food!

  • Luncheonettevintage

    Luncheonettevintage said 6 years ago

    what ainsliecake said up there is right on. I second the whole comment.

  • kmbutterfly

    kmbutterfly said 6 years ago

    I love the sign in the image for this post--I think they used to tell us the same thing at summer camp. I'm not going to think about that too much, though.

  • TheChinaRabbit

    TheChinaRabbit said 6 years ago

    As a former Chef, I think something most people lack is a connection to their food. In our own History food used to be ceremonial, religious and a major function of human life that was celebrated. Similar to the newest article in Wired about where your gadgets come from, the animals that we eat, the lettuce picked by immigrants, the farmers who aren't making ends meet...blood, tears, and sweat are shed to feed each person and knowing where our food comes from is not only important but necessary. In many countries a great appreciation for food is still a part culture. It is even part of our own culture with Thanksgiving dinner, and various other holidays. To relegate your gastronomy to a function can remove the ceremony of food. I am not a foodie, I am no longer a Chef, but I believe in connecting with my food by growing it. This era is also part of our culinary history, and knowing that most of what we eat now is not even considered food after all that processing is not something most people are aware of. In light of this I think the sad reality of this article is that someone has been forced to read too many books on food and is cranky.

  • tweal

    tweal said 6 years ago

    Interesting article. I'm somewhere between a foodie and non. I love food, I love cooking, and I love eating, but how and what I eat is such a small part of who I am that I don't want to label it in any way. If I say I'm a 'foodie' then people have certain expectations and I don't want that. I want to eat what I want to eat when I want to eat it, and it's really no one else's business. I think most of us spend far too much time focusing on what other people are eating instead of other much more important things in this world. Just my 2 cents :)

  • Ebrown2503

    Ebrown2503 said 6 years ago

    You can exist every day or you can live. You can accept food as a necessity, a tool, a vehicle for whatever goal you want, including a blog success (Julie & Julia) or you can use food as an art. Food is also an art and for some, a religion. If you don't believe food is art, watch this and delight in the gift of creativity!

  • bedouin

    bedouin said 6 years ago

    manga manga ~ enjoy what you eat ~ life is to short for discissions to heat ~ I think for the starving ~ the poor or the sick ~ would consider the word "foodie" a horrible trick!

  • bloomstreetvintage

    bloomstreetvintage said 6 years ago

    "Take All You Want, Eat All You Take" speaks as a caution to excess. Eat less and enjoy it more. Eat local products as much as possible. Eat at local restaurants, not at the franchise food mills of mega corporations. Shop at local groceries and shops, even if it costs a little bit more. Grow as much of your own food as you can. Look for local products. Food preparation is art and science. I had a dear friend who was a chef and she told me that food preparation is not just about the finished product. It was a sensual journey. The color, the texture, the smell and the taste is all part process and satisfaction can be found in each step of the process. If you are involved in the the total process, you know what you are putting into your body. If you are satisfying more of your senses, you also tend to eat less, which addresses the issue of excess. Then share your meal with friends and souls are fed as well. Be creative. The process is as important as the finished product in all aspects of life.

  • bedouin

    bedouin said 6 years ago

    Dope ~ I ruined my poem ~ discussion!

  • athenebelle

    athenebelle said 6 years ago

    A balance really ought to be reached. I've done taste tests between organic and non-organic foods (strawberries, banana and grapes) as well as between standard eggs and true free range eggs (I'm close enough to a "heritage farm" that I get the eggs straight from the farm... that's just context-not braggadocio) and for my family at least they prefer the organic/free-range. I appreciate the Atlantic article's effort to make sure there's a greater awareness of the process and inequality of being omnivores but sometimes it seems like that's actually rather difficult to balance and everyone's perspective is different.

  • lauritalaurita

    lauritalaurita said 6 years ago

    Absolutely a bourgeois preoccupation. We can afford to be foodies.

  • allisonmooney

    allisonmooney said 6 years ago

    We are big on organics, hormone/antibiotic free meats and no bpa/pvc/phthalates - especially since we've had 5 family members diagnosed with 5 different cancers in the last 8 months. That makes it hit home that we're doing things to ourselves and our foods that we shouldn't be doing and I'm hoping to help provide a differnt future for my daughter.

  • RandomWhimsy

    RandomWhimsy said 6 years ago

    I don't think I understand what is even going on here.

