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Aug 25, 2011

by Danielle Tsi

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I had my first taste of fresh milk from a Jersey cow at Paicines Ranch earlier this year. Milk isn’t a big part of my diet, but sampling this glass packed with the rich flavor of pure, unadulterated cream was enough for me to rethink my position on milk consumption.

In industry parlance, what I had was a glass of “raw milk,” or milk that hasn’t been pasteurized (wherein milk is heated to a specific temperature for a period of time to kill pathogens). Raw milk, and its derived products – butter, cream, yogurt and cheese – has legions of devoted fans advocating its nutritional benefits, which are said to help to boost the immune system. It’s a product that, by its very nature, is quintessentially local. It’s not made for cross-country treks to grocery aisles; it’s meant to be consumed from farmers whose practices you know and trust.

However, raw dairy has become a battleground in recent years, pitting food safety regulations against a grassroots movement. Regulators want to protect the public from pathogenic bacteria that cause diseases such as tuberculosis, salmonella and listeria. But proponents argue that the pasteurization process kills beneficial proteins and enzymes essential for maintaining digestive health.

Considering that just three percent of California’s population consumes raw milk and that it’s currently illegal to buy or purchase raw milk in all but 25 states, it would be pertinent to question regulators’ interest in this food item, on the pretext of food safety, when factory farms and other farming dangers exist (remember the salmonella egg recall of 2010?). One can’t help but wonder: Is the debate about raw milk really about food safety, or just a guise for market politics?

Leading the charge for the raw milk camp is Mark McAfee, CEO of the Organic Pastures Dairy Company, one of the two raw milk dairies in California (Claravale Farm being the other). A third-generation farmer based in Fresno, Mark took over the family’s dairy business in 1996, after a career as a paramedic. He immediately sought organic certification for the business, which became a full raw milk dairy in 2001. Today the company has a herd of 430 cows grazing on 500 acres of pasture and distributes its products to 400 stores, 17 markets and 15 buyers’ clubs throughout the state.

Organic Pastures’ milk originates in an environment filled with “yogurt-like bacteria,” which makes the raw milk “alive” with beneficial bacteria, in Mark’s words. “80 percent of immune health comes from the biodiversity of bacteria that live in your gut,” he said. “If you don’t have enough diversity, you compromise the strength of your immune system, which leads to a whole host of other problems.”

He added, “Pasteurized milk is an excuse for ‘dopey’ milk. When a dairyman gets rewarded for producing good raw milk, you get a consistently good product, you get sustainability, you get good, organic pastures.”

Because of raw milk’s delicate position on the spectrum of food safety, Organic Pastures has faced a series of lawsuits in connection with E.Coli sickness, subjecting the company to shutdowns, product recalls and numerous tests of their pasture and cows’ manure to detect the offending pathogen, E. Coli 0157:H7. They came out clean.

But they aren’t the only players who’ve had their business disrupted by regulators. Rawesome, a private raw food buying club in Southern California, has seen their share of raids as well, most recently in early August.

Mark said, “Farms without the right farming processes shouldn’t be trusted to produce acceptable raw milk, but at Organic Pastures, we’ve taken exceptional precautions. All our cows are 100 percent grass-fed and we’ve implemented special clean-milking procedures that guard against contamination.”

“We are in an educational war,” he continued. “It’s a battle for the hearts and minds of consumers, a civil rights uprising of nutritional rights. Everyone is fighting for the right to eat food that’s good for them.”

It looks like this battle isn’t going to end anytime soon. Mark, along with a host of experts on family medicine and nutrition, recently launched the Raw Milk Institute, a non-profit geared toward helping individual dairy farmers produce raw milk safely, based on California’s strict standards for milk production.

Regardless of whether you believe in its benefits, the raw milk debate affects all of us. More than an industry spat, it lies at the very core of the quest for a local and sustainable food system. Because raw milk farmers don’t rely on pasteurization to prepare the product for market, all the work goes into tending the land to create the perfect ecosystem for the production of quality milk. The end result is healthy pastures (as a source of nourishment) and sustainable herd sizes — as many cows as the land can take. It’s a mode of production based entirely on a farmer’s integrity and respect for his herd, his land and his customers, with whom he’s built a relationship over time. These are the building blocks for the “local food” movement: one that is talked about often, but practiced far too rarely.

Would you consider drinking raw milk?  Where do you get your dairy? 

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6 Featured Comments

  • joannerowan

    joannerowan said 4 years ago Featured

    When I was little, we lived in England, and the milk and eggs were delivered from the farms in the morning. The milk came in glass bottles, and the cream would be floating on the top in a thick layer- it was delicious. The eggs would still have feathers sticking to them. There was much more of a feeling of connection to the source of our food than kids have now, which is a very important aspect in itself. To dictatoroftheworld- human beings lived on milk for thousands of years before pasteurization was invented. I think it's important to know the practices of the farmer you are buying from, but then, I feel the same way about all of the food we eat. I would feel safer (and happier) allowing my children to drink natural, raw milk than a fast food burger, any day.

  • FunDeco

    FunDeco said 4 years ago Featured

    I think, if we really took a step back and thought about it, we'd realize that the FDA can't really do the job of pretecting our food supply, at least not very well, and it's proved it can't do it. It's just gotten too big, and too far away. Sure, people may get sick on occasion from raw milk. But how many times in recent years can you remember when FDA approved things made people sick? Lots. If the government left us alone, and we stopped relying on their "safety" guidelines, it wouldn't take long for all of us to be more informed, more proactive. And with local farmers answering their patrons to their face, we'd have a much safer food supply. But regardless of your personal ideas about raw milk, it boils down to freedom. Thanks for researching this article. It's very informative.

  • Tutos

    Tutos said 4 years ago Featured

    Having milked a few cows, sheep, and goats in my youth, I understand the caution - if the teats aren't totally clean and the first draws are put in the bucket, or even if the animal is sick, you're looking at some pretty nasty stuff, that can cause a host of ugly illnesses. Family farms may be "green", but no farm is a clean place. I only drink raw milk from farmers that I know personally, and only very fresh at that. Unless pasturized, I make butter of any left over.

  • DeepBlueSun

    DeepBlueSun said 4 years ago Featured

    I was a herdsman and worked on many dairies small and large, clean and not clean. I have seen cows that appeared fine drop dead right after being milked because of systemic infection that the carefullest of milkers could miss as they moved cows through the milk parlor. I have seen cows with gangrenous udders milked right into the tank by hurried milkers. My mother a nurse remembers the epidemic mycobacterium bovis that afflicted hundreds of children that drank unpasteurized milk. In the cleanest of milk parlors the milker can get kicked off and suck up manure & urine from the floor. Yes, people have drunk unpasteurized milk for thousands of years, and many have died from it. Keeping one or two cows clean & healthy is one thing. Get more and it gets really hard. Fresh milk does taste better, but pasteurize it on your stove top & it will still taste just as good and still has the cream on it. If you want raw milk buy a cow if you can and minimize your risk by keeping it clean and healthy.

  • vintagejenta

    vintagejenta said 4 years ago Featured

    Although I've never had raw milk, I do wish they would sell non-homogenized milk. And I think the prosecution of small-scale raw milk producers is absolutely ridiculous. Where are the SWAT teams at Smythfield processing plants? And where were they when that plant in Atlanta was shipping out peanut butter (PEANUT BUTTER!) laden with salmonella?! Based on this, it's all about politics. When the feds start prosecuting/arresting/shutting down/intimidating big agribusiness and processors for poor sanitary conditions (a CAFO makes much more E.Coli than an organic raw milk farm), I'll consider supporting their efforts against raw milk producers. Until then? No way!

  • Julez7Jewelz

    Julez7Jewelz said 4 years ago Featured

    I find it interesting the regulators are willing to step in only in instances where there will be immediate short term side effects such as getting sick from certain organisms in your milk, yet will just merrily go on their way when it comes to the more long term issues with the rest of the food supply such as the hydrogenated oils, high fructose corn syrup, MSG and other food additives that end up being toxic and leading to long term health issues. GO LOCALLY PRODUCED ORGANIC FOOD MOVEMENT!!! It's not too expensive.. you just have to make it a priority.

310 comments

  • lauraprentice

    lauraprentice said 4 years ago

    I would definitely buy raw milk if it was available to buy (illegal in MN)

  • paramountvintage

    paramountvintage said 4 years ago

    great article. i try to include raw and whole foods into my diet as much as possible. i will definitely try raw milk... yummy :)

  • GardenApothecary

    GardenApothecary said 4 years ago

    raw milk is so yummy... and those Jersey cows are adorable... big beautiful eyes!

  • JustDangles

    JustDangles said 4 years ago

    I grew up on raw milk! It was always the tastiest and best. I never got sick from it, have a great immune system and have not broken a bone yet despite how rough I've been throughout my life! I think that raw milk should be available to whomever wants it. Nothing yummier...When I visit home, I always have a 'fresh squeezed' gallon of milk to bring back to the city with me.

  • katherinejoy

    katherinejoy said 4 years ago

    This was a very interesting and insightful article. I've never even though about raw milk, but I would definitely try it. I use farm-fresh eggs whenever I get the chance (Indiana Amish country) so I wouldn't be against trying milk, too!

  • HoneysuckleLane

    HoneysuckleLane said 4 years ago

    Around here, we never called it raw milk, just plain "cow's milk" but I prefer it over "store bought milk" any day! We have family members who have their own milk cow and we get milk once in a while from them. The cream off the top and the homemade butter is delicious! Our household goes through several gallons of milk per week and my husband and I have recently been talking about buying our own Jersey milk cow. We already grow and put up a variety of vegetables for the winter, and at times we have had chickens (for the eggs ~ I can't eat a chicken that I have named). We'd love to provide our family with more food products that we know what went into them and from whence they came.

  • MootiDesigns

    MootiDesigns said 4 years ago

    Great article. Thank you for sharing.

  • greyedout

    greyedout said 4 years ago

    I like raw milk, and we go through a gallon a week. I find it ludicrous that raw milk gets the same treatment in California as hard drugs do - there's absolutely no reason to "raid" a raw milk buying club with dozens of agents and SWAT team members. If someone wants to buy and drink raw milk, let them. It's not addictive, it's safe for human consumption, and it tastes great. It's important to know where your milk comes from, sure - but I feel like this should be important for the rest of your food as well.

  • sparrowgrey

    sparrowgrey said 4 years ago

    Informative article. I've never had raw milk myself, being lactose intolerant, but I've heard great things about it.

  • PeachyKeenCreations

    PeachyKeenCreations said 4 years ago

    Jealous! I would definitely try. I've always heard it tastes better. :)

  • TheIDconnection

    TheIDconnection said 4 years ago

    Grew up on big farm in Ohio helped milk the dairy cow every day. There is nothing like fresh cream and butter from the cow. I miss the simple things from the old days. Great post. Monica TheIDConnection

  • violintide

    violintide said 4 years ago

    I've never tasted fresh, raw milk before, but I'm curious. I'll have to seek some out one of these days.

  • KettleConfections

    KettleConfections said 4 years ago

    I would love to try raw milk - wish there are farms we can visit to milk cows and have fresh raw milk.

  • jammerjewelry

    jammerjewelry said 4 years ago

    Wonderful article, nothing better than raw milk or fresh churned butter.

  • myvintagecrush

    myvintagecrush said 4 years ago

    Hmmm...not sure, I have issues with drinking milk period.. But I do purchase from a local dairy I found and their products taste soooo good!

  • tangledtreefarm

    tangledtreefarm said 4 years ago

    Yay! I love to hear pro responsible small farming articles! We raise milk and fiber goats and myself, my farm partner and all five of my children drink fresh, raw goats milk on a daily basis. We get up to milk every morning and I make buttermilk and cheese and yogurt and all that too. Maybe a cow one day? But goats are so pleasant and ecenomical...Yay for raw milk!

  • AliceCloset

    AliceCloset said 4 years ago

    So yummy!!! I love raw milk ^__^ Especially with corn flakes ;D I often buy milk by local seller!

  • PoppyandPearlCo

    PoppyandPearlCo said 4 years ago

    .. great article! Raw milk is THE BEST :) Our family loves it. ..

  • flabbergastbanana

    flabbergastbanana said 4 years ago

    going against the grain here, but I can't stand milk...the aftertaste is nasty.. I love almond milk tho. however I am all about small farmers' rights and less government nannying when it comes to food!

  • sonyarasi

    sonyarasi said 4 years ago

    Grew up drinking it on my uncle's farm. What a treat!

  • ComfyCozyChelsea

    ComfyCozyChelsea said 4 years ago

    For years I had struggled with digestive problems, doctors diagnosing me with IBS, and saying it was all do to stress.I stopped eating gluten (wheat) for two years to try to figure it out. I started thinking outside the box and joined the raw milk train. I drink a glass a day, and I can now properly digest everything! Even wheat products! It works, milk is medicine y'all!

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  • IndyColeman

    IndyColeman said 4 years ago

    I too grew up on 'cows milk'. I know it is beneficial health wise. Most recently my husband has experienced some of the symptoms of 'lactose intolerance'. Maybe we should try it again. I have at times bought raw cow's milk but only in those specialty stores. The cost is one big factor that keeps me from buying it routinely. Wishing Mark McAfee much success in his efforts.

  • homemadegoodness

    homemadegoodness said 4 years ago

    It's illegal to sell or buy raw milk in Ohio, too, but we get around that by becoming "shareholders" and have been getting raw milk every week for the past 3 years. We pay $30/month which covers costs to our farmer and in turn get a gallon weekly. I love it....nothing like cream on the top and having the REAL thing. God made it the we should consume it, no human tampering necessary (unless the farmers are unclean).

  • NecessiTees

    NecessiTees said 4 years ago

    I'm looking forward to trying raw milk now too:) Thanks for the interesting article!

  • dictatoroftheworld

    dictatoroftheworld said 4 years ago

    I'm sorry but I am a science major and I don't buy this a bit. It does not sound healthy and if it has any benefits they are probably marginal at best. I support buying local and healthy living but drinking raw milk! You could get Ecoli, Listeria, or Salmonella.Even if the farmer does his or her best at sanitation this may not be enough all animals carry bacteria and are constantly fighting off infections. Even if the animal is not harmed by a bacteria if you drink the milk from it your immune system may not be able to fight it off. I do believe that there was reason pasteurization was invented and before I would buy any of your claims. I would need peer reviewed research. Be safe and be smart.

  • margotbianca

    margotbianca said 4 years ago

    i'm not totally opposed to it. i buy from a small local organic dairy. however, i will say that a close friend of mine recently got ecoli from drinking raw milk and it was not a picnic. it really is a risk, and the consequences can be big. so, be sure to know where yours is coming from, and how it was processed.

  • thebeadedlily

    thebeadedlily said 4 years ago

    Politics-- sadly it's *always* about politics. Whether we're talking about what we can buy or what we can't.

  • wishflowervintage

    wishflowervintage said 4 years ago

    I eat raw cheese but can't find raw milk in my area-- le sigh. :/ I completely support raw milk though and have for some time. Those skeptical due to science-related facts should really check out the science behind raw milk improving our digestive health. -^_^- Thanks, this is a great article.

  • EclecticOrnaments

    EclecticOrnaments said 4 years ago

    How INTERESTING! Aren't social movements FUN??

  • heatherglnapothecary

    heatherglnapothecary said 4 years ago

    Thank you for sharing this! I would love to be able to buy raw milk, if it was available in our area. I think alot of problems/allergies to certain foods could be avoided if less-processed food was more readily available. It's a shame!

  • BarbaraWoltmannPhoto

    BarbaraWoltmannPhoto said 4 years ago

    Very interesting...

  • rozzie

    rozzie said 4 years ago

    Informative. Thanks for the article! Will be looking locally to see what is available and what other people in my community think.

  • LittleWrenPottery

    LittleWrenPottery said 4 years ago

    I've had raw cheese before but as a consumer it makes me nervous. In the back of my mind I just always think there's a good reason why there established practices....

  • GypsyIntent

    GypsyIntent said 4 years ago

    One does not need to wonder. The criminalization of raw milk is not about food safety and is indeed political.

  • joannerowan

    joannerowan said 4 years ago Featured

    When I was little, we lived in England, and the milk and eggs were delivered from the farms in the morning. The milk came in glass bottles, and the cream would be floating on the top in a thick layer- it was delicious. The eggs would still have feathers sticking to them. There was much more of a feeling of connection to the source of our food than kids have now, which is a very important aspect in itself. To dictatoroftheworld- human beings lived on milk for thousands of years before pasteurization was invented. I think it's important to know the practices of the farmer you are buying from, but then, I feel the same way about all of the food we eat. I would feel safer (and happier) allowing my children to drink natural, raw milk than a fast food burger, any day.

  • puck513

    puck513 said 4 years ago

    I would love to try it...

  • wahlrus

    wahlrus said 4 years ago

    Very interesting article- something to think about for sure! Can you get all these good things from yogurt, though? Isn't that why yogurt is supposed to be a part of your diet- for the digestive health and all? I know I feel better with it in my diet.... EtsyLove from, Jamie & John

  • vitamini

    vitamini said 4 years ago

    I've grown up eating fresh eggs, home grown veggies, and sometimes goats milk. It really is terrible how huge, government subsidized corporations are making the standard for food production. Ever seen Food, Inc.? The raw milk debate is totally about politics.

  • turtlegrassbody

    turtlegrassbody said 4 years ago

    My husband grew up on a farm and that's all they drank. I just looked online and we have a co-op that buys from a farm in Lancaster that my father-in-law works at! Small world!

  • FunDeco

    FunDeco said 4 years ago Featured

    I think, if we really took a step back and thought about it, we'd realize that the FDA can't really do the job of pretecting our food supply, at least not very well, and it's proved it can't do it. It's just gotten too big, and too far away. Sure, people may get sick on occasion from raw milk. But how many times in recent years can you remember when FDA approved things made people sick? Lots. If the government left us alone, and we stopped relying on their "safety" guidelines, it wouldn't take long for all of us to be more informed, more proactive. And with local farmers answering their patrons to their face, we'd have a much safer food supply. But regardless of your personal ideas about raw milk, it boils down to freedom. Thanks for researching this article. It's very informative.

  • DaniMakes

    DaniMakes said 4 years ago

    I had raw milk when I was a child in the south of Chile, and most recently in my last visit home. However, since having it in 2007, my stomach is now unable to process large quantities of dairy. I had to switch to soy milk now. I think it is good and healthy to eat less processed foods, but we need to ease in to them. I think my body just wasn't ready to process the raw milk, since I was so used to pasteurized. Make sure your body has the chance to adjust to the changes as you go.