  • skybirdarts

    skybirdarts said 6 years ago

    There's nothing like getting out and getting your hands dirty growing food to make you appreciate it. I had a small farm and grew food for several families, as well as eggs. Most people just want to hand you some money and let you do all the sweaty, hard work. As the challenges of climate change, (droughts, floods,) rising oil prices (transportation,) diseases/pollution from "factory farms" and pressure on species increase, more people will, of necessity, have to grow their own. Having a relationship to the land and where your food comes from makes you truly grateful to have it, and enjoy it.

  • persimmonsgal

    persimmonsgal said 6 years ago

    Good fresh local food is always going to be better for you than shipped in processed food. I am a foodie because if possible I am interested in feeding my body the best food possible. I love to grow my food I love to cook and I love to eat what I cook so it is a passion. For anyone to tell me that the way I feel is wrong is just someone who has little or no passion in their life. If us foodies like what we do and eat and offend others then so be it. Why is it so hard to just allow others to live their lives as they choose without judgement?

  • BeanGolem

    BeanGolem said 6 years ago

    I fall into the "anti-inflammatory" diet group. This involves cutting out grains/legumes from my food intake. That's right. No wheat. No corn. No oats. No beans. I have no regrets. If there's one thing I've learned in my quest for health, it is that we have too many people, and (the seeds of) grains will never be a sustainable form of food. They aren't even food to begin with. Not for humans. Not for cows. If you really want to do a favor for your planet and ecosystem, stop eating grains.

  • Witchey

    Witchey said 6 years ago

    i think that food is nothing unless it is seasoned with passion. i don't care how much of a delicacy this or that food is if its not made with love but instead greed. i prefer quiet inexpensive restaurants with a crazy old woman in the back who's been cooking with the same amount of love and passion for her entire life. food is an emotional experience. they say what foodies feel is gluttony, but instead what i think they feel is a connection to every living thing when they enjoy good food. one thing i do know is that i am a foodie with a passion and no one has a right to tell me the passion i feel is wrong.

  • warponygallery

    warponygallery said 6 years ago

    Pollan basically has the right of it. Most Americans have the luxury to indulge in food rather than spend all their daily existence seeking it out. But, as a retired "grass-fed" cattle rancher I recommend that every American, in fact every person in the western industrialized world visit a factory farm, feed lot or--especially--a slaughter operation. Or, if that's not possible read Pollan's "Omnivore's Dilemma", at the very least take a look at the Humane Society's films of factory farms and slaughter facilities. When they have done this then let them speak of food. For anything to live something else must die, but a sense of respect for the fellow creatures of our struggling planet should pervade all the choices we make about how we sustain our individual lives. Not this frivolous fussing.

  • harvestcrafts

    harvestcrafts said 6 years ago

    Is this really something new? Foodies have existed since at least Roman times and probably since the beginning of agrarian, sedentary lifestyles emerged. Is it elitist? Yes and there are obvious contradictions within the foodie lifestyle. Perhaps since the focus on eating locally when possible, and therefore being environmentally conscious is part of the currrent foodie trend, followers tend to overlook the elitist aspect. Eating is one of the few crucial activities that sustain life for humans and that everyone must partake in on a regular basis to sustain that life. It is therefore one of the initial areas where conspicuous consumption is exemplified once a certain level of wealth/status is obtained. I think it will be this way for a while to come.

  • TheCookieClutch

    TheCookieClutch said 6 years ago

    I really dont have time to read a book on food because I am to busy eating!!! lol!!!

  • paperpenpoet

    paperpenpoet said 6 years ago

    I think the writer of the Atlantic article is failing to distinguish between gourmet foodies, who eat outrageous and outrageously expensive food for the show of it all, and foodies who actually just love to cook and eat good food. So when they point out the contradiction between people who shop at farmer's markets and then turn around and order an endangered fish -- those people are the exception.

  • ancagray

    ancagray said 6 years ago

    i do believe it is a luxury that we are in the position to have these conversations. although i was a child growing up during communism in romania, i do remember the struggles my parents had to go through to provide food for the family. with inadequate rations of basic staple foods being the only offering, families had no choice but to grow/raise a lot of their own produce and rely on local farmers and bartering for the rest of their sustenance. local, in season, organic and sustainable food was the only choice. how ironic that this is now a trendy way to eat in the u.s.!

  • PattiTrostle

    PattiTrostle said 6 years ago

    He says the culinary world is not an "art" and shouldn't be treated as such. __________ Sorry..I have to disagree!