  • CaduceusNeckwear

    CaduceusNeckwear said 4 years ago

    I have a colleague who eats only raw food (including red meat, poultry, and dairy), and has never gotten any disease from his diet. However, he is very conscientious about where he gets his dairy, meat, and eggs. Not only does he eat raw food, he intentionally rots meat and curdles dairy and eats that, too. His claim is that most disease comes from a lack of good bacteria in the system, as well as unhealthy tissues. While the raw meat/ rotted meat thing is not for me at this point, I have to say that his claims certainly pull weight with me...he's been eating this way for 9 years and is far healthier than I am, despite being twice my age; not only that, but he looks 20 years younger than he is. It's hard to argue with physical evidence, anecdotal though it is, like that. The reason I bring this up is because we've talked quite a bit about raw dairy. He used to be lactose intolerant, and yet has never had a problem drinking raw milk and eating raw dairy products like cheese and butter. I've had raw cheese, and there isn't that weird aftertaste that you typically get with cheese; I imagine it's probably the same with milk. The aftertaste comes from the dead microorganisms in pasteurized dairy, I think. And of course there's a reason pasteurization is standard...sadly it has nothing to do with public safety in the noble sense. It's standard because it makes inferior milk "safe" enough to drink. And inferior milk is what you get when you factory farm. And factory farming is what you do when you want to make a lot of money. So, sure it makes milk "safe", but it also creates a safeguard for sick animals and inferior product...it essentially enables factory farming, and uncleanliness, because there's a stopgap. The factory farm corporations don't have to care, because all the illness their cows have get boiled away in pasteurization (along with the taste and any benefits the milk may have had). Pasteurized milk is dead milk, and dead food is not ever particularly good for you.

  • Bmbyx

    Bmbyx said 4 years ago

    I grew up on raw milk. After immigrating to the US I can no longer consume dairy products. Pasteurized, reduced fat, enriched..... there is less milk than additives in the store bought milk. Happy to see that raw milk can be found in the US. :o)

  • GramaMoms

    GramaMoms said 4 years ago

    we raise dairy goats. We drink the raw milk all the time. We have a goat that at peak performance 3 gallons a DAY! We can only drink so much, we sell it people who rescue animals but don't drink it. Once our freezer is full of milk I start throwing it to the chickens. You have NO idea how hard it is to throw away raw milk that could be used by adults & children who have dairy allergies. I've made goat milk cream cheese & mozzarella cheese it tastes yummy & melts perfect & I can't share it. If you visit the farm and see that it's clean and aren't worried about dirty milk, you should be able to buy if you want. The main issue in my personal opinion is proof of milk production and taxing it. I might be wrong~ but if they approve diet pills that can kill you why can't you choose to drink raw milk.... I'm just sayin' No milk or egg off my property has made anyone sick... but "theirs" has... I'm just sayin' : ) That's my rant for the week Thanx for listening.

  • michelinec

    michelinec said 4 years ago

    Hi, I had the real stuff from my Aunts Dairy farm in Northern Quebec when I was a child and well I never got sick from it. There is not like it. Great article thanks for this.

  • OxOriginalArtJewelry

    OxOriginalArtJewelry said 4 years ago

    I totally agree we have too many rules and regulations! We had a milk cow when my children were growing up. We all enjoyed the milk, cream and butter made in a blender. My grandson now gives us eggs fresh off the farm. I like to make my own decisions about what to eat and who to buy it from.

  • vacationvintage

    vacationvintage said 4 years ago

    Yay! I love raw milk! I cannot consume pasteurized milk without getting sick to my stomach and intestinal distress. Raw milk is no problem! It's amazing and I drink it every day..go through about a gallon a week! Check out this website to find a dairy in your area where you can obtain this delicious, sacred food: http://www.realmilk.com/

  • rocknrecycle

    rocknrecycle said 4 years ago

    My neighbor gives me a pint every now and then when she has more then she can sell. Wow it is so wonderful in flavor and makes me feel so good. Great to help you sleep. Milk at the store has no taste to me now, like drinking water. If I did get sick someday, I feel it is just a risk that I am more then willing to take. Using raw milk for sauces is particularly awesome!

  • MyWisteriaCottage

    MyWisteriaCottage said 4 years ago

    Let a lot of others here I drank raw milk as a child and was myself indistructable as were my 7 brothers and sisters. I bought raw goats milk for my baby who could not drink stuff from a store and he too thrived on the raw. Cost is a big drawback. If prices were the same I would not even think about store bought milk.

  • freshplatypusmilk

    freshplatypusmilk said 4 years ago

    Farm kids like me will be the first to jump in defense of fresh milk rather than store milk, but we'd also point out that the health and sanitation conditions for three or four cows vs three or four hundred cows are very different logistics. everyone wants large scale production to be safest for the weakest immune system, why not just get a goat?

  • KawaiiBits

    KawaiiBits said 4 years ago

    I looooovee raw milk. It's so creamy and sweet. Nothing compares, really.

  • echogems

    echogems said 4 years ago

    Growing up on a dairy farm, raw milk was the only milk we had. I remember tasting the cartons of pasteurized milk at school and thinking how "funny" it tasted. Raw was so much tastier! We also made fresh butter and cottage cheese from it. Yum! Years later, the family farm is a part of history and I haven't local access to raw milk (at least that I am aware of). Reading this post makes me want to get out there and find a farm though. Or, check out vacationvintage's suggestion of realmilk.com!

  • SimpleAndDelicious

    SimpleAndDelicious said 4 years ago

    Ridiculous! It's not illegal to sell or eat raw chicken- even though that would be harmful to consume raw, but it's illegal to sell raw milk? Hmm...

  • amberike

    amberike said 4 years ago

    Sounds yucky to me.

  • AzuiltDesign

    AzuiltDesign said 4 years ago

    This is interesting. I've never had 'raw' milk - but I'd be willing to try now.

  • andiespecialtysweets

    andiespecialtysweets said 4 years ago

    Happy to see this. Raw milk is the best!

  • isewcute

    isewcute said 4 years ago

    It shouldn't be illegal to sell or buy raw milk & should be left up to the consumer whether or not they want it.

  • mrstrinidadmd

    mrstrinidadmd said 4 years ago

    I'm going to buy some this weekend.

  • MargaretLS

    MargaretLS said 4 years ago

    The other problem with making raw milk illegal is it drives lots of cheese and cream makers out of business, even if the creameries and cheese makers pasteurize their milk to the temps they need it once they get it. Large scale milk farming doesn't leave enough cream for lots of products because even whole milk has only 3.5-5% of the cream left in it. It's a way to make sure small cheese and cream business never over take the large dairy corps making nasty flavorless yogurt and cheese. You can't get milk with the right amounts of cream from the factories.

  • SunnyDayDiggs

    SunnyDayDiggs said 4 years ago

    An educational war indeed...grew up "brainwashed" into one kind of thinking about the food I was eating. Now working hard to change the direction of that. Now, "hungry" to learn about what is good and natural for myself and my family. Wonderful post!!!!! Thank you.

  • Bmbyx

    Bmbyx said 4 years ago

    Thank you, vacationvintage, for the link, I already saved it !

  • freesamplethief

    freesamplethief said 4 years ago

    sounds interesting i may try to get some next time im in pasadena

  • werblessed1s

    werblessed1s said 4 years ago

    Thanks God for farmer's markets and fresh food markets that carry raw milk. =)

  • prillarguri1976

    prillarguri1976 said 4 years ago

    Go to your local dairy and buy pasturized milk. Raw milk, imo, is gross!!!!

  • Tutos

    Tutos said 4 years ago Featured

    Having milked a few cows, sheep, and goats in my youth, I understand the caution - if the teats aren't totally clean and the first draws are put in the bucket, or even if the animal is sick, you're looking at some pretty nasty stuff, that can cause a host of ugly illnesses. Family farms may be "green", but no farm is a clean place. I only drink raw milk from farmers that I know personally, and only very fresh at that. Unless pasturized, I make butter of any left over.

  • OnlyOriginalsByAJ

    OnlyOriginalsByAJ said 4 years ago

    I grew up in Wisconsin and used to farm....a lot, so I really appreciate this article! And I have to say, I'm a fan of raw milk, and cheese curds :)

  • sarahknight

    sarahknight said 4 years ago

    Why reject science? Listeria, Salmonella, E. coli, bovine tuberculosis and brucellosis are reasons enough not to. Is the next article going to be quack science against immunization? Or perhaps Etsy can promote the use of outhouses over modern sewage control? I'll take Pasteurized any day and every day.

  • BestDressedJewelry

    BestDressedJewelry said 4 years ago

    It is excellent that Etsy is promoting awareness about these issues. If you don't drink milk, perhaps this article can inspire you to grow some of your own food and you can grow a lot in a small greenhouse. This practice seems to be more prevalent in other countries. Once you get a system going, it will be a wonderful supplement to your diet and you won't have to take so many bottled supplements!

  • twentyseven27soap

    twentyseven27soap said 4 years ago

    Thanks for the post. We milked our own goats for raw milk for years- and not only was the milk incredible, it never became rancid like pasteurized milk does. We made cheese, dulce de leche, soap (of course!), and all other manner of treats out of our excess milk. Having said that, I agree with the above post that I would only ever purchase raw milk from farms I have personally toured and witnessed their milking process. It is absolutely possible to milk clean and keep contaminates from entering raw milk. It's not easy- but well worth it. Hats off to dairies willing to undertake the extra work in order to offer a healthier product.

  • bjhissong

    bjhissong said 4 years ago

    My family only drinks raw milk. My husband grew up on a dairy farm where they drank it all the time and it wasn't under the conditions that raw milk providers must follow. No one ever got sick from it. I was a city girl and for a long time I refused to drink it. But then I became educated and I could never imagine buying pasteurized and homogenized milk again. I thought I was lactose intolerant-- it was just the homogenization. It is amazing how many people are afraid of real food when they should be afraid of all the unnatural things that food manufacturers are doing to the food and how our body reacts to that. How many people do you know who drink Coca-cola products and people never question why they are ingesting all those chemicals?!

  • DeepBlueSun

    DeepBlueSun said 4 years ago Featured

    I was a herdsman and worked on many dairies small and large, clean and not clean. I have seen cows that appeared fine drop dead right after being milked because of systemic infection that the carefullest of milkers could miss as they moved cows through the milk parlor. I have seen cows with gangrenous udders milked right into the tank by hurried milkers. My mother a nurse remembers the epidemic mycobacterium bovis that afflicted hundreds of children that drank unpasteurized milk. In the cleanest of milk parlors the milker can get kicked off and suck up manure & urine from the floor. Yes, people have drunk unpasteurized milk for thousands of years, and many have died from it. Keeping one or two cows clean & healthy is one thing. Get more and it gets really hard. Fresh milk does taste better, but pasteurize it on your stove top & it will still taste just as good and still has the cream on it. If you want raw milk buy a cow if you can and minimize your risk by keeping it clean and healthy.

  • SunSoakedDays

    SunSoakedDays said 4 years ago

    I am milk obessed and would love to try raw milk. Milk is like my life juice, if I don't have some everyday I would just die! lol :)

  • sewquiltmom

    sewquiltmom said 4 years ago

    We have been drinking raw milk for 7+ years. I purchase from an Amish farmer about 20 minutes from my home. We rarely get sick and when we do get a cold, it only lasts a day or 2. We also eat raw yogurt, cream and make our own kefir from the raw milk. I'm happy to have real food on our table and supporting our local farmers.

  • NannyMadeandfound

    NannyMadeandfound said 4 years ago

    Nothing like fresh right from the farm ANYTHING. So much has been lost in the world of Agribusiness...all the things that big money and power have done to change how we eat and even what we are allowed to have. Seriously, how can it be illegal for me to eat a natural food? Thanks for this post to remind us all to get out there and support the local farmers around us, and fight for their right, and ours, to eat healthy

  • scarletbegoniavntg

    scarletbegoniavntg said 4 years ago

    What I don't understand is what this has to do with Etsy as a business? I don't like reading articles with political undertones on this blog...sorry.

  • ditzyblonde1993

    ditzyblonde1993 said 4 years ago

    I was raised on raw milk, I won't drink anythink else!

  • SweetStock

    SweetStock said 4 years ago

    I remember drinking raw milk at a local farm when I was a kid but not on a regular basis. I've recently seen it offered at our local health food store & considered trying it. I guess I'm a little nervous, though. I get sick alot & have intestinal problems. I thought trying raw milk would be risky, but after reading this article I see it could actually be beneficial. Thanks for the interesting read! I think any article covering natural and homemade items (including raw milk) is definitely on topic here at Etsy - that's why I love it here!

  • PearsPalette

    PearsPalette said 4 years ago

    I've never had raw/cow milk before. I'm curious, for those of us who already have digestive problems, would this help or hurt? I'd be curious to have some, but I don't know where to find it or whether it would cause extra problems for me, as I suffer mild lactose intolerant and medium IBS, as well as had some serious allergic reactions to cream.

  • CleverCatDesigns

    CleverCatDesigns said 4 years ago

    Raw or pasteurized, humans are not meant to consume animal milk. Raw milk may be better for the body then pasteurized milk, but it is still not good for us. Our bodies are not built to process it properly. Cows drink cow milk. A really great documentary about the link between health and animal products: Forks Over Knives.

  • rubyfig

    rubyfig said 4 years ago

    Guilty. we go out of our way to buy it from a farmer who's practices we have witnessed and trust. Raw goat milk cured me of lactose intollerance. note to scarletbegoniavintage: think of the raw milk farmers as running a business much like your fellow etsyans. Remember the children's articles scare that affected a lot of Etsy shops not too long ago? How would you feel if the government imposed a "vintage articles must be boiled for 20 minutes before they can be "safely" offered to the public for sale" rule? A bit extreme, I know, but you get the idea. ;)

  • lauraslastditch

    lauraslastditch said 4 years ago

    Thanks for the great article! We started using raw milk about 6 months ago. We are very happy with it, and our son with autism is doing very well with it. We've made several dietary changes for him, including the raw milk. We love that we can make kefir, cheese, and ice cream from it. I made raw milk ice cream a few weeks ago for a birthday party, and my sister didn't want to try it, because she thought it was too "bohemian." Somehow milk that requires pasteurization because it's not produced properly is okay, but milk that DOESN'T need it is just too....natural, I guess.

  • senacia

    senacia said 4 years ago

    I would love to be able to get my hands on raw milk! I actually DON'T drink too much milk because it's pasteurized. I need to find me land with a cow on it! :)

  • ysmeine

    ysmeine said 4 years ago

    I buy milk from a local dairy. They process the milk themselves as a family business. It is pasteurized but not homogenized. That means the cream separates to the top and it also means that some people who cannot tolerate regular store bought milk can probably tolerate their milk. I met a gentleman at the outlet store today who was coming back for more. He previously could not drink milk and was excited to be able to have cereal like everyone else. It is possible to have the best of both worlds. I also buy cheese and lean meat from them and can feel confident that the animals are well taken care of, they only feed grass and do not use hormones. They also support other local farmers at their outlet where they sell other meat, eggs, and vegetables. Not to mention their yummy ice cream.

  • MayaJadeJewelry

    MayaJadeJewelry said 4 years ago

    We have been drinking raw milk for years and its definitely the best. The only problem is that it costs twice as much as pasteurized. My son stopped nursing at 6 months and I hated the thought of giving him formula so I gave him raw goats milk instead. He did fantastic on it. He's always been very healthy and he has never broken a bone. So many people are told not to give kids raw milk but what do you think people have been doing for 1000's of years.

  • cayennepeppybags

    cayennepeppybags said 4 years ago

    I grew up in rural Minnesota with raw milk. Haven't thought about that in years... thanks for trip down memory lane :)

  • pinkdesertbluebird

    pinkdesertbluebird said 4 years ago

    It seems incredible that it's illegal! Grew up on a farm in NSW & we milked the cows every morning - it was just milk, never knew it as raw milk. I do remember the first time i had cartoned milk once the farm was sold off - so watery, tasteless & thin. We would put the spare milk through the separator to keep the cream to make butter - the skim milk we would feed to the pigs. My daughter rolls her eys when I tell this story when she insists on 'lite' 'low fat' or 'skim milk' yogurts & milk products. I'm glad there are still some real milking farms out there.

  • krisfreeman

    krisfreeman said 4 years ago

    It sucks that my kids have to drink antibiotics and hormones instead of what I grew up on.

  • HidowFiberFarm

    HidowFiberFarm said 4 years ago

    I grew up on raw goats milk. The goat milk cured my little sisters ulcer. The raw milk also saved the life of our postman's grand daughter. When she was born she was unable to digest anything. The Specialists had all given up on her and the grandpa asked if he could try goat milk, Dr's told him to go ahead since nothing else had worked. 18 years later my mom was having a garage sale, and a car pulled up. The woman told the young lady "this is the woman that saved your life". What a great feeling.

  • claddaghmom

    claddaghmom said 4 years ago

    This is a great forum to learn more about grass roots movements to improve our health and get back to basics. I have been seeing a chiropractor who does nutrition response testing, and he told me to get off pasteurized milk and go for raw. Problem is driving one hour to an Amish farm, but I personally can attest to the wonderful digestive benefits, and yes, it is great to see that fresh cream rise to the top! If you have digestive problems, like colitis, ibs, etc, you should definitely try it

  • DiaperCakeStore

    DiaperCakeStore said 4 years ago

    Thank you so much for this article. My husband is a fifth generation dairy farmer gone trucker since the fall of 90% of Dairy's here in NC, an "illegal" state. It is rare to find anyone these days to stand up for the dignity, hard work, great products and way of life so close to many American's hearts. My husband will be glad to know there are still advocates for the "little man," American Farmers. Raw milk is a treat and a blessing. Butter? Well, it is a staple in my house and always has been. Cholesterol? Good as gold.

  • SoaperieMaindeNature

    SoaperieMaindeNature said 4 years ago

    In Quebec, the farmers are controlled by government regulations and pasturization is the government s way of making money with farmers. My neighbor has 40 milk cows and is under pressure to keep up his quotas of milk otherwise he gets fined. If he has too much milk then he has to discard it because he can t sell raw milk. He gives me some raw milk of which I drink and even add to my soaps along with local fruits and vegetables. Thanks for a great article and for encouraging local fresh produce.

  • burntcreative

    burntcreative said 4 years ago

    My husband and I made the switch to raw milk 4 months ago and we'll never go back. There IS an increased risk for children under 5 though and I'll be low-temp home-pasteurizing our son's milk until he turns 5 just to be on the safe side.