  • sarahfood

    sarahfood said 6 years ago

    When did a culinary journalist ever say their weren't a glutton?

  • Amandaloveskurt

    Amandaloveskurt said 6 years ago

    I see nothing wrong with people being selective about what they eat. I think many people should be more selective, food is fuel for your body and highly processed foods filled with additives and corn syrup are the lowest grade fuel you can get. Just because a food is cheap does not mean it is good for you and vice versa. Just because something is expensive doesn't make it good. Just like many other things, with food you get what you pay for. But beyond fueling your body food can be good for you AND taste good. I eat healthy meals that I also enjoy, and I will always choose local farmers, markets, and restaurants, before going anywhere else. To me organic, less processed foods just taste better. I see nothing wrong with being a foodie, and I think Mr. Myers attack is quite unwarranted. If people want to eat food that is low and nutrients and taste that's their choice, I'll stick to my delicious and nutritious options even if it does cost me more money!


    MARYJOHN said 6 years ago

    Culinary arts are arts, indeed! Making something that alters your mood by engaging a sense is definitely an art! I just have to say that I like nerds... be them chemistry nerds, art nerds, history buffs, video game freaks, or food nerds. Loving and being interested in something so much that it guides your life at times is what makes life interesting. (My life, anyway) Perhaps being a foodie can be an elitist experiences, just as some artists and art critics are elitists, but food can't be made unapproachable by anyone, we're all hungry.

  • AnnTig

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  • MetroGypsy

    MetroGypsy said 6 years ago

    Hmmm...a very interesting read. The term foodie is a slang piece that's culturally being used like the term hipster, and generalizations can be dangerous, if not ignorant. Industrialized vs. Artisan: film @ 11.

  • cattuslavandula

    cattuslavandula said 6 years ago

    Reading this once more, I'm reminded of that old saying 'Those who can, do. Those who can't, become critics.'


    LANCERIKA said 6 years ago

    There was a time when people grew their own real food and it was healthier,less sickeness and cancer,less overweight concerns as well.Now,is like a giant explosion of too much garbage to choose from the huge supermarkets,it's really crazy!eat,eat,eat more of this pretty packaging plastic food!!great for your children! You don't have to be a fanatic,but it would be nice if we all could have a chance to eat better and feel a bit healthier,so we can live happier lives without stuffing ourselves silly:))

  • warriortwo

    warriortwo said 6 years ago

    I'm on the less snobbish end of the food spectrum, and find the "foodies" above (what's wrong with wanting to eat fresh, organic, delicious, blah blah) duly annoying. What's wrong with it is that it is a pain in the ass. Maybe not for wealthy Americans who can afford to live where Farmer's Markets are plenty (and have enough free time to attend them)and can afford to buy organic. Each report on the superiority--health or flavor-wise--of locally sourced organic foods serves to make us paranoid that anything less is going to kill us dead. The other aspect is that which Lancerika above me states, which is that there was some magical day when "food was healthier and there was less sickness and cancer". When was this, exactly? My Irish forebears nearly died in the potato famine. In fact, many people died of cholera, flu, smallpox, typhus, and other infectious diseases long before they would have lived long enough to get those diseases of the middle-aged. People with money and time on their hands love to fantasize about simpler times, but the fact is, a lot of infectious diseases were passed along by unsanitary food conditions, and famine was a very real possibility due to natural disasters and diseased crops. I'm not saying processed food is great, nor would I praise the wholesale disregard for humans and other sentient beings practiced by the fast food industry, just that not all of us have access to "fresh, wholesome, free-range, organic" foods, or the time or means to prepare them.

  • ladyshoes

    ladyshoes said 6 years ago

    There are certainly negatives to being a foodie, like dining in overpriced restaurants that trade in rare animal meats. But, like my favorite chef Jamie Oliver promotes, eating fresh, locally grown foods and cooking simple, nutritional meals at home can never be a bad thing. So if the foodie movement inspires more people to eat fresh food and less processed junk, then I'm all for it. As well, we should always try buying local, be it food or other goods to promote our communities.

  • poorjimsvintage

    poorjimsvintage said 6 years ago

    I think for respect of an animal your should eat all edible parts. Me being Native American and all.