  • dippylulu

    dippylulu said 4 years ago

    Raw milk is the only milk my stomach will tolerate. Big shout out to where I purchase fabulous raw milk. Hollister Hill Farm in Vermont: http://www.hollisterhillfarm.com/index.html Hook & Son at Borough Market in London: http://www.hookandson.co.uk/index.html

  • baysideyarnandfiber

    baysideyarnandfiber said 4 years ago

    Love the post. Thoughtful, informative, fairly neutral. Why not level the playing field and allow the consumer to decide what they want to buy. Those monstrous dairies aren't going to go under if a couple people buy raw instead of theirs. Think of all the money they could save by not paying their lobbyists. I've had raw goat milk, and I love it. I can't believe they now pasturize milk and treat it with preservatives (basically kill the Divine bacterial, enzymatic and protein perfection) so that they can put it in a BOX and store it at room temp. It's a LIVE food that should be consumed soon, not preserved for months. I'd like to be able to purchase it in its natural, unadulterated form.

  • SaveTheTreesSelah

    SaveTheTreesSelah said 4 years ago

    We have these regulations on food safety because we breed sick grain fed animals and need to kill the harmful bacteria that grows in them so we can consume them... when you have natural, grass fed and finished, pasture-raised livestock the product is not harmful when properly educated on it. As we raise them as nature intended, the need for antibiotics, growth hormones, chemical washes, and the like it is virtually non-existent. The real issue is what stake do these organizations and agencies have in preventing the grassroots food movement?

  • AlpineGypsy

    AlpineGypsy said 4 years ago

    I can see that this is a passionate issue for many, hehe.... Personally, I love the idea of raw milk & it is yummy. My mum used to buy milk straight from the farm when I was a young girl, and there is nothing I'd love better than eating the cream that rose to the top of that glass bottle. The thing is....we get our food from other places now. We don't know who is raising the cows that produce our milk/cheese/yogurt, etc... It could be flown half-way around the country for all we know! Is this really better than buying it from a farmer who knows exactly what his cows ate the day they got milked? I just don't understand why it's illegal. Let people have raw if that's what they want! If you don't want it, don't buy it. I think the issue has less to do with safety than it does about big industry. We live in a "Life Demands Lysol" kind of world now. People are afraid of dirt, for god's sake! There is a lot of money to be made in the dairy industry, and the folks that are in charge are going to make sure that it stays that way. There are wonderful farmers that produce pasteurized milk too, but really....I think we should be able to choose. Just my 2 cents! Great discussion. :^D

  • MamaGroto

    MamaGroto said 4 years ago

    Almost makes me want to buy a dairy cow.

  • edlynnsattic

    edlynnsattic said 4 years ago

    Great article! I grew up on raw cow's milk. There were four of us kids and we are all still living. Raw milk didn't hurt us at all. I remember Mom used to make cheese, cottage cheese and butter. Nothing you buy today tastes as good. Thanks for the article.

  • TinsAndThings

    TinsAndThings said 4 years ago

    "Where do you get your dairy?" A better question would be: Where do you get your calcium? CleverCatDesigns is absolutely right with their comment, "Raw or pasteurized, humans are not meant to consume animal milk." Humans are the ONLY animals that drink milk after being weaned, and the milk of other species to boot. Pretty crazy if you ask me!

  • SewScience

    SewScience said 4 years ago

    I love that you made a post on this! I hate how pasteurized milk is soooo watery tasting and is nothing compared to the deliciousness of raw milk and its products :). Regardless of my taste bias, I am excited that this discussion is becoming more prevalent. For years it seemed that the only people that drank raw milk were the farmers and a few cohorts that were viewed as those "crazy, health nuts." I think the US population has been ingrained with the idea that pasteurization is the only way to go, but it has its own problems. It's good that the other side is getting more credibility so people can make their own decision on raw or pasteurized.

  • eapoos

    eapoos said 4 years ago

    Grew up on Raw milk, fresh egg and our farm raised beef. No comparison. The food industry ignores consumer requests to label GMO's, upon learning about that info years ago I stopped buying pasturized milk, only organic or raw for my sons. I don't consume animal products anylonger but I buy raw for my children. Real food. I am very grateful that PA permits raw sales and that I am a member of a local food cooperative where I can get it in glass too. Thanks for sharing this.

  • SlopingBarnVintage

    SlopingBarnVintage said 4 years ago

    This is really interesting! I don't believe I've ever had raw milk but I just started getting my milk in glass bottles from a local dairy! It tastes so much better without the plastic container. :)

  • rn101

    rn101 said 4 years ago

    I think that the post completely breezed over many of the issues with unpasteurized dairy products; it was very common before pasteurization for people to get TB from "raw" milk; there are loads of other health issues associated with raw dairy, and before I get flamed, I don't have a "side" in this-I don't drink milk-I find it repugnant. As a nurse, though, I see many issues here, and I think that the one-sidedness of the post made it more of an opinion piece than anything else. I agree that there are too many regulations, especially since many of the important ones regarding food processing are ignored, but a post about basically one dairy by an author who's opinion is obvious does not to further understanding or debate.

  • Deinte

    Deinte said 4 years ago

    Thank you so much for sharing! I would most definatly buy raw milk if it were legal were I live I feel that often time the governamnt take the easy way out not really doing what is best for EVERYONE but what is easiest for them at the time instead of actually dealing wiht it . thank you very sharing this

  • JadeStryker85

    JadeStryker85 said 4 years ago

    Wonderful article,so informative!I would definitely try raw milk :)

  • studiorandom

    studiorandom said 4 years ago

    I am so thankful to see this. Sometimes it seems like Etsy has fully drunk the vegan Kool-Aid (and yeah, that's totally vegan--so healthy!) and I despair that I'll ever see much here that is positive about animal foods. The only way you could have made this article better was to cite some examples of contaminated *plant* foods rather than trotting out another animal-food example. Therein lies the rub. People forget that germs infect plant food too. Sometimes when you bring this up they'll dismiss it with a "Well, if there weren't cows nearby the contamination doesn't happen," but that doesn't fly with the contaminated sprouts in Europe recently--sprouts are not grown in the ground at all. The simple fact is that any time someone else besides you grows your food, or any time you mishandle what you've grown yourself, you run the risk that bad germs will get into it. This is true whether you're vegan, a perfect half-and-half omnivore, or a full-on carnivore. We are ALL at risk from the industrial food system. ALL of us, no matter how purist we get or what we leave out of our diets. By the way, for those of you who don't like milk but have never tried raw: I have never tried raw milk either, but in the past three years I have been using a dairy local to Ohio that uses low-temp pasteurization for their milk, does not homogenize their milk and does not add thickeners or gums to their heavy cream. Also, the cows are on pasture during the warm months, and it shows in the color changes in the milk fat. I had literally NEVER seen yellow cream til I started buying this brand. And the taste is out of this world. If it's this good with low-temp pasteurization, you owe it to yourself to try either low-temp or raw milk at least once in your life, and make sure the cows were grass-fed. I have taste-tested between this stuff (Snowville Creamery for those of you in Ohio) and it is OUT OF THIS WORLD. Kroger's tastes like... well, it tastes unpleasant in comparison. Even Horizon doesn't stack up. Most organic milk I've seen is ultrapasteurized. By the way, although every infectious disease is caused by a specific bacterium, virus, or fungus, there is also a convincing amount of evidence that the "ground" in which the infection may plant itself is just as important as the infectious pathogenic "seed." In short, an unhealthy person is more likely to catch a disease than one who is properly nourished. Everyone here who's said "what about TB" needs to read the work of dentist Weston A. Price. He showed that in properly nourished milk-drinking populations, TB was virtually unknown even if the cattle were known to be carrying it. Another factor involved here is that cattle are more likely to contract TB if they graze on iron-rich soil, TB being an iron-loving bacterium. So there are ways to minimize risk of TB, but in order to do that, people will have to let go of their most cherished and erroneous notions about human nutrition and about our place in the world. A tall order to be sure.

  • EmeraldMara85

    EmeraldMara85 said 4 years ago

    Here in Malaysia, its not pasteurized milk, Its ULTRA pasteurized milk. Sigh...While I don't exactly agree with drinking raw milk (I prefer if people boil it 1st or warm it to get rid of germs)... I can see that there is a need for raw milk to make other things.

  • recycledparts

    recycledparts said 4 years ago

    Great article, I am so glad this issue is being talked about! I personally have never had raw milk, I am lactose intolerant, and haven't had dairy in many years. I am thinking I should try raw milk, as many people have said in the comments, maybe I can tolerate raw, but not the pasteurized. Even though I have never had raw milk, I am a huge fan of raw foods and their health benefits, so I am certain raw milk is the same. Really, the whole thing boils down to the fact that we should be able to make our own decisions on what we eat, and we should be able to know exactly what is in it. Big agri businesses are spending crazy amounts of money each year to make sure we don't know what is in our food and to make sure we have very few choices. So eat raw foods, and whole foods, grow your own food, and you will notice the health benefits.

  • cannonfodder

    cannonfodder said 4 years ago

    "...it would be pertinent to question regulators’ interest in this food item, on the pretext of food safety, when factory farms and other farming dangers exist (remember the salmonella egg recall of 2010?). One can’t help but wonder: Is the debate about raw milk really about food safety, or just a guise for market politics?" You sort of lost me at this statement. I am one of these 'regulators' (though not for Food and Drug) and I can tell you that the individuals that work to ensure public safety (the actual inspectors) are not out there to shut down business or affect market politics. In fact, we try to stay as far away from politics as much as possible. (I can't, however, say that much for leaders of any given agency especially after watching so many documentaries showing the leaders of the FDA as former CEOs of large food product companies.) The way I see it this is a delicate balancing act of protecting public health versus acknowledging that there isn't only one way to achieve that protection. For people that desire these types of products, try researching the rules and regulations that define the measures for assuring public health. If you don't like them, support research that may affect legislation to improve upon those regulations. Kinda like what happened when they dropped the minimum cooking temperature for pork. And just as a personal aside, I would try raw milk.

  • sandboxcastle

    sandboxcastle said 4 years ago

    Hmmm, have not tried raw milk...I can't stand whole milk though so Iono the idea of more creaminess kinda turns me off a bit ... although again- its pasteurized so maybe it tastes different raw. However, I can see both the benefits and the potential issues in drinking raw milk. I'm willing to give it a try but somehow I feel like the saying "if you want it done right, do it yourself" applies here. Although keeping your own cow where I live is out of the question... on the other hand, we sell food and household items that come with warnings about lead and other chemicals naturally occurring or added ... why can't raw milk just have a "use at your own risk" type of label and be done with it? Especially if the dairy has passed its inspections and has a clean record?

  • SweetandDandyVintage

    SweetandDandyVintage said 4 years ago

    Raw milk is simply the best...store bought just doesn't compare. As always, I say let us as educated consumers make our own decisions about what we want to consume. The risk or reward is our own. Great post! Support your local farmers...power to the people. Peace and light. ~Jess

  • capecodgypsy

    capecodgypsy said 4 years ago

    I love raw milk I'm in Massachusetts and it's legal here I knew nothing about it until a few months ago and drove off cape to a raw dairy just to try it ! I'm a nurse and I was a bit concerned at first but after drinking it wow the taste is exceptional and it did not affect my gut the way most dairy does I recommend it to everyone, and after seeing that farm with happy grass fed cows I'm hooked! yes I did see that article on the raid in calif and I thought to myself swat? they sent swat to arrest them and destroy the products? in America? what were those officers thinking of those orders? like are you flipping kidding me we go after criminals with less vengence if you get the chance try the cheeses too you will not eat store bought cheese again!

  • MadDashMinstrels

    MadDashMinstrels said 4 years ago

    I think perhaps that the point is more a matter of If A (Where A = Drinking raw milk is stupid) Then B (Where B = Then let people have the option to be stupid on their own time...) NOTE: I don't think raw milk is stupid. I'm merely making a point. Now, I have no issues with raw milk, though I'm more of a goat milk person than a cow milk person myself. (Goat milk comes pre-homogenized) BUT. The issue is "Let people sell their product." Heck, if you want, let there be a warning label on it like there is on the restaurant menu; "eating undercooked meat, fish or dairy can be hazardous to your health. So if you die from drinking raw milk, don't say we didn't warn you... While I can't vouch for or against it, I will say that it seems rather illogical that it's illegal to sell raw milk, but alcohol is okay... Drinking raw milk provides POTENTIAL health risks... Alcohol Preeeeeeetty much guarantees them.(Though they have the possibility of being short-term...Kinda...) I don't think I know anybody who wrecked a car because they'd had a couple glasses of milk... As for encountering pathogens, well, you could encounter TB by bumping your leg into something infected, then straightening your sock, then touching your face... Or by being sneezed on... Or eating something that was pasteruized badly... The world is full of cooties... This is my disjointed commentary.... Yay milk and individual liberties...

  • LaneyOfTheValley

    LaneyOfTheValley said 4 years ago

    I would love to try it. I hear so often how bad dairy products are for you and I'm curious if it would be different if we consumed raw products rather than what is available. Is it better to just go dairy free? curious

  • katrinaalana

    katrinaalana said 4 years ago

    If the dairy farm has a good record I wouldn't mind trying raw milk.

  • Iammie

    Iammie said 4 years ago

    Great article. I love milk!

  • gracieseggies

    gracieseggies said 4 years ago

    It is interesting to read all of these comments. I bought some raw milk at a farmer's market (in Texas only a very few farms are licensed to sell the product off their farm). I was a little hesitant to try it, but did. Bottom line for me is that it tastes great! I wish I could get it on a regular basis.

  • stefystar3

    stefystar3 said 4 years ago

    Very great article! i'm glad to see the news getting out there

  • susiesquaresupplies

    susiesquaresupplies said 4 years ago

    Thank you for posting this insightful article. I have never been a big milk drinker, but I am very curious to try raw, organic milk.

  • IlluminatedPerfume

    IlluminatedPerfume said 4 years ago

    I love that Etsy posts these types of articles. Raw baby!!

  • scarletbegonia11

    scarletbegonia11 said 4 years ago

    great article, I have been consuming raw milk and making kefir, whey and cream cheese, so much fun and so good for you!

  • recycledwares

    recycledwares said 4 years ago

    What a great article. I just clicked on one of the links and found a raw milk farmer in my area. Can't wait to try it.

  • magdamagda

    magdamagda said 4 years ago

    Oliver is very adorable indeed!

  • noadi

    noadi said 4 years ago

    The vast majority of humans cannot digest cow's milk (or any other besides human breast milk) regardless of pasteurization, there is NOTHING in raw milk that is essential to digestion. That is pure nonsense and quackery. There are zero health benefits to raw milk over pasteurized milk. We can debate whether or not raw milk is better, I do believe non-homogenized milk tastes better (that's the process that keeps the cream in your milk from separating out) and raw milk cheeses are often much more complex in flavor. However pastuerization alone does not effect the taste of milk in the slightest and see my above statement on the health benefits. I've had raw milk plenty of times, my aunt and uncle had dairy cows and goats. However I'm a healthy adult with a good immune system. Even though my aunt and uncle hand raised their couple of dairy cows and pampered them they never allowed any of the young children in the family to drink the raw milk because it was too risky. They had seen friends when they were growing up get sick from milk, and this wasn't mass produced milk but from small family farms in the 1950s.

  • notapaperbag

    notapaperbag said 4 years ago

    Have tried it and did like it. Would buy if it were available and I personally knew the producer.

  • ElsaElvira

    ElsaElvira said 4 years ago

    I've suffered with a poor immune system for years. I have a lactose intolerance and I suffer with a multitude of allergies including allergy to cold weather! I have to carry an adrenaline inhaler with me at all times as even a slight draft can set it off. I wonder if raw milk is what I need to cure me of these ailments. I reside in the UK. Different laws. Never heard of raw milk. I am so glad I came across this informative article.

  • Mclovebuddy

    Mclovebuddy said 4 years ago

    i don't feel that raw milk is meant to be produced on a industrial scale due to how mass quantities of milk are placed in to raw containers and then packaged. that's part of the reason why there's such strict regulation. it's probably partly due to current and past industry practices that would make it impossible to sell raw milk without having some major problems. if people want to buy local and drink raw milk, get to know your small farmers and buy your produce, dairy, and eggs from them directly. going to a supermarket to buy raw milk comes off as artificial.

  • mariposavintage

    mariposavintage said 4 years ago

    My dad used to have Raw Milk in the fridge when we were kids who knows where he got it? He was from Ireland and had all sorts of strange eating habits (pigs feet, eels, weird licorice stuff) which were supplied by who knows who? For us being 1980's california children we used to be mortified and we thought milk should be clear as our mom drank skim milk. I still would not be in to raw milk but I think that it should be available if you want it plus at least you know the cows are eating grass grazing and enjoying themselves! Its time we stopped being so hyper crazy and clinical in our food production! Its mental that our food travels halfway across the world to get to us its just wrong! Its time to get real we need our communities to be sustainable what would happen if it all shut down tomorrow and we couldnt ship our food around there must be a change before its too late! I would be more worried about eating old fried rice then raw milk products. Google it rice is some dangerous stuff when not handled right! no offense to the rice sorry!

  • melonpuff

    melonpuff said 4 years ago

    Having finally being diagnosed with a milk protein allergy in my twenties (after 20+ years of issues!) and removing all milk products out of my diet I started thinking...why aren't we asking an even different question --- Cow's milk is not designed for us. It is bovine mammary juices full of hormones ... why do we drink milk that is intended for calves to grow into big strong cows (or bulls)? Sure people should have the choice to ingest raw milk, or pasteurized milk. but maybe more people should be thinking about not drinking milk at all.

  • ingejean

    ingejean said 4 years ago

    Thank you for posting this news, I feel thirsty and wanting to drink raw milk! :-(

  • aprilmdunaway

    aprilmdunaway said 4 years ago

    I think this article hits at a larger issue: the right of the consumer to purchase the product he/she thinks is best for his/her family. Recent legislation has targeted people who have home gardens and produce their own foods. Marketed as "food safety bills," this legislation could severely imact the average American's right to grow, purchase and consume fruits and vegetables. It infuriates me to think that the government wants to control what we can eat. If there is legitimate concern, by all means label the product appropriately, but it should be the consumer's choice to purchase the product (or not). The idea that raw milk is illegal in some states is almost laughable considering pasteurization didn't exist until about 150 years ago and people have been drinking milk for quite a bit longer than that.

  • kathyjohnson3

    kathyjohnson3 said 4 years ago

    Very interesting article (and posts!) Thanks for sharing, I learn something new on Etsy everyday!