  • rania

    rania said 6 years ago

    I certainly would NOT put Anthony Bourdain in this category. The guy hits up down-to-earth places in No Reservations(the ones most others are terrified to go to out of a desire to have a more 'antiseptic' dining experience). He's quite gritty and if anything is all about making the most of food in very earthy way. Meaning he uses all the 'nasty' he really should be left out of it. Plus, I love him :)

  • katemerrittdavis

    katemerrittdavis said 6 years ago

    let's hear is for stereotyping. dumping all those versions of what "foodie" might mean into one bucket is ridiculous. usually your locavore/ small farm supporter is out to eat sustainably and in some cases cook for herself, not to dine on an endangered species' tenderloin that costs an outrageous amount. it's not all about how much food costs.

  • tiialin

    tiialin said 6 years ago

    I don't think being a 'foodie' means the IT restaurant or trying every dish. To my point of view the author misses the point entirely. Speaking personally, I love food. I love the preparation of it. I love the eating of it. I love good food. That means the things I enjoy from chain restaurants, local dining spots, the things I make, my mom's cooking, snacks, etc. People who enjoy food are foodies. I buy organic and local when I can because I care about the earth. I don't consider that 'foodie', I consider it being it responsible. Foodie to me is about really enjoy how food tastes and acknowledging the work that goes behind it. I love my french fries as much as I love my honey-glazed salmon with rice pilaf. Low-brow or high it's just appreciating food. And for the record dessert in a lot of cases is always a religious experience.

  • FullSpiral

    FullSpiral said 6 years ago

    The author is trying to be provocative here - which is good, because this is a topic that needs to be talked about. Have we gone to far with our preoccupation with food? On the one hand, yes - I used to be a food writer, and personally I'm so sick of overblown food journalism. I avoid restaurants that have been lauded by critics. I'd rather discover the hidden gems for myself, not the places with the most stars but those where food is prepared and served with love. On the other hand, we have so far to go in educating people about how to grow, select and cook food that nourishes us body and soul. Good food needn't be fussy and elitist - but it should also be made from real, unadulterated ingredients and prepared with love whenever possible. I see eating and cooking as acts of love, both for ourselves and those whom we feed, therefore the goal is to make and eat foods that nurture the soul through taste and the body through nutrition.

  • artbymikeshaffer

    artbymikeshaffer said 6 years ago

    My wife and I find the excesses of certain chefs rather "amoral", for lack of a better word. Food is neither to be wasted, nor should food preparation be so outlandishly overblown. For heaven's sake, people, it's just FOOD, that's all. One needn't spend exorbitant amounts of money at a restaurant for a meal they could easily prepare for themselves at home, given a little effort and patience. Frankly, I couldn't be any more weary of seeing Rachel Ray's name and likeness on so many food items, books, and magazines. I shall never purchase a piece of cookware or cutlery with Emeril's name, or Bobby Flay's name, or Ina Garten's name, or anyone else's name related to the "food industry" emblazoned or otherwise affixed to it. While I appreciate various food networks, cooking shows, and web sites dedicated to food and food preparation, this business of "the search of food" is exhaustingly irritating. Ming's Quest? No thanks.

  • sarahknight

    sarahknight said 6 years ago

    To each their own...

  • CrossExtreme

    CrossExtreme said 6 years ago

    I'm not sure about the book itself, having not read it. But the whole "foodie" movement is gross and contrived.

  • Marumadrid

    Marumadrid said 6 years ago

    I eat to both fill my stomach and feel happy about what I eat. If you put too fancy stuff around this oh so human action, you're being kind of a snobby weirdo ;)

  • VintagedGoods

    VintagedGoods said 6 years ago

    thought provoking yes, but the earth growing cupcake loving vegetarian foodie in me will never seize to exist.

  • TinsAndThings

    TinsAndThings said 6 years ago

    "I *do* consider veganism elitist. It is entirely dependent on the industrial system of growing, harvesting, and distributing food and is completely ignorant of human dietary requirements--and I'm not talking about protein. (See previous para for a discussion of vitamin A, for just one example.) When former vegans say they were sick on the diet, they are not kidding." Please don't spread misinformation. For those interested in checking out accurate sources of info on vegan nutrition, I would recommend the sites of Jack Norris RD and Ginny Messina RD.

  • AngelicaV

    AngelicaV said 6 years ago

    I love food, I love to eat it and to cook it. What I don't love is reading about it, or writing about it. Whatever system of food growing you think you support, it has some issue with it. "Localvore"? What are you going to eat in January in Northern New Hampshire? Organic? do you know how many acres of land you need to deforest to feed the whole world organic? Vegan: Peta seems to care more about overworked donkeys in India than the people who have to use donkeys to help them get their work done.

  • NsewFabrics

    NsewFabrics said 6 years ago

    Trouble is we like to eat tooooooo much !!! aren't we supposed to eat to survive... but we usually fall into the survive to eat complex...

  • girliepains

    girliepains said 6 years ago

    Hmm.. !

  • rabbitdance

    rabbitdance said 6 years ago

    My opinion on various food choices/lifestyles/etc is one I use a lot in life. "Whatever floats your boat. Just don't sink mine." Maybe it's because I work with metal and frequently marvel at the mechanics of the human hand (have you ever really thought about how just that one part WORKS? It's amazing!), but I personally see food as fuel. Not to say I won't choose my husband's homemade curry over a frozen pizza, but I'm generally not picky. Everyone knows someone who will eat whatever's in that container in the back of the fridge, so long as it doesn't smell rancid or have mold on it. That person is me. My attitude towards food might also stem from the fact that I'm a terrible cook, despite growing up surrounded by great cooks who tried desperately to teach me, and who were very understanding when I set the cabinets on fire. Again. Lucky for me, my husband is AWESOME in the kitchen.

  • onesmallstar

    onesmallstar said 6 years ago

    one thing to know about BR Myers is he's a rabid vegetarian -- he absolutely rejects any violence toward animals, thus his moral food crusades against anyone who feels self-righteous eating "snout to tail" or local meat believing this excuses them from killing something for food when they don't have to. also: his target isn't your average "i-love-to-cook" considerate mindful eater, it's Gluttony (as the subhead says) -- mindless wasteful obsessive consumption, especially of endangered or rare animals. doesn't apply to most of us, i'd hope. the Atlantic usually posts something on both sides of an issue -- one response is here

  • DeeDeesDaughter

    DeeDeesDaughter said 6 years ago

    Loving food is a good thing. But with the prices lately, I guess I'll be 'loving' more mac & cheese and beenie-weenies. When a tomato is $2.00, green pepper $1.59 and a head of lettuce over $2.00 each (!) and they are NOT organic or from the US, what is someone on a very tight budget to do?

  • AmeliasPlace

    AmeliasPlace said 6 years ago

    There are some thought provoking responses. I must say, you are what you eat, no matter where you fall in this discussion. It's an old addage, but after working in healthcare for the last ten years I must believe that its the truth. I understand that the rising costs of food and other products is a hinderance to many people. Keep trying, keep looking, and spend a little time in the supermarket reading labels, looking for sales and use coupons. Even a little fresh fruit, vegetables, or meat is better than none. The cost of these things is far less than the cost of healthcare after a lifetime of eating poorly. The cost of diabetes, high blood pressure and obesity are outlandish! Support your local growers when you are able. I like knowing where my food comes from and the people that produce it. I like knowing that I am supporting my neighbors and my community.

  • stepbackink

    stepbackink said 6 years ago

    If there is one pot that man should not fill, it would be his belly and if it needs to be filled make sure it is organic otherwise one is better off hungry. :)

  • JKistlerStudios

    JKistlerStudios said 6 years ago

    We would all be healthier if *every* palate could no longer tolerate factory-farmed meat (full of chemicals and hormones, and fed unnaturally with corn and soy), corn syrup concoctions, and processed food-like stuff. But I would venture to say that most of us who are eating cleaner and healthier are NOT eating obscenely priced meals, gorging ourselves, and eating endangered animals!! Most of us have no desire, nor the income, to do so, and I am shocked that this would be equated with the population who rejects unhealthy industrialized food.

  • HouseOfMoss

    HouseOfMoss said 6 years ago

    I think there is room for both careful consumption and high appreciation of food. We need to remember to think carefully and act humbly, no matter what our personal conclusion is.

  • blevison Admin

    blevison said 6 years ago

    I saw this issue of The Atlantic at an airport news stand and meant to buy it; now I will. But all this makes me think about a quote from Harry Met Sally, which happened to have been on TV on Saturday night. Harry, Sally, and another couple are having dinner, and Sally's friend says, "I read the other day that restaurants are to the 80s what Theater was to the 1960s." I don't think things have changed ... I do feel like food is theater. It's just a different theater that's getting the attention these days - the Off off Broadway stuff and not as much the Broadway mega production (with the exception of Spiderman!)?