  • petitchapelier

    petitchapelier said 4 years ago

    Thank you for pointing out the political, rather than health, reasons for the war on raw milk. Amish dairies that have been producing raw milk and related products for generations without major incidents have recently become the victims of Swat-type government raids. This makes no sense. Their standards are stricter than conventional dairies. I put the question to a 70-something microbiologist friend with an affiliation to food safety at a major University; he unequivocally stated that with modern testing there is no more risk than with any other food. While there may be some merit to age precautions, the type of milk you choose to consume should be up to you. Fortunately, I live in an area of a state that values and supports local farms including dairy; been enjoying raw milk for years and plan to continue doing so.

  • MyIslamicLife

    MyIslamicLife said 4 years ago

    I've been searching for a herd sharing farm or a seller for 5+ years now with no luck in northern Ohio. My daughter is lactose and gluten intolerant. I have read countless articles that support raw milk to realign the digestion. If you can hook me up send me a MSG.

  • StitchyImpressions

    StitchyImpressions said 4 years ago

    I would buy it too. When my sister and I were little my grandpa worked at a small California dairy farm and when we would go visit them (they were only an hour a way) my grandma would hand my mom two 2 gallon milk jugs and send her out to this huge vat to fill 'em up and take them home. The milk in there was fresh from the cow but had already been chilled. That was the best milk I'd ever had and losing that when grandpa retired was a real bummer.

  • MonkeyBusinessBeadin

    MonkeyBusinessBeadin said 4 years ago

    I still can't understand how anyone, including the government, can tell me I can't choose to buy raw milk! Simply ridiculous! I am very glad to see that there are people out there who see the truth to raw and whole foods. I myself am severely lactose intolerant, and have never had the urge to drink milk, raw or otherwise. I just simply go without and find other methods of introducing calcium into my diet. But I would really be happy to try raw milk someday (in small amounts, of course). Thank you for the great articles!

  • WalterSilva

    WalterSilva said 4 years ago

    Interesting!

  • amccullough

    amccullough said 4 years ago

    Wow, I cannot believe how many of you are willing to risk the health and safety of your families by consuming raw dairy, just for achieving a perceived benefit. Pasteurization was invented for a reason, and back in a time when more people were living rural lifestyles and had more exposure & resistance to these 'bugs' - yet they still saw the need for protecting their food supply from a mass contamination scare. Regulations concerning raw milk sales are not in place to hinder anyone. They are there for protection - not only for consumers of the product against pathogens, but for producers against lawsuits and protection of the demand for their products. Farmers of ALL sizes who sell milk conventionally take pride in producing a product that is safe, healthy & nutritious.

  • BanglewoodSupplies

    BanglewoodSupplies said 4 years ago

    I am allergic to dairy but I would love to try raw milk just to see if I have a reaction. Thanks for the post!

  • SecretAttic

    SecretAttic said 4 years ago

    WE so want to get away from the hormone and steroid and immunized cow that we are planning our own family farm. We will feed ourselves and not be wholly dependent on the government -who doesn't always have our best interest in mind ;)

  • lotusheart01

    lotusheart01 said 4 years ago

    In order for the cow to produce milk she has to have been pregnant. Nature has a funny way for providing exactly what is needed for baby in that milk (if you are a breast feeding mother you will understand this) So cows milk is just perfect. Well, for calves it is. It isn't designed for humans, either in it's raw or pasteurized forms. What other species drinks the milk from another? Effectively you are just stealing it from who nature intended it for. Now this is just my opinion but none of this seems positive to me at all.

  • stonehousehill

    stonehousehill said 4 years ago

    A couple of years ago when I decided to try making cheese I could not get a batch to set. After researching it I found that it was because the milk was so highly pasteurized that all the enzymes needed to make cheese had been killed off. I tried several brands, including an expensive organic milk, with no luck. Then my sister in law gave me a gallon of raw milk and, voila-- cheese at last! When they moved and had to sell their cow we bought it from them and milked our little Jersey until she dried up recently. It requires a lot of careful cleaning with bleach and hot water, but it is worth it. I have never liked the taste of store bought milk, but raw milk is so rich and creamy and flavorful--it tastes like more that just salt. I know there are very good reasons that laws for safe milk production were put in place. People used to die of things like tuberculosis from sick cows giving contaminated milk. I am grateful for the safeguards that help protect us from such diseases, but I wish we who live in states where raw milk sales are illegal had a choice. Farmers who would like to sell raw milk could provide buyers with information about the risks involved and have them sign a waiver.

  • minouette

    minouette said 4 years ago

    Coincidentally, I've been thinking about pasteurization lately: http://www.etsy.com/listing/80265599/thermochromic-linocut-louis-pasteur

  • EleganceElizabethLee

    EleganceElizabethLee said 4 years ago

    Something I have never had the opportunity to try. Sounds like it is so good for your body. Great article. Thanks!

  • MagpieQuilts

    MagpieQuilts said 4 years ago

    We drank milk direct from the farmer when we were young, but my dad (who saw many people in his childhood sick from raw milk) insisted that it be pasteurized - we were all healthy with no digestive problems and the milk didn't lose taste from the process.

  • ThePurpleHippo

    ThePurpleHippo said 4 years ago

    I just wanted to say thanks for posting an informative, interesting and well researched article on a topic that goes hand in hand with the handmade community. The blog has been a huge disappointment lately. It reaches way too large of an audience and represents the site which means care like this should be taken with every post. As for raw milk, I don't drink any milk. However, food in this country is now so far from its source that it's going to be hard to convince the majority of going back to the original source, which looks like a foreign substance compared to store bought milk.

  • vintagejenta

    vintagejenta said 4 years ago Featured

    Although I've never had raw milk, I do wish they would sell non-homogenized milk. And I think the prosecution of small-scale raw milk producers is absolutely ridiculous. Where are the SWAT teams at Smythfield processing plants? And where were they when that plant in Atlanta was shipping out peanut butter (PEANUT BUTTER!) laden with salmonella?! Based on this, it's all about politics. When the feds start prosecuting/arresting/shutting down/intimidating big agribusiness and processors for poor sanitary conditions (a CAFO makes much more E.Coli than an organic raw milk farm), I'll consider supporting their efforts against raw milk producers. Until then? No way!

  • SpringwoodSoaps

    SpringwoodSoaps said 4 years ago

    I love cows! We had a few on our little "hobby farm" I miss that some days :) However I have never tried raw milk before. My grandmother would talk about milking their cow they had and churning the cream to make butter. We still have that old churn :) The good old days!

  • ebienz

    ebienz said 4 years ago

    I've just started buying raw goat milk from a dairy down the road from my house. It's fantastic. I've avoided cow's milk due to some digestive issues, but I'm optimistic the raw goat milk could help repair those issues.

  • ingejean

    ingejean said 4 years ago

    Here's the link apply what you wrote in there: http://www.naturalnews.com/033428_FDA_secret_war.html

  • GramaMoms

    GramaMoms said 4 years ago

    We raise dairy goats and drink raw milk when ever we want. Since we started drinking the raw milk as a family we've noticed a decrease in: phlegm for no reason, very offensive body odor & less face acne. We have a goat that at peak production milking twice a day will give us almost 4 gallons. When our freezer is full we start throwing it to the chickens!!! Can you imagine how painful that is??!! Knowing anyone with dairy issues could have milk, homemade cream cheese and mozzarella cheese. In my opinion it has more to do with proof of milk production and taxing it. "They" don't have a problem clearing diet pills that could kill you, but will arrest you for buying or selling raw milk. To get the latest news on the raw milk Farmageddon check out this link. FTCLDF President [taaron@farmtoconsumer.ccsend.com] If it's safe for my family then it's safe for yours. I haven't had a glass of raw milk or fresh egg make anyone sick... just sayin' : ).

  • Julez7Jewelz

    Julez7Jewelz said 4 years ago Featured

    I find it interesting the regulators are willing to step in only in instances where there will be immediate short term side effects such as getting sick from certain organisms in your milk, yet will just merrily go on their way when it comes to the more long term issues with the rest of the food supply such as the hydrogenated oils, high fructose corn syrup, MSG and other food additives that end up being toxic and leading to long term health issues. GO LOCALLY PRODUCED ORGANIC FOOD MOVEMENT!!! It's not too expensive.. you just have to make it a priority.

  • CraftieD

    CraftieD said 4 years ago

    I grew up on raw goats milk. I was never, ever sick. Not even so much as a sniffle. Now, that the milk I drink is store bought, I seem to get sick quite often. Whether it is cow's milk or goat's milk, raw milk is much better for you, in my opinion.

  • cinnamonlime

    cinnamonlime said 4 years ago

    Raw milk is fine if the source is definitely uncontaminated by pathogens which are cross-transferable from cows to humans. Even so, Brucellosis (caused by the Brucella bacterium) is a serious risk. The most extreme symptom in affected mammals (including humans) is abortion. There is no human vaccine. Brucellosis can be contracted through inhaling dust from afflicted animals, cuts/open wounds, and the consumption of raw milk and raw milk products. Pasteurisation merely involves the heating and immediate cooling of substance to above (then below) the normal functioning temperatures of most common pathogens. The process described as Pasteurisation in this article actually refers to High temperature/ Extended shelf life treatments (none of the above include boiling because boiling causes irreversible changes to the structure of the milk-a process akin to curdling). Be aware. Be safe. Use Google-the science behind all of these processes has been openly available for decades now.

  • Ornatum

    Ornatum said 4 years ago

    I wish I could buy raw milk where I live. My mother grew up on raw milk from my grad-dad's farm and I'm certain it's one reason my family has such strong immune systems today. I've recently started eating more raw foods in general and feel better than I ever have.

  • HandMadeBling

    HandMadeBling said 4 years ago

    I love raw milk, we all need to do are part no matter how small to stand up for our rights, our health and life as mother nature intended.

  • laralewis

    laralewis said 4 years ago

    We purchase all of our dairy products from a local farm (and have it delivered to our door, it's awesome!) I've never had raw milk before, but I must admit I'm curious. This article is very interesting, and the comments from fellow Etsians especially so.

  • keibers

    keibers said 4 years ago

    Over the years I've become more and more lactose intolerant, and it's true - I've taken a few gulps of raw milk, which is available at the farmer's market where I live. So good, but out of fear (for stomach cramps and the like) I only had one bottle. But it was sooo good. Also, I bake a lot and it REALLY makes a difference in pancakes, desserts and - hey! You can make clotted cream from raw milk too, perfect for english muffins and tortes. :D Good to spread the word about raw milk; it really is nummy.

  • IJustNU

    IJustNU said 4 years ago

    Great article, thank you!

  • feltplanet

    feltplanet said 4 years ago

    Although I've not yet tried raw milk, my favorite cheese in the world is a wonderful raw milk cheddar. If farmers can safely produce this wholesome food source they should be left alone. Lord knows that the highly processed junk foods in the stores, that are approved for human consumption, are killing us at epidemic levels all under the watchfill eye of a government 'protecting' us...... It should be our choice to choose how we get our milk!!

  • greatestfriend

    greatestfriend said 4 years ago

    This is just crazy to me as a new zealander. people in most parts of the world eat "normally" out of necessity. you grow your food and kill your beasts and milk your cows. this is not uncommon. here in the usa, you want to be in fairly close proximity with the farmer or pet owner to drink raw milk - to know the conditions - as eventually people always seem to focus on capital gain first and foremost in their businesses here. F the "laws" though - Juice is another story... it's unbearable that with all the oranges on this land - that its all pasteurized just so that one man can rule the juice world and put a gold fence around his pool. retailers need to be able to feel ok about "running out" consumers need to be ok with "missing out" - 12 bottles of pure juice on the shelf each day, FRESH and packed with nutrients is better than an endless supply of chemical laden 6 month old juice - which many people drink without batting an eye. Retailers need to change. the "food" industry in the states is like non other on the planet. its totally corrupt (or completely stupid) and has resulted in two-three generations not knowing ANYTHING about how to produce their own food and to think processed food as normal - when simply reading the ingredients (what the hell are they?) and the incredibly long shelf life stamped on these so called "food" items. how can those things be equated with food? When the hell are people going to STAND UP & FIGHT? i'm serious! we are hearing educated people discuss sustainable living like its something new and hip and only further helping to create the classist divide. sustainable living is not new. its essential and tereribly lost in american society. theres too much mind for the law. the law and the people whom control corporate america dont care about you. stop eating processed food and share the vegetables you grow. the meat you kill and diary you produce -if and when possible for trade, there is so much more food here than anywhere else and im talking real food yet it is like everything else here, falling into capitalist hands and filtering into fancy restaurants first. we need farmers markets in EVERY neighborhood NOW. If laws prevent it, break them, just like having a keg at an unlicensed show. DO IT. do it in your backyard. programs involving the local community growing and preparing food need be mandatory through free education to turn this mess of diabetics etc around.. raw milk is just one of natures gifts to be shared, and re-learned, and not with an eye to capitalist gain but with a genuine sharing, caring and loving spirit. why the hell is this so hard? I know some are doing it but in the scheme of things not nearly enough in your average community nationwide.

  • greatestfriend

    greatestfriend said 4 years ago

    and i know i shouldn't be soapboxing at etsy readers but gah! so passionate! and where else will people "listen" ?

  • babyswank

    babyswank said 4 years ago

    My family & I do drink raw milk. I started out by looking at the pros & cons of both sides so I'd get a good education both ways. I decided that if I found a milk supplier {which is hard where I live because it's illegal to sell raw milk} that offers good, clean, healthy milk, I'd definitely go for it. It took about a year, but I found a farm right down the road & the lady is soooo careful with that milk. We've developed a relationship with them & I totally trust them & the milk they offer. We can't legally buy it for human consumption so we buy it understanding that they are selling it for "animal consumption" only. Fine by us! It's good for us & our animals! We love it & we've not seen any negative results from drinking it.

  • NotKnitCreations

    NotKnitCreations said 4 years ago

    Sorry, we are a soy milk household, three out of four members are lactose sensitive. I also believe we pasturize for a reason and that just because there are problems with the system doesn't mean the reasoning behind creating it isn't sound. Sure, people survived (and still survive) on raw milk all over the world before and after pasturization but people technically survived before things like decent water purification (all kinds of nasty things live in "pure and natural" spring water) and vaccines but lots of people were sickened and killed too, so I don't want to take chances with my family. Also, I find this a weird article to read on Etsy, as it seems purely political itself.

  • LMSJ

    LMSJ said 4 years ago

    Why is this on Etsy?

  • KiraArts

    KiraArts said 4 years ago

    I don't drink raw milk but I have friends who do. We live in a rural area of NY state and they get their raw milk from a small local dairy farm. I get my milk from a Byrne Dairy store that sells their (pasteurized) milk in returnable glass bottles. My reason for not drinking raw milk is simply that I prefer the taste of skim milk. Even though I don't choose to drink raw milk, I don't judge my friends who do. And I believe that people who want to buy it have a right to and should be able to have a choice.

  • KikiLaRu

    KikiLaRu said 4 years ago

    We are passionate about our raw milk in this household. My husband is lactose intolerant and guzzles numerous bottles of raw milk each week with absolutely no problems; in fact, because of his raw milk consumption, he is slowly able to tolerate pasteurized milk products such as ice cream. I am almost 9 months pregnant now and have been drinking delicious raw milk from local grass-fed cows the entire time. My baby is healthy and so am I. Exceptionally so.

  • Elizabethiv

    Elizabethiv said 4 years ago

    Whether one is for or against raw milk, I think it is important to know understand both sides of the issue. For those who grew up on raw milk, or grew up on farms, there is less likelihood of getting sick because the immune system has probably already been exposed to a lot more and has become immune to much of the bacteria that those who don't grow up on farms. The largest group of people who have gotten sick are those that try it for the first time. There is no way to be %100 safe from bacterial exposure, even if the dairy uses the most sanitary practices available without pasteurization. But then again, we all know pasteurization doesn't always keep us safe either, the problems are just different. With big companies running our food industry, sending lobbyists to Washington to convince those we voted into office to keep their monopolies, who can you trust? It isn't an easy answer, but the quick judgments on both side to demonize the other doesn't help keep dialogue open. It just makes people angry.

  • KKSimpleRegalJewelry

    KKSimpleRegalJewelry said 4 years ago

    We have sheep... and drink the milk raw. It is so good! Because of the fat content (which is good for you) it makes the best puddings and ice-creams! It is also very good for lactose intolerant people. It was first classified in Europe as a food! ~KK~

  • iambetty

    iambetty said 4 years ago

    My mom used to pick up our milk every week from a local farmer who milked a dozen or so cows a day. He was shut down and fined heavily once word of this escaped to local food authorities. He kept a clean farm. No e.coli had ever been discovered, no salmonella ever reported. Now no farmer in the area dares to sell so much as a pint of their cows milk. Consequences are harsh and no farmer can afford the risk. Even on sitepasteurization has been banned, and a few large companies purchase and sell all cows milk for the province. Goats milk on the other hand, has far fewer restrictions, and there are many small goat dairies that do very well selling locally. Why the double standard? My guess is that if goats milk became as popular as cows, food corporations would soon have the market cornered and small time competition shut down as quietly and efficiently as small time cow dairies have been.

  • KikiLaRu

    KikiLaRu said 4 years ago

    For those who argue that people are 'the only animals to drink milk from another species' and think that we should not drink milk at all: Humans do thousands of things that other mammals don't do. We fly in airplanes, walk on two legs, and have a written language. We developed agriculture and learned how to raise animals for our benefit. There are many tribes of people to this day who depend heavily on milk, whether it be from a goat, sheep, camel, or cow, for their survival. Are you going to take one of their only food sources away from them because of your 'moral reasoning?' Also...if you would offer a hungry or thirsty adult mammal raw milk, they would gladly drink it without hesitation.

  • MossFrogDesigns

    MossFrogDesigns said 4 years ago

    My mother grew up drinking milk "Straight from the cow". My german great-grandmother would milk the cow in the morning, and then would come inside and dump the contents onto my mother's cereal. She grew up just fine. I haven't tried raw milk, but I would love to. Generally, I drink Almond milk because I'm lactose intolerant.

  • SweetandDandyVintage

    SweetandDandyVintage said 4 years ago

    I see a lot of folks asking why this topic is discussed here, and really, why not? As I stated above, the point is personal choice. Milk, the ability to continue having the liberty to make and sell without gov't regulations taking our hard earned profits or deciding that vintage or handmade items are unsafe and completely distressing the beautiful community of makers and sellers just like you here on Etsy...that's right, anybody remember the legislation that was being discussed just last year regarding the safety of handmade items / toys / used items threatening to shut down the wonderful Moms, Dads and the like who create items far exceeding any regulation standards just because they are suppose to pay for expensive testing of all items made, etc...etc...? Where's the sense of community, love, personal responsibility and care for our fellow man...do we really need one sided laws created by folks who are completely disconnected with the subject making our decisions for us? The best choice is always individual choice...it's what America was founded on for goodness sake! Let's stop allowing the minority to make decisions for the majority and bring back personal freedom! It's the only way every single individual can have their way in every single decision in life, simply by the ability to choose for oneself. The control of others is the demise of humanity...we have enough decisions to make on our own without worrying about the decisions of others as well. Be empowered! Get in touch with self, and let your inner voice be your guide. Love to all!

  • CaliforniaMutts

    CaliforniaMutts said 4 years ago

    I'd like to commend anyone who doesn't respond to this post with " Yeah , I totally agree... raw milk sounds awesome!" . While I'm sure raw cow's milk benifits gut health, pasteurization was developed for a reason. This article is biased, and so are most of the responses.

  • maoli

    maoli said 4 years ago

    It is very sad that something as primal as food could bring such controversy! Have you ever noticed the beaming smiles of the people of "primal" countries? They don't go to the dentist to get veneers or their teeth whitened. They drink raw milk, eat fermented foods and drink lots of broths made with the meat and bones of the animals they hunt. Yet in "civilized" countries, kids as young as five are getting root canals and are constantly sporting a runny nose and dry cough. I firmly believe it is the responsibility of every human being to know where their food comes from, eat as natural as our bodies were designed to be fed and support those who altruistically grow our food and fight for our freedom to choose what's best for us.

  • ViGreen

    ViGreen said 4 years ago

    I would totally drink raw milk to help support the local food movement even though I always drink almond/hemp/coconut milk. I haven't even experienced tasting raw milk before so I'd imagine it might take some getting used to based on the fact I haven't had cow milk in almost a decade. I've gone organic with my consumption of vegetables/fruits and purchase 95% of them at my local farmers market. The taste and quality(look and feel) are a million times better than the regular grocery store vegetables/fruits and I cannot go back to buying most of what I eat from a grocery store. Buying local and organic are now the top of my priorities when it comes to eating. So all in all based upon the nutritional benefits,environmental and how much better the cows are treated I'm all for this raw milk movement! I cannot wait to try some.

  • amandasgems

    amandasgems said 4 years ago

    i want to know how to get my hands on some.

  • smsox07

    smsox07 said 4 years ago

    Pasteurization is not the culprit of which you speak. Homogenization is the process that breaks down the fat in milk, thus changing it's make up to be the same all the way through, or homogeneous. You can actually purchase pasteurized milk that is not homogenized so you will still get the same benefits as raw milk without the health risks. That being said, I want to make it clear that all farmers, regardless of whether they grow crops using traditional methods or organically, care about the food they produce. There is no such thing as a "factory farm" and 98% of all farms in the US are family owned and operated. All food, no matter how it was produced, is subject to the same stringent governmental regulations. And as for local, American is local. Thank a farmer for what they do for you!!!

  • tabletopdesign

    tabletopdesign said 4 years ago

    We used to get raw milk from a family friend years ago, it was great! I rarely drink it now because of digestive issues, I even tried boiling it according to Ayurvedic cooking practices but that doesn't help. This less-manipulated form sounds way better, I would love to have raw milk again, thanks for this wonderful article! :)

  • ClearlyYoursLampwork

    ClearlyYoursLampwork said 4 years ago

    We buy 'raw' milk, which is actually 'REAL' milk, not fried (pasturized) or murdered into sticking to itself and our arteries (homogonized)! I make our butter and cheese with it, and we almost never ever get sick. If you give a calf store bought milk, it will die... that says enough for me!

  • MadisonStreetBeauty

    MadisonStreetBeauty said 4 years ago

    We've gone raw and are never going back! Thanks for sharing this great article

  • NightfallTeddies

    NightfallTeddies said 4 years ago

    There are also the benefits of probiotic bacteria and the all-important enzymes in raw milk, which are destroyed with pasteurization. My two cents is that three of my family members have been cured of lactose intolerance by raw cow's milk, if I include my own mild case. I read the same in other comments, here.

  • bristolaliciaj

    bristolaliciaj said 4 years ago

    There are some ways to get around the raw milk being illegal you can purchase a share of a cow at a raw milk dairy and then "pay" the farmer to care for and milk your cow. There are different arrangements like this around the country and it is a way to get to know your farmer and the cows. Most farmers will let you come to the milking see the conditions and meet the cows. This way you actually know that the cows are treated well and they are taking every percaution to make sure you have the best product avaliable to you.

  • newvintage

    newvintage said 4 years ago

    I honestly think raw milk is much healthier for all the reasons already mentioned, but for me the issue is unrelated to the food. It comes down to government censoring and limiting my options as a consumer and usurping my authority as a parent to feed my family as I see fit. Consumers have a right to educate themselves and buy what they want, taking an consequences associated with. Where will the line be drawn? They are already trying to force chemicals into us in a variety of ways and limit our access to even herbs and other plants as they see fit, and they are very biased with their own agenda. The point is we should have freedom to grow, own, purchase and use any plant or animal as fits our personal needs(I am not advocating abuse, which still happens despite laws), not the governments' regulation.

  • keelingphoto

    keelingphoto said 4 years ago

    Like so many things, this is a delicate balance. I think raw milk should be perfectly acceptable as long as people understand the risks and benefits. I also think it would be a lot easier to make it acceptable if we hadn't lost the connection with where our food comes from. I grew up on a farm, we had our own dairy cow...it was fantastic. BUT we knew everything about that cow. What she ate, when she was sick and we were in control of the conditions she lived in and the cleanliness of her living quarters. The fact is, in the majority of cases you just don't know how the animals are being treated and raised and how clean the environment is. I have a food safety background and for myself...I would only drink raw milk from a cow under my care. I am not sure I would ever give my kids raw milk, if you know the details of the illnesses that can be caused...I just don't see it as worth the risk.

  • JuliannasWardrobe

    JuliannasWardrobe said 4 years ago

    We are in Colorado where it illegal to sell raw milk. So we have purchased a share of a cow and pay to have her boarded, milked and bottled. Several places around here do this. We are happy we pick up our raw milk once a week and enjoy!

  • graphixblvd

    graphixblvd said 4 years ago

    YES! I'm SO glad to see that other people stand up in favor of raw milk! I will only drink pasteurized milk if I just HAVE TO, but I hate that junk :) I'm running my own dairy goat herd of almost 20 and drink a couple quarts of that raw goodness every day. It's so benefitial for your health, good for making strong bones and the taste...you just CANNOT get that out of pasteurized milk! If you are lactose intolerant, you can most likely handle goat milk without any problem. The reason for that is the mollocules in goat milk are MUCH smaller, therefore making it easier for the stomach to digest. Unfortunately, the government doesn't see raw milk as being a positive thing and therefore bans the selling of it in some states. In order to sell it on certain states, the FDA has to come in and "approve" your set-up. What they don't (or do) realize they're doing is totally destroying healthful foods & small, family farms and building up the big commercial dairies that in turn, take all of the nutrients out of our milk. Maybe that's why our generation has so many problems?! Anyway, thank you Etsy for putting up this article :) It just made my heart fill with JOY, JOY, JOY!!! I totally agree 100% with Danielle and we should all ban together to fight this never ending battle! ~Hannah

  • aihley

    aihley said 4 years ago

    It's politics pure and simple. We can buy meat raw, we can buy vegetables raw. We assume the risk when we request a rare steak at a restaurant, why can we not be expected to treat raw milk the EXACT SAME WAY?

  • werewindle1

    werewindle1 said 4 years ago

    As a public health professional I am squarely on the side of pasteurization. If you want beneficial microorganisms - eat yogurt. Most (but not all) healthy adults can tolerate the potential pathogens found in raw milk. However a child’s immune system is much more susceptible to harmful pathogens when compared to adults. I urge parents to exercise caution when considering raw milk for their children. As adults you have the right to make your own choices regardless of risk, unfortunately children do not have that same decision making ability. I have seen too many children sickened due to raw milk consumption, provided by well-meaning caregivers. I am all for local, homegrown, and back to nature food consumption. However we have a tendency to become complacent when disease is absent, yet we forget that disease in this case is absent due to pasteurization.

  • Chelseamatic

    Chelseamatic said 4 years ago

    Wow. I would NEVER risk my children's lives by given them raw milk. Whenever you make a decission that could affect your health, you should always weigh the benfits vs. the risk. The benefits of raw milk are the "good bacteria" that can boost your immune system, which can also be found in yogurt and some other foods. The risk is illness and possibly death. It is certainly not work the risk in my opinion.

  • BabyOzClothing

    BabyOzClothing said 4 years ago

    We used to farm and our daughters grew up on the fruits of the earth, which included raw milk. After we sold our farm and the girls started drinking milk that was pasterized, they developed stomach issues. I feel that the "raw" milk was better for them and miss the wholesomeness of the taking the milk from the bulk tank and skimming the rich cream off the top or just indulging in a nice "cold" glass of the good stuff. We eat foods that have been processed with chemicals and wonder why we have health problems. We need to think about what they are putting into our foods or what they are putting into them that we don't know about.

  • mandymoomoo

    mandymoomoo said 4 years ago

    Really? Doesn't the FDA have something better to do? Have them slap a lable on the bottle of raw milk warning about possible issues and let the consumer make a decision for themselves. I grew up drinking raw (we just call it fresh) milk and I don't know anyone that got sick from it. I really feel that our tax dollars could go to something better - some bigger issue. Like Tobacco or drug makers.

  • homespunmomma

    homespunmomma said 4 years ago

    I think that its great that we have choices but let's not make monsters out of those who produce food in the conventional way, no matter if it is milk, crops, or livestock. All farmers in America care about the food they produce. And who is this factory farm you are thinking of??? They don't exist...98% of all farms in America are family farms. Our family farm produces about 5,000 gallons of milk each week. We are part of a milk co-op to sell our milk. By the way a milk co-op is a group of dairy farmers who own a company together to market their product...it's not a large corporation. Milk typically isn't trucked across the country the way many of you seem to think. The majority of the milk we produce is consumed within a 500 mile radius of our farm. That's local!! It's pretty much the same as every gallon of milk you purchase in the grocery store. Many people have made the comment that raw milk is better for you. There has been no research that proves that. Many people can't handle the natural bacterias in milk because they aren't exposed to them which leads to people getting sick. Pasteurization is a safety precaution especially for your children...you wouldn't put them in a car without a seat belt would you? Remember in the U.S. food choices are a blessing...you can make your own choices but just like you don't want someone to push their religion on you don't push your food ideals on them. Everyone deserves the right to safe and wholesome food. That is why our family does its very best to produce milk and beef that is safe, wholesome and affordable for our family and YOURS!

  • personacide

    personacide said 4 years ago

    The article states: "But proponents argue that the pasteurization process kills beneficial proteins and enzymes essential for maintaining digestive health." Diary products are not essential for maintaining digestive health at all. In fact, if you look deeper into it, the ability to digest dairy is a mutation somewhere along human evolution. A large part of the population is lactose intolerant - which is actually more normal than being able to digest dairy. Humans are the only mammals on earth to ingest another animals milk and drink mild past being weened at infancy. I just think it's important to note that pasteurized or raw, dairy is not essential at all. Calcium, that we all readily associate with milk products, is essential. But that be found in many green vegetables like collard greens, soybeans, spinach - even almonds and oranges.

  • MuddyFeet

    MuddyFeet said 4 years ago

    So long as people know that they are buying raw milk, I don't see why it would really matter. This is about choice for consumers. I find it odd that I can choose to smoke, drink, drive a car and even buy a big trampoline for my kids - all things that can be detrimental to health - yet in half of the states I cannot buy raw milk because there is a chance that it could be contaminated?! If children and people with lowered immune systems are more susceptible to the pathogens found in milk, why not simply work to educate people and put warnings on the labels just like with alcohol, cigarettes, aspirin, etc... Why remove the choice completely?

  • empanada

    empanada said 4 years ago

    If big government and big business wouldn't be involved we could all make our own choices and be our own person and pursue happiness our own way. This is what government is doing to raw milk farmers : http://www.infowars.com/fda-wages-secret-war-on-raw-milk-farmers-using-kgb-style-spying-and-infiltration-techniques/ Read this article.

  • ConstanceEckertArtis

    ConstanceEckertArtis said 4 years ago

    Raw milk is yummie. When I was a child, a neighbor would stop at each house and pick up big gallon jars from each neighbor. I went to the farm with his little granddaughter and we would run all over the farm. We never got sick from the milk, but I agree with the guy who commented on the opportunity for contamination. I guess we are all pretty much in agreement, you need to know the people you buy raw milk from and only if they are people with small manageable farms and are sticklers for cleanliness. Frankly, even though it was delicious, I would not take the chance on giving my grandchildren raw milk today.

  • tarikyousef

    tarikyousef said 4 years ago

    I grew up in a household where both my parents were micobiologists, both with a focus on dairy. My father also grew up as a farmer, so we had a well balanced understanding of our food and food safety. I was always taught that fresh is indeed better, but only when you know where it is coming from and it's safety. The big problem is that there are millions of people in the US that do not necessarily want to get to know thier farmer just so they know that what they are drinking is safe, they simply want good, clean and safe food. My wife is also a dietician and she is continually preaching about why it is unhealthy to consume all that unneccesary fat that one finds in raw milk. Think of it, when you drink a glass of raw milk, a certain portion of that is cream and other fats that are simply not good for you. These are fats that need to be consumed in moderation, especially in a country where the majority of the population is overweight.

  • KMalinka

    KMalinka said 4 years ago

    I love warm row milk :O)

  • jguilddesigns

    jguilddesigns said 4 years ago

    Great article. Thank you so much for sharing!

  • spero511

    spero511 said 4 years ago

    I remember reading recently that the FDA made a raid on an Amish farm for selling raw milk. Are you kidding me? This is how our government is spending tax dollars. I totally support the raw milk movement. I am so thankful to the people who are fighting this battle.

  • vianegativa420

    vianegativa420 said 4 years ago

    I get so tired of all the vegans spouting about how we aren't supposed to be able to eat dairy, but in anthropology I learned that humans herded dairy and meat animals long before they began to cultivate grain, fruit, and vegetables. You should learn some history before you go claiming to know all about evolution.

  • spero511

    spero511 said 4 years ago

    "The big problem is that there are millions of people in the US that do not necessarily want to get to know thier farmer just so they know that what they are drinking is safe, they simply want good, clean and safe food. My wife is also a dietician and she is continually preaching about why it is unhealthy to consume all that unneccesary fat that one finds in raw milk." The bigger problem is that we have no choice whatsoever. Those who want to seek out a reputable farmer, do not have the freedom to do so. Regarding the fat in raw milk, Mary Enig presents a pretty compelling view that the unadulterated fat from grass-fed cows is actually healthful. Nobody can really consider the low-fat or skim milk products on the market to be healthful, given the corruption of proteins that occurs in high-heat pasteurization and the amount of stabilizers, etc, added to make the processed milk more palatable. Two sides, every argument.

  • whitebirdscrapper

    whitebirdscrapper said 4 years ago

    Great article, Thank you Etsy for allowing it. In Tn we have to buy into the cow to get raw milk. that is how they get around the law since you actually own part of the cow. I love to make homemade butter and cheese. my next big purchase is a goat or two.

  • OpulentOddities

    OpulentOddities said 4 years ago

    I am milk obsessed. I drink probably 16-32 oz a day. Milk is so decadent. Raw milk, I just can't do it. Its like drinking breast milk. Because, you are drinking breast milk. I can't wrap my mind around drinking it, it needs to be purified. Chemicals aren't so bad. What are you gonna do when you are 146?

  • Junienone

    Junienone said 4 years ago

    This is a wonderful article and raises great questions. Even living in CA, it is hard for me to find raw milk - and finding raw goat's milk is next to impossible. Thanks for shedding light on this issue and I hope that more companies like Organic Pastures can flourish as they seek to provide a healthy product that is also good for the animals and the land.

  • pelecypods2

    pelecypods2 said 4 years ago

    When I was younger my family always had a milk cow. We made our own butter and buttermilk. It was so good not like the artificial tasting things that are sold in stores. Great article. The younger generation are missing out on a lot of good wholesome food.

  • 23LittleArtShop

    23LittleArtShop said 4 years ago

    Etsy- You Rule for putting this up!!! People need to know that there is criminal element within government that is taking over and away, our basic human rights... Raw milk is a medicine from what I understand- people were much healthier before the pasteurization laws came in...And you'll find if you explore- These days, anything that is good or healing for us is attacked and/or il-legalized--- while the synthetic and poisonous things are forced on us... IE: Vaccines & GMOs (genetically modified organisms) Good for you that you are brave enough to put attention on this issue! Thanks!

  • TheLittleRagamuffin

    TheLittleRagamuffin said 4 years ago

    I find it sad that many farms in our region are being forced to stop selling "raw" milk to well informed customers who are fully aware of the potential dangers of consuming this product.

  • jdangel77

    jdangel77 said 4 years ago

    I started drinking raw goat milk from a reputable small organic goat farmer. I was a little nervous at first, but the milk is so fresh and they are so careful and only milk one goat at a time. My digestion has improved. I also buy his eggs. He feeds his chickens the whey leftover from the cheese he makes. The eggs are delicious. Our government is selling food that is considerably more dangerous for us that non homogenized milk and eggs. Thank you private organic farmers for your hard work. Keep going.

  • Krystyna81

    Krystyna81 said 4 years ago

    Milk is for baby cows.

  • TheScarfTree

    TheScarfTree said 4 years ago

    Love your article - I noticed you always get "tons" of feedback! Food is a very important subject for all of us I suppose! Thanks!

  • dustybookseller

    dustybookseller said 4 years ago

    Nobody thinks twice about eating potato salad at a picnic, but how many cases of salmonella show up a year from it? We have milked a jersey for four years and nobody gets sick from her milk. She is milked out in the open air nearly every day, the milk is filtered and rapidly chilled in my kitchen, what's not too love? Every one should be made responsible for their own food safety as nearly all food contains some risk.

  • MegJack102

    MegJack102 said 4 years ago

    My mother lowered her cholesterol 100 points in one year by drinking RAW WHOLE MILK!!! It is one of the single most important things you can do for your health! It is beyond me that in this country it is legal to purchase cigarettes but not raw milk.

  • lynsiex

    lynsiex said 4 years ago

    I don't drink milk often, but when I do its always raw. I'm fairly lactose intolerant, and its the only stuff that doesn't give me a bellyache! Luckily, I live in a state where it is legal to buy from the farmer, so I always have a local guy bring me some to the farmer's market. YUM.