  • TheClayLoft

    TheClayLoft said 6 years ago

    I'm a wannabe foodie most days..too poor to see my dreams of dining and experiencing the world & all of its culinary gifts realised. I'm no wasteful biggit. I'm completely against animal cruelty, dirty transported produce, & coporate take over of our food with their monopolies..but then...its all happening...makes me want to watch Food Inc..all over again. I don't approve of making all foods so expensive that only certain "classes" may enjoy them...but..when something is it not indeed worth more? In my house..when a delicious meal is made, taken out of the oven and placed upon the family table..often times my husband will moan graciously, rub his belly then say...ah hun..take a picture.."this is absolute food porn." :) I love to love food..and do a lot of others.

  • AlpineGypsy

    AlpineGypsy said 6 years ago

    I'm not sure that I can comment specifically on the article mentioned, or the arguments being made on either side. But I do know that: ~ I love good fresh, home-cooked food ~ I consider myself to be a 'flexitarian' (sometimes I eat meat, but not regularly) ~ Chemicals in food suck ~ Food has become very political, in many complex ways. This is because we rely on others to provide it more and more. ~ It's within our grasp to take control of our food, and start eating real again. And even just growing herbs on a windowsill is a good jump on things. ~ Good food is sublime, and yes, I would say sometimes it CAN be an almost religious, when you bite into a dark flourless chocolate cake! HEAVENLY indeed! Thanks for the thought-provoking article. Heidi

  • LaughLand

    LaughLand said 6 years ago

    I have read only some of the posts above. But I am stunned at the passion and eloquence of the writers. I didn't realise food roused these emotions. I understand first hand that price is a big factor in many people's diet. That said, good basic food like rice, veges, eggs, milk can be cheaper than pre-prepared or fast food if you have the time. But I'm Australian. Don't know how our food prices compare.

  • beachcomberstudios

    beachcomberstudios said 6 years ago

    If the Atlantic wants to do some thought provoking, worthwhile journalism, perhaps they should explore why in the dawn of the 21st century, so many people in this country enter adulthood without a basic comprehension of how their body functions, how to feed their body a balanced healthy diet, and what kind of activity level will support and promote their health. I'm talking education. What has happened to health class... to home economics... to phys ed? It is criminal that the basic knowledge of how to take care of your physical self has slowly been erased from the public educational system. It is no wonder that we are having a health care crisis. Add insult to injury that folks like Michael Pollen and Alice Waters - who are attempting to explore the wholesomeness and impact of our food sources (Pollen), to reinstate food education and healthy food choices in schools (Waters) are demonized by this magazine. It comes to mind that an unhealthy, undernourished population is more easily led...

  • kristieb

    kristieb said 6 years ago

    Clearly the writer attacking Bourdain has never watched his show. He loves down home rustic food (and claims most chefs would choose that over fine dining) far more than the upscale fine dining that he eats in big cities. Does he and other foodies sensationalize food? Yes, but why not? We have been sensationalizing quality made clothes, art and music for centuries - why not let our palates have their time? Why can't eating an amazing meal (be it Thai street food or French fine dining) be as spiritual as listening to a hymn or viewing the statue of David? The joy of our senses is to be human. How can one attack foodies for making food inaccessible, but not attack gallery owners (and artists charging thousands a painting) for making art inaccessible. Quality art, be the medium food or paint takes care and talent. Not everyone can drink a fine wine nor can everyone experience kobe beef. That doesn't mean that a beer and cheap hamburger aren't just as fantastic. Any true foodie would be able to see the value in both. Possibly the writer only views food as sustenance? If so, I feel sorry for them. For to enjoy the finer things in life - even excess - on occasion is to live. Whether or not there are contradictions within the foodie community with eating local and then eating something rare and imported is a whole different can of worms that I am not willing to address.

  • PeteandPaul

    PeteandPaul said 6 years ago

    1. There are people dying from starvation, war, treatable illnesses, etc. everyday, so let's focus our energy on that. 2. Anthony Bourdain has an open disgust for "foodies" and just about everything else for that matter. 3. I think there are more important things happening in the world for people to be so self-righteous about their eating habits and judgmental about where and how others feed themselves.