  • nlynaolu

    nlynaolu said 4 years ago

    I love raw milk... TOTALLY different than the store bought ones that have been pasturized. I especially like making home-made yogurt. So easy and creamy! Drooling...

  • hipphippo

    hipphippo said 4 years ago

    The reason milk is pasteurized is because people died from all those nasties like E.Coli that exist in the milk, no matter how clean the cow or farmer is. I'm pretty sure no one who drinks milk from the grocery store is suffering from malnourishment. Every time a person drinks raw milk they risk contracting one of these deadly illnesses, it's not politics, it's microbiology. If a family member dies of E.Coli, will you still drink raw milk?

  • IntheMoodforVintage

    IntheMoodforVintage said 4 years ago

    Here is the link to the story you heard about about the attack on the Amish farmers. It is a wonderful article written by Bonnie Kristian on the website: campaignforliberty.com. http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=1456 At the bottom of the article, click on the link to find out who your rep is and tell them (call or email) that you want Bill H.R. 1830 passed, which would legalize interstate commerce of the sale of raw milk. Guess who introduced the bill? None other than Congressman Ron Paul, who as you know is running for President 2012. You can thank him for always looking out for your rights. And for those of you who do not know about Ron Paul, he is a doctor and has delivered close to 4k babies...so he should know. I was just pleasantly surprised to find an article on etsy about raw milk and ecstatic, I'd like to say! Fight for your right to eat and drink whatever you want to consume. Bottom line, Congress writes legislature not permitting us to drink raw milk, because they believe we are too "unintelligent" to make our own decisions. Have you ever looked at the bloated, overfed politicians who make these decisions for us? It is comical when you think about it. They know nothing about food, diet or exercise! So, help Ron Paul to get H.R. 1830 passed in Congress. Not only is our milk not worthy of drinking, but when you start realizing that most of the foods that are sold in our grocery stores are genetically modified aka GMOs, you will be horrified that you are eating nothing more than Frankenstein foods. Pure chemicals, no nutritional value you will understand why you are always tired, your stomachs hurt, you have dry skin, etc. BHT and BHA are two preservative that are in most of our foods that require shelf life. They are know carcinogens however they are in all of your foods, boxed goods, children's foods. BHA, BHT are banned in some countries but not here. Ditto for artificial sweeteners, anything in those little yellow, blue or pink packets are deadly. So you see government regulation isn't knowledgeable regulation...so WHY depend on it. Depend on your own intelligence and you will be much happier and healthier. I mention this because we need to fight, not just for a piece of the pie, we need to fight for the whole pie. You can think of it this way too...if raw dairy was so bad for us, then civilization would have completely died off when consuming it years ago and Louis Pasteur would not have been born. You can google more info about how Louis Pasteur actually realized that he made a grave mistake when he realized how pasteurization did not benefit people. Knowledge is power...take it back...read. To those of you who don't like "ideas" that are shared, please just read up a bit more. Why do you want to be "regulated"? Do you think you need someone to tell you that you are not smart enough to take a Tylenol for your headache or vitamin C? Read up on "Codex Alimentarius" as they are trying to regulate health store products, not for "your health" but for "their lobbyists". Read up on : www.vitamindcouncil.org if you really want to see how to stay healthy and you will never need a flu shot. You will be AMAZED when you find out what researchers have linked vitamin D3 deficiency to...everything from a-z. Before taking, however, get a blood test: 25(OH)D, stand for 25-hydroxyvitamin D. Make sure this test is checked off, as doctors check off the wrong box all the time. You can raise your immune system. We all need to take back our health, quality of foods and water. We should not be asking Congress but demanding it. We all have to remember that "they" work for "us"... not the other way around. We hired them, we can fire them IF we choose to do so. On fats: there are good fats and bad fats. The bad fats that are touted as good fats are: soybean oil, canola oil (genetically modified garbage). My family uses coconut oil, cold pressed/organic/olive oil/flax seed oil. They have clean arteries, fit bodies, workout enthusiasts/etc and amazing energy. Good fats revitalize your body and are also food for the brain and restore the function of cells. What's more important is to get up and move, not over fed ourselves and valuate everything that goes into our bodies. Those that don't get good fats, have very dry skin, nails that peel and break off and their hair does not grow. Hope I haven't been a nag...lol...but we are nothing without the health of our bodies.

  • freerangeart

    freerangeart said 4 years ago

    I think cows milk was intended for baby cows. That being said I love the occasional glass of buttermilk just for the taste. I think homogenization is a huge concern since it does not allow the milk to separate from the cream I believe I read in the book Eat to Live that our bodies also cannot separate the milk to process it and can react as if it is a toxin. That a lot of people that think they are lactose intolerant are actually homogenization intolerant. Mentioned also is the concern that through automated milking machines, if not removed at the proper time can, once the all the milk has been extracted , then ( suck out ) undesirable things that you would rather not drink. Something to think on........

  • IntheMoodforVintage

    IntheMoodforVintage said 4 years ago

    Here is the link about the Amish farmer by Bonnie Kristian. http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=1456 In a book, The Medical Mafia, Dr Lanctôt debunks pasteurization with a one-two punch. Old Louis Pasteur hid his real research notes...read and find out the truth. Google for an eye opener. Regulation is more about profiteering and the health of the public. I am smart enough to make my own decisions therefore I do. If you believe in your own judgement, find out who your rep is in DC... call them and tell them that you want H.R. 1830 passed...it is a law in legislature that would allow interstate commerce/selling of raw milk. I read up on this and found out that it is Ron Paul who wrote the bill. A bill to not only take the gov't out of the cow, but another bill written by Dr. Paul, to help us retain our rights. I would rather take the time and seek out a hygienic farmer and drink raw. Did you know that even though milk is pasteurized/homogenized, FDA allows a percentage of PUS to go into your milk? The cows get infections in their utters, antibiotics are added but the pus still remains. What's that question? Got Milk? Yes, but not Louis's...lol. Fat is good for you too. A good fat helps with brain activity. Studies have shown improvement in Alzheimer's patients after consuming fats. Fats nourish the cells, skin, hair, transport vitamins. Good fats allow your body to burn stored body fat. I'll say that one again. Good fats tell your body...okay, you are getting good fats, now release the stored body fat. Good fats will also give you the energy you need to get off your butt and workout. So don't be afraid to eat your fats too. (Olive Oil, Flaxseed Oil, Coconut Oil). We grew up on raw milk, delivered fresh in cold glass bottles. My mother runs around in high heels at 84 and my fathers squats and sprints around like he is 16 but is 90. You are what you eat.

  • 23LittleArtShop

    23LittleArtShop said 4 years ago

    http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/raw-medicine.html http://www.naturalnews.com/raw_milk.html http://kinetictruth.com/2011/06/24/monsantos-leading-soldier-in-the-war-on-raw-milk/

  • alessandragerevini

    alessandragerevini said 4 years ago

    I'm living with a non-dairy diet. A lot of nutritionist are maintaining the idea that dairy are not necessary for adults, even bad for our health. In fact a lot of people can't digest it, are lactose intolerant. Don't know if it's totally true, I'm trying and I'm feeling great!

  • ppwoodcrafts

    ppwoodcrafts said 4 years ago

    I raised 4 happy amd healthy kids on raw milk and fresh eggs. They are still healthy. I miss our raw milk which I haven't been able to buy for many years now. I do believe that people would be healthier just going to a farm for their milk and dairy products. I would not hesitate to buy from local farmers. I am 70 years old and drank raw milk until I was 37 years old and couldn't buy it anymore. Lets BRING back the raw unadulterated foods. Yes! Yes! Yes! I was vegan for almost 4 years. Finally went back to eating chicken, fish, small amounts of beef and dairy after realizing I was losing muscle. Not enough protein or fat in my diet.

  • richknobsales

    richknobsales said 4 years ago

    My local dairy used to deliver raw milk to my doorstep in the 70's. I miss them! They were bought out by a factory dairy, and my state made the sale of raw milk illegal for human consumption. You can buy it for your pets, though... just saying... and that new chicken jerky for dogs is pretty tasty too!

  • PennyMay99

    PennyMay99 said 4 years ago

    whoa! I think we are forgetting our history lessons! Most TB that people had 150 yrs ago was BOVINE TB- from unpasteurized milk. Pasteurizing milk made a HUGE difference in the rate of TB in humans. I am a vet and being fully aware of the transmission of Bovine TB to humans I would never drink it and would consider it negligent to give to children (unless there were no other options or I OWNED and controlled the cows the milk came from!) People often say that TB is not a problem as it is treatable with antibiotics now- however a BIG worry is the new strains of Bovine (and human) TB that are antibiotic resistant and treatment is difficult or impossible. People also point out that cows have to be TB tested - and they are, just not that often to catch them ALL immediately (you may want to also ask yourself WHY all the money and time is spent testing them all- oh and checking for signs of TB of EVERY carcass in every slaughter house. These are not fun jobs.This is not a joke or a public health "scandel") While I fully support organic/local sourcing of our food for the environment and (hopefully, although not always) improve the welfare of the animals, We need to use our brains in making these decisions and not let our ideals and aesthetics lead us to make dangerous choices. Go out there and see how TB affected people in your area before pasteurization. My hometown had a large "consumption" hospital and one of my own great grandmothers died from it. It still ravages parts of the world today.

  • Darling54

    Darling54 said 4 years ago

    There is a reason why we rely on pasteurization, it can prevent many diseases that used to cause many deaths around the world. No matter how careful a farmer is there is always a risk that the milk becomes contaminated, pasteurization offers us a chance to reduce that risk. I come from a dairy farming family and I know the respect that is given to the animals on our family farm, and even though I have had fresh milk straight from the cow, I prefer to drink pasteurized milk most of the time. I believe that pasteurization has saved countless lives. The other side of this argument needs to be examined to determine the benefit of pasteurization rather than simply advocating for raw milk and its benefits. I feel posting this article without examining and presenting the benefits of pasteurization is irresponsible. People need to be given ALL the information so they can make informed decisions that are best for them and the life they want to live.

  • PruAtelier

    PruAtelier said 4 years ago

    I'm glad to see this issue addressed here on Etsy.... My comment to those who don't trust the safety of raw milk should do the research at WestonAPrice.org and get the facts on this issue. Perhaps people can begin to see the obvious - that the hormone and antibiotic laced "food" produced on factory farms has been shown to be FAR more dangerous and unhealthy than raw milk consumption ever will be! There is an agenda here people and it is one of more and more government control over EVERY aspect of our lives and especially what we are "allowed" to eat! There's a huge food war going on out there and Monsanto and Big Pharma are feeling threatened as they should feel because they wield just a little too much power over our lives....to our detriment!

  • PruAtelier

    PruAtelier said 4 years ago

    By the way....raw milk is ABSOLUTELY delicious! Outside of goat's milk, it's been said that the most easily digestible cow's milk for those who are lactose intolerant, is from Jersey cows!

  • Reenacat

    Reenacat said 4 years ago

    I love the taste of raw milk. A few years ago, I realized that I was lactose intolerant because every time I drank regular milk, I would get flem in my throat, and it was getting worse as time went by. But when I drink raw milk, I have no symptoms at all.

  • Reenacat

    Reenacat said 4 years ago

    I raised some baby animals on raw milk after doing research and they did well. I read in the research that if given pasteurized milk, they would have died. Now if pasteurized milk will kill a baby animal, then what could it possibly be doing for us? NOTHING. It is cooked, dead, and there are NO nutrients in it at all. Also, I read in some independent research literature that pasteurized milk will not only slice your arteries, but totally clog and ruin them. Also it causes osteoperosis. The very opposite of what they are saying. They should be saying...."RAW MILK, IT DOES THE BODY GOOD!!"

  • SassySisterVintage

    SassySisterVintage said 4 years ago

    My mom grew up on a farm in New Mexico in the 1940s and 50s. She said all that was available was raw milk and that's all she ever knew. She was healthy then and at 67 years old, is healthy now. She said raw milk never made her sick. A very interesting article!

  • sweetcheeksgiftstore

    sweetcheeksgiftstore said 4 years ago

    Wonderful piece! In recent years I have become aware of the dangers of relying on the FDA to tell me what's "safe", as well as the tremendous health benefits of whole, natural foods. My family is working to prepare my parents 5 acres for gardens planted with heirloom seeds (non GMO), chickens for eggs, and hopefully goats or a cow for fresh milk, butter, cheese, and even soap. It feels like so much time has been wasted, our health compromised. I look forward to achieving a healthy, sustainable way of life, and teaching my children alongside me. BTW, as a child, my mom was only able to drink milk raw.

  • TheRetrievers

    TheRetrievers said 4 years ago

    Great article. Raw local milk is easily found up here in Vermont. I feel lucky!

  • BeaverWoodCuttings

    BeaverWoodCuttings said 4 years ago

    One earlier comment was that Humans were not meant to comsume raw milk. My response to that is that human breast milk is raw milk silly. This all boils down to knowing where you milk comes from. This debate is also a result of the consumer wanting convenient food, that resulted in processing for the masses , that resulted in Federal inspection, and ultimately Government intervention in our food system. We've brought it on ourselves for the sake of convenience! Smaller raw milk dairy farms have a tendancy to focus on the details of production, cleanliness, and quality because they believe in their product that produces their livelyhood, and those producers know the customer does too. These small producers probably wouldn't risk losing their way of life because of carelessness or producing an inferior product. Life is a roll of the dice...you can get a bacterial infection by not washing your hands regularly...heck we're surrounded by bacteria on a daily basis. The Feds can't protect us from everything...we have to do our homework, make good choices, and do that for ourselves. If we WOULD get a bacerial infecton from raw milk and croak (most wouldn't), at least we died happy and healthy and it was our choice.

  • leebeads

    leebeads said 4 years ago

    While human breast milk is indeed raw, it is created to meet the needs of human infants. Cow's milk is specifically for calves, and so not "natural" to humans at all. That being said, I worked on a small family owned dairy when in college. There was always at least one cow that was suffering mastitis, in some stage. Those cows still get milked, only the teat gets avoided, when recieving antibiotics. So the infection will exist within the udder, and can spread to other functioning teats. Responsible farmers evaluate the physical conditions and determine when to cease adding the milk to the general tank. So, your health is dependent on the experience, skill, knowledge, and general temperment of the farmer, or farmer's helper on any given day. At some point in history, poor conditions prevailed, making raw cow's milk a hazard. So regulations were instituted, for the safety of the general public. I have washed and stripped teats. I can see how bacteria could get missed. Most of these posting begin with past memories of what it was like back in the day. Now the farms and dairies are much larger, with much more likelihood of employee error. the focus is on large scale production, (we have a lot of people to feed), and speed translates into profit. I would like to see a transition between the two mindsets to regain quality, and flavor as well as financial sustainablility within the dairy industry. And just a note: The cows that "God made" didn't even remotely resemble the over-bred, highly sensitive, enormous-udderbearing creatures we refer to as Dairy cattle, today!!

  • baconsquarefarm

    baconsquarefarm said 4 years ago

    Great read - very informative. Mr pete drank raw milk from the dairy cows on our farm as a child growing up and his mom made butter as well. Love listening to his story's from childhood days on this farm.

  • asunlitwalk

    asunlitwalk said 4 years ago

    I am one of the people who suffered digestive problems for years. When my husband brought home our first cow, I was concerned at the yellow color of the Guernsy milk but oh what a rich sweet treat it was. Not only did drinking the raw milk solve my digestive problem, it seems that it may have cured it forever. I have not had raw milk for over ten years and I still have not returned to the old problems. I miss the idea of having a milk cow but not the work. I made cheese three or four times a week when the cow was fresh. I could sell some milk for pet use only but--well--the demand didn't always match the incoming milk supply.

  • NewportMermaid

    NewportMermaid said 4 years ago

    I am so glad Etsy chose to print this article and that it has sparked such a lively and informed discussion on both sides. I do believe, first and foremost, that Americans have a right to CHOICE. I am a nurse, who has always had a strong interest in food and nutrition. I also have suffered all my life from a "bad stomach", now more accurately diagnosed as Irritable Bowel Syndrome and Reflux Disease (GERD). I have always had week long episodes of GI upset, and been unable to eat or put weight on, no matter what eating regimen was prescribed. Relatively recent advances in medications (proton pump inhibitors), daily greek yogurt and probiotic supplements (both for "good" bacteria), organic, locally grown and raised veggies, meat, and dairy, have changed my life. Damage from reflux has already been done--hiatal hernia, destruction to my esophagus (throat) and it's motility (swallowing). But I can now eat with out fear of vomiting or pain as long as I stick to my plan. I went on a weeklong herbal medicine and wildcrafting seminar in Asheville, NC, in 2006, and was introduced to a raw diet. The milk products served--cheese, yogurt, milk, butter--were all produced from raw milk from shared ownership cows. Purchase is illegal in NC and in RI where I live. My stomach was so happy with raw. It took until this year to find a farm, 40 min away, that offers raw milk, and i feel so much better. It's delicious! That said, care should be taken in what is given to children. Parents should inform themselves and discuss with their pediatrician. Families in cities, and the underprivileged, may not have access to farm fresh products, so there is a place for the traditional pasteurized dairy. People who choose pasteurized or have no other option, obviously have access to milk products. Those who prefer raw should have the same access and choice. I can't always get raw because I sometimes don't have time to get it. I'm glad to have the option.

  • cmq52

    cmq52 said 4 years ago

    Like everything you ingest- know your sources! Having had raw milk, it does taste much better, very creamy and sweet. In CO you can get raw milk if you're part owner of a cow. Since the dairy is far from where I live now, I no longer get it. I do find the milk that is in glass bottles tastes better and I never buy any dairy that's ultra-pasteurized. If I was going to purchase raw milk again, I would make a visit to the dairy, then make a decision.

  • marianamex

    marianamex said 4 years ago

    I live in Mexico in the country with all farmers, and one day my friend who lives next door and I bought some fresh milk from one of them. We thought, since we grow our own organic vegetables, we should start drinking fresh milk. We drank a big glass for breakfast, and began to get cramps and diarrhea! We decided not to do that again. I know the things we probably should have done, like wait a day and skim of the fat and maybe boil the milk, but it didn't seem worth it somehow. I do eat raw milk cheese up here in the mountains, though, made by the native people, and it's amazing. Either goat or cow. And we buy eggs right out of the chickens that get to run around naturally and eat good food. And there are health food stores down in Cuernavaca where we can get organic milk.

  • CasePhile

    CasePhile said 4 years ago

    I work in the dairy industry in QA and I can tell you that most, if not all, of the contamination in milk comes from farm and processing equipment. Most people have no idea how many surfaces their milk touches before it gets to them in the carton or bottle. If you have your own cow and can control its sanitary conditions, raw milk is more than likely fine. The real problems occur when milk from thousands of cows gets mixed together and processed on machine after machine, and rides around in trucks, etc. I've seen a lot of disgusting things and I would never ever drink raw milk from a silo. But if I knew the cow personally, that would be a different story. I think it's necessary to have the regulations because people just don't realize how the product is processed.

  • icedreams

    icedreams said 4 years ago

    Here is PA, we have options to buy raw milk. Our family has drank it for years and I make butter, yogurt and cheeses from it. The trick in buying raw milk is have options, look around and know your farmer and his practices and find that farm that has the same ideas in farming as you do. I know two farms closer to me that charge half the price of what I pay. But I disagree with their care of their animals and/or the conditions of their huge farms. I choose to travel 30 minutes to a smaller farm, that raises Guernsey cows instead of Holstein cows and their cows are truly grass cows, being out on pasture except during milking time. Their milking parlor and the rest of the farm is also extremely clean. I can buy pre-bottled milk or bring my gallon glass jars for fill up. My kids call whole milk from the grocery store "fake milk". My oldest daughter has lactose issues, yet when she drinks raw milk or things made from it, she doesn't have any problems.

  • sadye03

    sadye03 said 4 years ago

    I grew up on a dairy farm and have drank raw milk all my life. I have never gotten any kind of bad disease or sickness from it or even ever been very sick and never broke a bone. Although it is a little fattening. I once quit drinking it for about 2 weeks and lost 10 pounds but I rarely drink anything besides milk. I strongly believe that the big businesses are just trying to make their money but i also agree that you need to know how to keep those kind of sicknesses out of milk as well.

  • archaicdesign

    archaicdesign said 4 years ago

    Would you consider drinking raw milk? Where do you get your dairy? ________ no, but I do encourage baby cows to drink up.

  • CreationsByRobin

    CreationsByRobin said 4 years ago

    I would love to have the option of drinking raw milk (illegal in NJ) and I wish the government would stop telling me what I can and cannot eat/drink. Their concern is not legit or they'd have made tobacco illegal decades ago... If anyone knows of a reputable dairy farm in Pa (near the NJ border) that sells raw milk and dairy products, I'd love to have their name/location. Thanks for the blog!

  • veryvera

    veryvera said 4 years ago

    I recently watched the movie "Food, Inc." and recommend it to anyone that is concerned about toxic food. Any wonder we are hearing food recalls nearly every other week now. E. Coli in fruit, veggies meat. We buy our beef one cow at a time from an Amish farmer and get our chickens the same way. Would love to find a source for natural milk. There was a dairy farm close by but has gone out of business over the past 10 years. Buy heirloom seeds, learn to garden, cook, can, preserve and dry your food. Don't buy commercial seeds. Watch the movie and you will understand why. Great BLOG!

  • bluebeeinatree

    bluebeeinatree said 4 years ago

    Maybe the strict regulations surrounding raw milk production are really intended to keep large scale dairies from trying to market it. Small producers can turn on a dime, and find ways to get their milk to consumers through farm shares. It's the larger "factory" diaries that can't, and that's probably exactly how the authorities intended it. Raw milk is great, we have many small farms near us that sell it. Especially the fact that it is usually not homogenized, and you can skim the cream if you want to.

  • KormanandKings

    KormanandKings said 4 years ago

    I feel that this doesn't belong on Etsy. As a senior animal science major at a top agriculture university in the US, I find this article both ridiculous and offensive. I'm not a dairy producer myself, but I do know a lot of people that either grew up on dairy farms or are just plain into dairy. I love Etsy but when I see articles like this, that are very biased and have blatant politic undertones, it makes me want to not read the blog. Yes, there is a huge disconnect between people and their food since we switched from an agrarian to an industrial society. But articles like this are less enlightening than they seem. They lack FACTS and spread a lot of misinformation! It also opens up the whole vegan topic which is even less appropriate for Etsy. It is very obvious that the author actually knows very little about the food, animal, and dairy industries. Also, ALL farmers care about their animals, conventional or otherwise. Sadly their are always bad apples in the bunch in any industry. 98 % of farms in America are family owned!

  • domesticdebbie

    domesticdebbie said 4 years ago

    I love fresh milk and eggs :)

  • Fibrillaria

    Fibrillaria said 4 years ago

    I feel very fortunate to live in Hungary and have access to raw milk at the market, just decide which old lady you want to buy it from! The benefits of drinking raw milk, sour milk and fresh cream are there, if you haven't tried it - you must. Like with anything, proceed with caution if the cleanliness is questionable...this being said, we raised goats for three years and never heat treated the milk, it was wonderful. My husband grew up in Romania, before 1989, everyone bought raw milk and treated it at home, IF they wished to do so. Etsy, I think this is a great topic, it is good to see some controversial subjects talked about in the open, not just behind shut barn doors and offices of politicians.

  • FruitOfMyHands

    FruitOfMyHands said 4 years ago

    I drank raw milk that I purchased from a coworker when I was pregnant with my first child 36 years ago. I loved it. I aso wonder about the FDA and their motives, sorry to say. Presently, in Ohio, no one will sell you their raw milk because of fear of reprisal. We drink organic milk purchased at a chain store. Is it time for a food revolution?

  • SisterMaryTopiary

    SisterMaryTopiary said 4 years ago

    I get raw milk from a local farmer. I know exactly where it comes from and I watch the cows in the field every day. I have been inside the dairy and the barns quite a few times. I find that when my stomach is queasy, the best cure is a glass of raw milk. It settles things right down. However, I would never advise someone to drink raw milk unless they knew the farmer, knew the cows, knew the health of the cows and the farmer's milking technique and sanitation practices in the dairy. It is also important to know how the animals are fed. Unless you live right next to the farm, and know the farmer and the herd very well, stick to pasteurized milk!

  • bhangtiez

    bhangtiez said 4 years ago

    This was a very informative read. I also enjoyed reading many of the comments and seeing how passionate people are and how opinions can differ so greatly on this subject.

  • RossLab

    RossLab said 4 years ago

    Why should be illegal to buy raw milk?I think everybody should be free to decide and take their own risk/decisions. In my opinion there are definitely marketing and commercial reasons behind these bans. Keep up the local organic productions, long live to the raw milk!

  • FestiveChicken

    FestiveChicken said 4 years ago

    While we dont have fresh milk here my family has a small flock of backyard city chickens. There is nothing like fresh eggs for breakfast, cooking and baking! I had co workers try them and then not be able to buy a dozen eggs at the store when I had none to sell them. They decided to just go without til I had some to sell! Not only that but the girls are such great pets. Each has her own personality. We will never be hen less again.

  • greenappleworks

    greenappleworks said 4 years ago

    This is a very heated and popular topic for many. First of all, the invention of pasteurization has done wonders to modern health, mortality, and safety of the modernized world. I love that we, as a species, grow and learn...that makes us different from other mammals. That being said, I think fresh milk is great. Buying local is so important. However, I see people here in Indiana constantly joining "shares" and co ops, just to get that fresh raw milk. Then, they proceed to use and store it in their fridge for two or three weeks! Now, the best part of pasteurization and homogenization is that milk lasts longer. It lasts longer because there is less bacteria. Raw milk does not last two weeks....it is meant to be consumed that day! This irks me so much.

  • artworksbycarol

    artworksbycarol said 4 years ago

    Where our food comes from is very important to me . I enjoy having choices and not being regulated to death.

  • caradesigns

    caradesigns said 4 years ago

    Wow, what a debate! First off, as a nutrition major, I'd say that lactose intolerance can't be technically "cured" by raw milk, as lactose intolerance is caused by the person being unable to produce the enzyme, lactase, that digests the milk sugar. All sugars can only be digested with their respective enzymes. It has nothing to do with the fat in the milk, by the way. My guess is that something in the raw milk that is killed during pasteurization assists with the digestion of the lactose, therefore eliminating the symptoms. Also as a nutrition major, I can see both sides of the debate. One side says: unpasteurized milk has the greater possibility of pathogens, so let's pasteurize and kill 'em! No need to get sick. The other side says: raw milk tastes better, is more natural ("natural" is not a good argument all by iteslf; deadly nightshade is also quite natural), works better for cream, contains good bacteria, etc. I personally would want to do what many on here have done: do my homework before deciding to drink raw milk, and then I would certainly try it. As far as the regulation issue, I think it's sort of silly to make raw milk illegal in the same way that it, as someone else so aptly pointed out, would be silly to make raw chicken illegal. Nobody is suggesting, by selling raw chicken, that it's safe to eat. However, it allows the purchaser to choose the method of serving and preparation.

  • caradesigns

    caradesigns said 4 years ago

    And sorry about the huge block of text. It bugs me that I can't do paragraphs in this comment box...

  • LANCERIKA

    LANCERIKA said 4 years ago

    Wish I could overcome my Germs phobia,it ultimately *boils down to freedom of choice* no?

  • wolfatc

    wolfatc said 4 years ago

    The organic food movement is moving dangerously close to the sort of anti-science, pseudo-science position I associate with kooks. I am disappointed by Etsy's pushing of an agenda without any facts, with an article written almost entirely with appeals to emotion. As mentioned by posters above, "natural" doesn't always mean better. The flu is natural.

  • hillbillyartist

    hillbillyartist said 4 years ago

    Good article, glad to see it posted here, the raids on farms are getting out of hand. Our farmers are not terrorists. The farms that are being raided have OUR best interest at heart! They should be raiding the Corporate farms, who do not care about us, they only care about profits. I would drink milk again if I could buy raw organic milk in my state. I have switched my family over to rice milk to avoid any hormones in the milk. I think consumers should have a choice to buy it, the gov't in the name of protection has taken away our freedom or choice. Our gov't makes us fear our choices, and then takes them away. I would prefer to make the choice for my family , the gov't needs to get theirs hands away from my food. They are too closely in bed with the corporations. Do you want corporations running your life?

  • pukkacrew

    pukkacrew said 4 years ago

    The food industry in America is something else! We already have a poor diet that contributes to obesity, and a host of other health problems, yet it seems that the people who currently hold the power to help change things, only care about getting more money, and shutting down anybody getting in their way. so crazy. what would happen if we could just boycott the food industry entirely. Of course, the stereotypical lazy American would disagree, but maybe one day, people will realize that eating something you grew yourself, or you know who grew it, not only tastes so much better, and so much cleaner than all the chemical hulked up stuff on the supermarket shelves, but it's so much more rewarding to. It's such an accomplishment to produce your own food.

  • raebird

    raebird said 4 years ago

    Great article! Raw milk and raw milk products from pasture-fed cows, goats, ad sheep are some of the healthiest foods on the planet! Humans have eaten raw milk products for thousands of years with no great health hazards. Raw animal milk contains "bioactive" components which kill foreign microbes and stimulate the immune system. When a cow is fed an unhealthy, unnatural diet, it's milk becomes unhealthy. When milk is pasteurized, because the cows are sick, most of the nutrients become highly modified and or killed. Enzymes like "lactase", which is essential to the digestion of the milk's sugar-lactose and phosphatase which is essential for the release and absorption of calcium, are destroyed. Therefor you have people unable to digest the milk because the milk is unhealthy and lacking the very important enzymes needed for a healthy gut and proper digestion! Raw milk is alkaline and soothing to your stomach while cooked milk becomes acidic and creates irritation in your digestive system. I am just sharing this because I was stopped consuming dairy over 12 years ago because of "Lactose Intolerance". Then over the last 5 years I became Gluten Intolerant, and was diagnosed with IBS. I was miserable until I learned about the importance of a healthy gut and how good and healing raw dairy products can be. I started consuming raw keifer, youghurt and milk as well as raw saurkraut and my life has completely changed! I forgot what it felt like to not have stomach pains and irritation all the time. I now am eating raw dairy regularly and am able to eat wheat now without issues. I am a believer in Raw Milk and a healthy gut! I just watched a really good movie about raw milk and the war on our small farms in America, called Farmaggedon. It's time we fight for out right to eat what we want!

  • aromaticbodyoils

    aromaticbodyoils said 4 years ago

    I can understand the concern. I do not drink milk, just soy milk with my protein shake, so I do not miss it. I have grown to dislike the take of regular milk over the years. I would love to taste some fresh milk straight from the the source.

  • mountainbrook

    mountainbrook said 4 years ago

    I grew up it was on a small farm on the coast of Maine. I was the oldest of 4, therefore the majority of the farm chores fell on my shoulders, including milking our family cow, caring for the animals and the gardening. Bless our Jernsey (that's a cross between a Jersy and a Gernsey cow. I also had a market garden during my teens with a roadside stand -- about 3 acres of vegetable garden with a few flowers also for sale. We had pigs, chickens and a few sheep. There was not much that we ate that I did not produce. Lobster and clams was our "poor" food since we were right on the coast and I had a small row boat and a small string of lobster traps and could go clamming whenever i had the time. The milk we got from that cow was something. Put the milk in a milk bottle, let it sit for a couple of hours and you could turn the bottle up-side-down without a cap and nothing would come out. That is how thick the cream was. Home made butter, but what I remember the most is the ice cream my mother would make from that milk. I also remember my Mother and I stayed up one night until about 2AM and canned 21 bushels of corn. I left there and spent 30 years in high technology, computer systems actually. Was hardly ever sick on the farm, but my health really became a problem out in the world. Was it the food, the milk or just hard liming in the 'real' world and being older. I don't know, but I haven't eaten as well since I left the farm. As far as the FDA is concerned. First, any decision they make is by committee. We all know that true advances in any field that requires intellect is by individuals, not committees. I watch the medical field very closely because I lost a brother to leukemia, my son has what now is considered to be terminal cancer and I have severe COPD. I look at the rest of the world through the internet and other publications and see where they are progressing in medical research much faster that we are. Let me rephrase. Our research progresses as quickly, the time to bring the benefit of that research to the people that need it lags severely behind the time to market in many other companies. I know of treatment using an individuals stem cells to culture and then return the result back to the same individual which is providing huge relief to many people in many countries. Meanwhile, in the USA we have to wait for a committee of 2nd rate individuals who could not make it on their own in the real world to get over their NIH (Not Invented Here) bias to release procedures that have been accepted in other countries for years. I have met the enemy and it is the Congress of the United States and the power they have given to certain agencies such as the FDA.

  • catiques

    catiques said 4 years ago

    I really appreciate and love this article. It caught my eye andI finally took the time to completely read it. I also was raised on pure cow's milk and fresh butter that I was able to help make, I surely complained at the time about churning. I call that good eating and MAKING MEMORIES. thanks

  • LysanderNViviana

    LysanderNViviana said 4 years ago

    Very interesting article. I see I'm not the only one who thinks that processed food is getting us people sick. When I was younger I would drink lots of milk but over the years I have become lactose intolerant, I have never had the luck to taste raw milk but if I had the chance to I would drink it in a heart beat.

  • TinsAndThings

    TinsAndThings said 4 years ago

    As a few others have mentioned as well, milk from cows is meant for calves, NOT people. We need calcium, yes, but not dairy. And the claim that 98% of farms in America are family owned is hogwash. "The percentage of cows in large operations with 1000 or more cows has risen steadily from 0 in 1992 to 44% in 2010. That is almost every other cow! The trend is slowing down, but dismally slowly for the thirteen million cows alive today trapped in the U.S. dairy industry. Cow milk cartons may try to impress upon us the romantic image of dairy farms in pleasant bucolic settings, but it is a foul distortion of the truth. When we buy and drink cow's milk, there is less than a 1-in-5 chance that the cow whose milk we are drinking is in a small farm with fewer than 100 cows." So some may still call farms with more than 1000 cows "family owned", but at that size they're nothing but factories. Google "factory farming" to see the price cows have to pay for the milk humans drink.

  • ArtemisThePhoenix

    ArtemisThePhoenix said 4 years ago

    Reading this article & comments only makes me thankful for the childhood upbringing I had on a dairy farm in Australia. "Raw Milk" was the ONLY milk my family drank,but ironically as a small child I was allergic to some dairy products for a few years and drank powdered milk as a substitute. ( and yes It tasted like dish water in comparison!!!) We spent many hours carefully separating the cream, and churning it for home made butter. We also grew our own vegetables, had a small orchard of figs, quinces, apples, apricots and plums, that were preserved or dried when ripe and enjoyed all throughout the year. There was also local tomato growers in the area and even now as an adult I crave the taste of home made quince jam, or tomato relish. We also hand reared calves, for meat and milk, lambs, for meat and wool that my mother would spin and then knit into beanies and jumpers and chickens for meat & eggs.This lifestyle wasn't just about the food tho it was DIY everything, transport, construction & sewing, maybe that's why I love Etsy so much?? 30+ years on, and 800km away my life has changed in so many ways, I still shop at the city farmers markets that exist, yet sadly somehow I feel a lot of them are just cashing in on a trend. Call me cynical but I know that tiny 120gm tub of quince paste really isn't worth the $10 you want for it... Why? cuz I just made some for less than half that price myself! I'm ever thankful to my parents for that extremely well engrained sense of self sustainability.... now to pass it on.

  • Archivia

    Archivia said 4 years ago

    I've been wanting to get raw milk for some time. Looks like I'd have to go to Pennsylvania or Connecticut to get it. Come on NY, get with it!

  • craftychris

    craftychris said 4 years ago

    I remember reading (can't find it now) that during the outbreak of cowpox (similar to smallpox) in the 1900's (? from memory, so I could be wrong) that milk maids and dairy workers who drank raw milk were immune because they were naturally vaccinated through their diet of raw milk and raw milk products. Now, this was history taught 25 years ago when I was in high school. I was facinated then about it, but not much more was taught. Anyone else able to find this information?

  • ashholler

    ashholler said 4 years ago

    Raw milk is alright if you're not a woman of child-bearing age. Listeria infections are known to cause miscarriage, stillbirths, and problems with new babies. Considering the target audience of this site though, this is something that needs to be carefully considered.

  • craftychris

    craftychris said 4 years ago

    Ok, here is a small link to milk maid immunity and raw milk and the history of milk. http://milk.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000832

  • LazyTcrochet

    LazyTcrochet said 4 years ago

    I miss raw milk. I remember taking our glass bottles to the local farm and exchanging them. It was a wonderful after school treat. It's one of those things that you don't know what you miss until it's gone.