  • TwoDirtyQueers

    TwoDirtyQueers said 6 years ago

    I would like to note that food has become (and has been for a long time) a very classist institution. While some people may wonder why products with TBHQ, high-fructose corn syrup and artificial god-knows-what are still flying off the shelves, it is because some people don't have the money to afford it. However, I am really, really poor, and I have learned that you do not need a lot of money to eat well. You can buy a box of twinkies or a pound (or more) or organic broccoli for three bucks. I think there is this myth perpetuated by companies that peddle junk food that you can only eat cheap food if its loaded with preservatives and refined sugars. I also think that many of the worst foods marketed towards low income families especially highlight convenience. If you work two jobs and have four children, chances are you don't generally have time to cook a lot of meals. I've seen public service announcements about how families that sit at a table together and eat are happier/healthier but this is a very classist statement. Not all families are together at 6pm every night to eat dinner or have time to do it. I think it is important to examine the socio-economic influences that affect our nation's culinary culture.

  • pinecone718

    pinecone718 said 6 years ago

    Isn't it like any other human pursuit: existing on a spectrum of effort and dedication? Like fashion, to some people they are just clothes, to others they are an art form. The people who push the edges, push the middle one way or the other as well. So foodies are expanding what the middle finds acceptable. That, to me, is good.

  • ohbuckets

    ohbuckets said 6 years ago

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  • KarahS

    KarahS said 6 years ago

    I couldn't read the full article because it started with a MAJOR ASSUMPTION about the readers. The worst thing about some foodies is the promotion of gluttony. Forget the politics and reminiscences of childhood. You can not have it all though the television diet tries to convince us we CAN (sponsored by various diabetic products and cholesterol pills and diet plans).

  • FreshUrbanVintage

    FreshUrbanVintage said 6 years ago

    I only want to not be hungry. I've too much to do to bother spending time cooking. Cereal, yogurt, toast- all perfectly respectable items for dinner. I just blogged about this topic recently, as my mil moved in and wants to make a production of dinner EVERY night!

  • goicoechea

    goicoechea said 6 years ago

    That person has sooooo missed the point. Michel Pollan is all about your HEALTH. Not eating farm factory meat isn't about the taste, it is about cruelty of animals, and again, human health. Watch Food Inc and see how those cows are treated. If you one doesn't care about cows, then you can see how disgusting it is, the whole process - and this is food to put in your mouth. Plus all the antibiotics they give them, that goes to the human too. I strongly doubt Michal Pollan would eat endangered species. I think the author is getting everybody's views mixed up. Those people eating shark fin soup and tiger, those are not the same people of the slow food movement (don't deplete soil), or from Chez Panisse (eat local). I usually like the Atlantic, but this article isn't even provocative, it is just stupid.

  • TinsAndThings

    TinsAndThings said 6 years ago

    PeteandPaul says: 1. There are people dying from starvation, war, treatable illnesses, etc. everyday, so let's focus our energy on that. 3. I think there are more important things happening in the world for people to be so self-righteous about their eating habits and judgmental about where and how others feed themselves. If all the crops grown to feed livestock were instead meant for human consumption, we could feed millions of people. So I think looking at what we eat and why is very important and precisely what we should be focusing our energy on. Oh, and let's not forget protecting the environment, improving human health and reducing animal suffering. All important things in my opinion.

  • MichaelsRosaries

    MichaelsRosaries said 6 years ago

    > Myers’s point is that the media’s coverage of food remains an insiders’ game. Foodies write for other foodies. It's the same for other spheres. For example, political journalists write for other political journalists. Once a fad or a notion (of any kind) is introduced into a sphere, the writers will jump on the bandwagon until that fad or notion has played out. Sometimes it takes months, other times years. Sometimes you just wish the writers would move on to the next subject, but they just won't let go...proverbially beating the dead horse.

  • FullSpiral

    FullSpiral said 6 years ago

    Interesting response to this piece, for perspective: Apparently B.R. Myers is a vegan and animal rights activist, so that certainly colours his disdain towards the meat-centric world of gourmet food.

  • TinsAndThings

    TinsAndThings said 6 years ago

    "I *do* consider veganism elitist. It is entirely dependent on the industrial system of growing, harvesting, and distributing food and is completely ignorant of human dietary requirements--and I'm not talking about protein. (See previous para for a discussion of vitamin A, for just one example.) When former vegans say they were sick on the diet, they are not kidding." Please don't spread misinformation. Check out Jack Norris RD and Ginny Messina RD for accurate information on vegan nutrition. Thanks.

  • PinkPlastic666

    PinkPlastic666 said 6 years ago

    I seem to remember an article on about young chruch goers are more likely to be obese.

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