  • rokkitgurl

    rokkitgurl said 4 years ago

    ‎"Regulators want to protect the public from pathogenic bacteria that cause diseases such as tuberculosis, salmonella and listeria. But proponents argue that the pasteurization process kills beneficial proteins and enzymes essential for maintaining digestive health." So people want a bit more protein whilst exposing themselves to pathogenic bacteria?!!? Sorry, this is insane and stupid. I come from a self-sustaining farm in Minnesota that my parents still operate. We use the pasteurization process because of the dangers of VERY dangerous illnesses. Taking chances is NOT worth it, especially when you are putting innocent consumers at risk. I understand that there have been successes with bacteria free raw milk producers in California. Great, fine. THAT is not the norm. Not enough of these farmers are taking the EXTREME cautions and ensuring the diet, health and lifestyle of their cows... Consuming raw milk in America is dangerous because of the diet in 99.9% of cows. Cows and other livestock in America are fed unimaginable foods, filled with steroids and stimulants. Until stricter regulations are made in this country to ban these chemicals, I will NOT consume raw milk here. Period. Hipsters are jumping all over this because it's so against the mainstream. Some stupid hipster is going to buy a cow, sell the milk to his friends and it'll be the freakin' Jones Cult Massacre all over again... Actually, that sounds like my absolute dream situation. One less hipster would make my life better.

  • culpepergeneral

    culpepergeneral said 4 years ago

    Just a few things...Raw milk is great and yummy and I used to drink it a lot. Until my entire family became pretty ill from one milk delivery. Those teats are awfully close to the poo part, and it is very easy to contaminate milk. My husband was a dairy farmer for over 5 years on two different farms so we know. We were sick for almost two weeks, lost a bunch of weight because we could not eat. My young niece finally went to the emergency room because she could not hold anything in. Very scary for me, and not worth it. Will not do it again, no matter where it comes from. That was my experience. Just be very careful, a clean farm is actually not clean all of the time. If I were to get it again, I would research how to "pasturize" at home, with a low boil or whatever is recommended.

  • KateEckstein

    KateEckstein said 4 years ago

    Check out this new documentary all about this important topic! http://farmageddonmovie.com/

  • chickadeejewelry

    chickadeejewelry said 4 years ago

    A friend of mine wrote an article about this. It is another perspective: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/article710750.ece

  • OhSoBoho

    OhSoBoho said 4 years ago

    Wonderful article. Thank you for encouraging people to educate themselves about raw milk (and our food supply chain as a whole!) We get a gallon a week from a herd share program...the only legal way to get raw milk in CO is from your own cow...and it is the most delicious thing you have ever tasted. Not to mention it is fantastic for your skin! However it is very misunderstood and treated as something to be fearful of...I have been accused by close friends and family members of being abusive to and endangering my children solely because they are given raw milk.

  • AtelierAdornments

    AtelierAdornments said 4 years ago

    Remembering my childhood, I knew an old lady who suffered in the aftermath of what they called in the old days, "Undulent Fever" -- the actual name is brucellosis. It was pretty terrible, and she caught it in her childhood from the family's single cow, kept to provide for their needs. I'm for pasteurization.

  • Taylormade303

    Taylormade303 said 4 years ago

    PLEASE do not encourage people to consume raw milk!! bad, bad idea. If you consume raw milk YOU take the chance of exposing yourself to disease. Sure if you are a healthy adult, you may have gastrointestinal symptoms for a few days/weeks and recover just fine. HOWEVER not everyone is able to fight of thinks like Escherichia coli 0157:H7, Campylobacter, or Salmonella! I work in public health and disease control and I can't tell you how many times I talk to people who consume or feed their kids raw milk and end up in the ER because they have such severe symptoms they are dehydrated or worse-dealth. Would you feed your child RAW "organic" beef? come on people! Transmission of infectious disease in raw milk is well documented. PLEASE make a smart decision and only consume pasteurized dairy product. (if you don’t, I guess that is job security for me). Etsy, I am a bit disappointed. What is next? Anti-vaccine? please educate yourself: www.realrawmilkfacts.com

  • amckernan

    amckernan said 4 years ago

    Dictatoroftheworld and Taylormade303, I highly suggest you do some research before automatically shutting down your views on raw milk! I have bough milk from Organic Pastures MANY times, and I did my research before buying regularly. Did you know that the FDA has them their milk for pathogens regularly, yet their milk consistently has less pathogens than the pasteurized milk being sold in California? Also, please do some research on live active cultures, and how they protect you from many diseases, including things such as salmonella. The risks of consuming raw milk from a responsible farmer are not any greater than your risks of disease from under cooking your PASTEURIZED eggs.

  • amckernan

    amckernan said 4 years ago

    Also, ANY food out there can give you disease, knowing someone that got disease form a certain product does NOT mean that the majority of people will have the sam outcome from consuming that product. Scare tactics by those in places like CDC and the FDA are making our food LESS safe, not safer!

  • BettyBender

    BettyBender said 4 years ago

    This is so interesting thanks!

  • RootsSoapCo

    RootsSoapCo said 4 years ago

    I loves me my raw milk! I get 1/2 gallon a week for my babies and for kefir. It's the best, and the only milk I can handle with a dairy allergy.

  • sugarmaplehill

    sugarmaplehill said 4 years ago

    We are raw milk drinkers, have been for...I think 6-8 years? I don't actually remember. I can't stand non-raw milk anymore, it makes me sick to my stomach. We get ours pretty much straight out of a cow. Sometimes it's still warm!

  • momawake

    momawake said 4 years ago

    http://www.naturalnews.com/033428_FDA_secret_war.html If the FDA is successful there will be no raw milk for anyone.

  • groovyglassgirl

    groovyglassgirl said 4 years ago

    they've taken it away from Canadians as well. The "loophole" was to buy a share in a cow and then every week pick up your share of the cows offerings thus not actually purchasing raw milk from anyone because it's your cow....but they have tried to stop this too. It's not about what is and isn't safe to eat..... it's about having the option to eat whatever we want to eat, whatever we feel is necessary for our own health. These corporations have proven time and time again that they are in it for the money and NOT for prevention of disease. If they were concerned about our health there would be no such thing as a food label that wasn't understandable. MSG, natural flavor & high fructose corn syrup (to name a few) would be against the law.

  • juln

    juln said 4 years ago

    Given how dangerous to everyone's health industrial, chemical factory farming is (even to people who don't consume their products!) it's a bit of an evil joke that they act like they're saving us from about raw organic milk.

  • ParisPennsylvania

    ParisPennsylvania said 4 years ago

    For those of you who think the FDA can't protect our food sources you need to know that number of inspectors was slashed during the 8 yrs of Bush and now can't keep up with the required inspections. There will be even more cuts due to budget cuts now. I guess the american people's safety is just not that important. So we're better off growing or buying local when we can and knowing where our food comes from.

  • itselemental

    itselemental said 4 years ago

    Corporate Food Nation would like to put a stop to the "eat local" food movement... thanks for posting this article- here's what's happening in Vermont: http://www.ruralvermont.org./issues/milk/2009/consumerfactsheet.pdf

  • SWEPTinFROMtheSEA

    SWEPTinFROMtheSEA said 4 years ago

    I <3 raw milk!! I have a friend who has a couple of cows. When they are producing, I am buying! I love making my own butter and using the cream for my morning coffee. There really is nothing like it! I had a lot of people (including a very well educated Ag. teacher) FREAK out when I told them about my milk. I just calmly explained my friend's farming practices and told them that I trusted this milk completly. I worked in a grocery store for over 12 years and I hate buying milk there. It tastes terrible and is often exposed to unsafe storage temperatures. Raw milk all the way!

  • aember

    aember said 4 years ago

    DeepBlueSun nails it, so I won't repeat. Moreover, the only reason people think raw is healthful is because they're living in a developed nation where pasteurization of dairy is law. People elsewhere in the world look at us slack-jawed when we say we drink raw milk when they pasteurize it in a few minutes on the stovetop, or refuse to vaccinate our children when theirs are dying daily from the want of it. We yearn for living "naturally", but most people don't understand that means being responsible for the known risks in nature, and they simply do NOT comprehend the illnesses that pasteurization prevents. We want the freedom to, ironically, assume the risk of documented diseases from raw milk in the name of an undocumented health benefit of raw milk. And of course, we also want none of the responsibility for cleaning up our messes. Of the numerous well-documented outbreaks from raw milk and vaccine refusal, the very costly duty of outbreak investigation and control is never assumed by those who who start them. No, that winds up the responsibility of the gov't—funded by taxpayers who drink pasteurized milk & vaccinate their kids. Yes, raw milk IS delicious. So is sex without condoms.

  • aember

    aember said 4 years ago

    And I'm an ardent locavore & organic farming advocate, strongly against factory farming for the health risks and inhumane conditions that surround it. I am, however, not blind to facts. We are part of Nature, & Nature is only as perfect as we are.

  • Moosemaniac

    Moosemaniac said 4 years ago

    I too raise dairy goats. Along with their great personalities & wonderful antics, they produce lots & lots of wonderful, fresh, raw milk. It's all we drink. We also use it to make cheeses, soaps & other treats like fudge. The US & State Goverments as well as the FDA simply want to control what we eat. How ofter do they tell us "X" is bad for you, only to change that a year or two later telling us it's the best thing since sliced bread?

  • jcsilverman1

    jcsilverman1 said 4 years ago

    The food that is given regulation and political backing in this country is making us sick. It is because we have moved away from natures natural table. We have sat down at the table with chemicals, genetic modification, synthetic additives and torture to our animals. We have turned our back on our life force. We have been in a industry induced coma. They will stop at nothing to poison us and our children for the sake of profit and you must think that a sick country will spend more money than a healthy country. Big Pharma and our Big AG are one in the same. Its a war that has been taking our life's for generations and we are just now joining the fight. I hope we win! For our children's sake

  • momof2peanutz

    momof2peanutz said 4 years ago

    Okay......... ready....??....... Raw milk: OF COURSE it's not guaranteed to be healthy... you can easily get diseases from it! .. Okay, so you're bummed because it tastes so good? So do a lot of things that aren't good for you! I think the biggest risk her, imo, is giving this to young children who don't have as much of a fighting chance to get through such a serious illness that raw milk can cause. This guy has a lot to say on it and he appears to be an expert on the subject: http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/search/label/Raw%20Dairy Furthermore.... Milk contains (naturally) a growth hormone. This growth hormone (again - it has this naturally to help calves grow to adult 300-400 lb cows) is the absolute strongest growth hormone that exisits. you wanna lose weight? / (lose inflammation). Then don't eat dairy. Someone said dairy is not addictive. Trying going without it for a week. It's very addictive! Dairy and gluten produce an "opiate-like" addiction, especially for those with gut problems, autism, digestive issues, and gluten intolerance (celiac disease), which by the way is scarily underdiagnosed in this country. (only less than 5% are dx) This is, by far, the lowest, and saddest number of ANY country. Our medical field?! Poppycock!!! Poppycock, I say because they don't know/ teach/ have any idea of this information. ......... RIDICULOUS. Not surprisingly, 80% of our medical universities are funded by.............. Can anybody guess???? Pharmaceutical companies!!! You wanna piss on some selfish, money-grubbing people, then look @ them! Quit getting mad at people who are just into the facts about health! You need proof that dairy and gluten are causing havoc in and amongst Americans? Just google "gluten free mom" and see how many blogs pop up. -Moms who are desperately trying to feed their children now (autism has exploded in the last decade) and who are food sensitive. They are more sensitive to the rest of us.... but we're not immune!!! Just go to any celiac site and check out the allergies listed among the forum members there. Dairy is always number one, next to gluten. Dairy molecules also immitate the shape of our own thyroid molecules and so, in cases of autoimmune disease (which gluten, I believe, is the root of most of them) - dairy also wreaks havoc because of the fact that the body tried to attack dairy molecules (they're larger and not recognized by the body) - because they come from cows... the body then creates antibodies to fight the dairy molecules. And in the case of having leaky gut syndrom (which celiacs and autistic kids do), these antibodies leak right throught the intestines, and attack the body. When dairy's eaten, the antibodies typically attack the thyroid, because the molecules of the thyroid "look just like" those of dairy. It's very hard for us to wrap our minds around the fact that the FDA is wayyyyy way way way wrong. As is the medical community. It's a difficult, if not impossible thing to question and see something as wrong or inaccurate when we've grown up with it and have been taught "this is the right way to eat" or do things. (But just look at the brainwashed kids in extremist/ terrorist communities.) they hate 'infidels' because that's how they're raised! Let's look at the facts and even see how these things effect our own bodies! We're BOMbarded by these junk food chains, friggin doritos, lays, crap bread, sugar, corn syrup, artificial colors (which by the way didn't exist when our granparents were kids). And we expect to be healthy? It sucks. I'm burdened by this and and I want people to know what I feel I know. If you're mad at my post, oh well. I actually wish I WERE wrong... But I'm afraid, on many of these accounts, at least, I am right. At the very least, research it for yourself!! Which is what I did when me and my son got sick!!! God bless, ya'll.....

  • jhixon25

    jhixon25 said 4 years ago

    I totally support local food economies. But a safe milk supply was one of the major public health advances of the 20th century. There are lots of things that are "natural" that still kill a heck of a lot of people. Raw milk for adults - sure whatever, your choice. But please be very careful with giving raw milk (except of course breastfeeding!) to children. I was raised on a ranch and even the most careful farmer occasionally has a sick cow. It's not a question on not trusting farmers, but understanding that bacteria and viruses are pernicious an always seek a way to enter our food supply.

  • thespottedbelly

    thespottedbelly said 4 years ago

    The issue is not whether you are for or against raw milk - both sides have many valid points, and different things work for different people in different situations. The issue is whether or not people have the right to buy raw milk if they want it. I don't understand how cigarettes and alcohol are legal and raw milk is not. Worried about raw milk? Post a consumer warning on the packaging, sell it only to adults, or restrict the area in which it can be sold (locally), or the number of cows on the farm. Require that the cows be pastured or organic. Whatever. I don't see why I can "choose" to eat sushi, but not raw milk. The issue is legal inconsistency; politics. Absurd. This is on Etsy because the small, local, artisanal food regulations often mirror regulations on other products... anyone remember the fight about requiring small crafters making childrens' products to get all sorts of expensive safety tests? Yes, this can happen to us too!

  • plumjuleps

    plumjuleps said 4 years ago

    i agree completely with thespottedbelly, raw milk should be allowed to be offered to the public as long there is a warning. i've spent my whole life traveling between my family's ranch in mexico and chicago, so I grew up drinking raw milk, literally straight from the cow, and never had any harming bodily reactions to it. our farm has been maintained the same way for almost 100 years, little has changed. but I can see how it could have some effects on some people. For example my sisters are not as used to it and can't properly digest it, so it makes sense that people need a warning. But give people the choice at least.

  • girliepains

    girliepains said 4 years ago

    I've heard so many good things about raw milk!

  • diymold

    diymold said 4 years ago

    it looks delicious, love them

  • rubydash

    rubydash said 4 years ago

    I love raw milk! I have been a member of a raw-milk co-op in TN since July, and I now enjoy an occasional glass of milk, along with making my own mozzarella!

  • PaisleyMagic

    PaisleyMagic said 4 years ago

    I grew up in India where raw milk is still a common practice. Being an agrarian economy we had cows, goats and buffalos everywhere (yes, its true even on roads :)). We had fresh milk delivered by our milkman at 5:30 every morning who milked his own cows at the break of dawn. We had to boil the milk before use. It leaves a beautiful thick layer of cream (called "malai") once it cools down. Its delicious!!! But you must boil the milk before you have it to make it safe for yourself and your family. You do not lose out on taste!!! BTW: Its not a village I am talking about, this is still a common practice it most cities!

  • AllCountryPretties

    AllCountryPretties said 4 years ago

    I lived on a Jersey cow dairy for 16 years and I vividly remember the smell of that warm cow's milk and it turns my stomach. Not to mention the fat in it. It will clog your arteries! No one in that family drank raw milk. They cooked with it only. I want cold clear skim milk! Did you know Abraham Lincoln's mother died from Milk Sickness. Comes from cows eating the White Snake root.

  • 4myarrows

    4myarrows said 4 years ago

    I'll have to admit that I didn't read every single comment, but for what I can tell I have something to chew on that no one else has mentioned. Most people are aware of the added hormones and antibiotics in store bought milk. What may be new to most is the fact that the added Vitamin D is not what you think it is. The only form of natural Vitamin D is found in animals and humans. It is produced by exposure to the sun. The Vitamin D3 that has been concocted and put into pasteurized milk ( among countless other foods) is really called cholecalciferol. It is the first ingredient in rat poison. The big dog food scare a few years back, about the rat poison? All they did was put too much D3 in it. It's always in there....dog food, cat food, bird food, milk, yogurt, cereal, etc. So a little poison is okay? Hmmm. I'll leave you to your own research on that one. I'll just say that all you need to do is spend a little time out in the sun everyday in order for your body to make plenty of Vitamin D. Aside from it being poison, it is made from any one of 3 animals: sheep, cows, or pigs. And once the process is finished you can't tell which one it came from. My family only eats Kosher....that means no piggies. So this is also a spiritual matter for us. As for the raw milk. The alternative (pasteurized) is out of the question.

  • janewearjewelry

    janewearjewelry said 4 years ago

    I feel the more local I can get my food, the better. It helps support my local farmers and helps my community bond even closer! I don't enjoy $5 a gallon milk. I'd much rather less regulation and more freedom to choose!

  • conservationist

    conservationist said 4 years ago

    It is stunning to see the opinion that this "political" conversation does not belong on ETSY. Is this not a site for people who make, purchase, sell, and discuss original, hand-crafted items? What if we all had to standardize our scarves or hand-knit socks? Standardization, or the shunning of standardization, is (unfortunately) political, because those who favor it tend to want it to be compulsory, not just one choice. You cannot make buttermilk or cottage cheese or creme fraiche or a number of cheeses from pasteurized milk. Farm-fresh milk from clean, well-tended animals is delicious and nutritious. If somebody doesn't care about those things, that's fine with me. I will not try to dissuade anybody of that opinion-it is none of my concern. I wish to be free from their interference, nothing more. So let the FDA go ahead and pronounce its advisory opinion. I know where to find the FDA web site. I also love hand-knit socks and home-made soap. I come to ETSY as the antidote to standardization. Standardization is very nice for nuts and bolts and screws and socket wrenches, electrical outlets, that sort of thing. Oh yeah, and the last 10 generations of my family managed to raise their families on farm fresh milk despite its well-publicized hazards. Free people need to be able to make meaningful choices, and that is certainly a political opinion. The local foods movement and ETSY are natural allies. It only needs to be a "movement" because of those who oppose it. I wish they would just go away and mind their own business, but if they will not, then they are in for a fight.

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