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An Interview With Frances Moore Lappé

Jul 23, 2013

by Karen Brown

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Frances (Frankie) Moore Lappé is the author or co-author of 18 books including the three-million copy best-seller Diet for a Small Planet. She has received 18 honorary doctorates, and is the co-founder of three organizations, including the Small Planet Institute. Her most recent work is EcoMind: Changing the Way We Think to Create the World We Want. Jane Goodall has said, “EcoMind will open your eyes and change your thinking. I want everyone to read it.” Frankie and I talked following the Center for Ecoliteracy’s June seminar, “Becoming Ecoliterate”. 

Karen: You put forth several ideas in EcoMind that some people might find provocative, including that we can be mislead by focusing on Earth’s limits. What do you mean by that?

Frankie: How we frame the world — how we talk about it and define it — affects how we see things and how we live. When we say we have “hit the limits,” we are saying that nature is the problem, when in fact the limits we have hit are the limits of destruction and waste, not nature. If we start with “limits” and a premise of scarcity and fear, it makes us fearful of each other, and that makes us vulnerable to anti-democratic systems. Nature has an incredible capacity for regeneration and growth, but we can’t experience it if we stay fearful and focused on lack.

Karen: But shouldn’t we be cutting back? When I visited Etsy, I saw that they are so careful they even weigh their garbage to track their consumption. And a lot of the artisans on the site are very conservative with resources — they recycle, upcycle, and reuse, making the most of everything they have. Isn’t that the right thing to do?

Frankie: Yes! The spirit that I am advocating is reframing how we view the world, and shifting from the negativity of lack and “not enough” to the positive frame of aligning with Nature. We do the things you mentioned because they are in alignment with how Nature maintains balance. What has dawned on me is that focusing on the “finite planet” frame sends a message that we have gone as far as Nature can take us and therefore we need to give power to forces outside Nature. We hear, “Oh, we need to patent GMOs and develop new strains and new chemicals because Nature can’t provide what we need.” I have to debate people all the time who say that Nature can’t provide enough. Nature is with us if we can learn how to align with it and not break the basic laws that generate life.

Karen: You don’t seem to think that technology is going to be the answer to our problems. Instead, you say to focus on relationships. Why?

Frankie: Relationships are the core message of ecology. Science is showing us that we are even more connected to each other than we ever realized. That’s why when you told me about Etsy — and I got teary about it — I could see that Etsy is about a realignment of relationships that is more personal and equitable for the people who are part of it.

The people who started Etsy were obviously not feeling powerless. They had no idea whether it would succeed, but that spirit of being a risk-taker is also the spirit of believing in the power of relationships. What was daring — and dangerous — is that they said, “We’re going to break from traditional consumer culture.” Etsy isn’t about getting the right status symbol or the object that everyone agrees is the most costly or impressive. It’s about a way of being and valuing beauty, beauty that ordinary people can create, not just the beauty in a diamond or a piece of gold. I think that luxury has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with beauty. Beauty exists irrespective of financial circumstances. On Etsy, beauty is created by fellow human beings, and enhanced because they are in relationship with each other.

Karen: So how do you maintain a worldview that runs counter to so many other messages in the culture, even counter to some of the messages in the environmental movement?

Frankie: I developed a free EcoMind workshop you can do with a group of friends. It can be hard to stay grounded because there is little reinforcement for the EcoMind view in the world. In 1969, I had the realization that hunger is not caused by scarcity of food, it is caused by the production system and an absence of democracy throughout the world. The answer came to me through many decades that we all see through culturally-formed filters. These filters decide what we can observe and influence what actions we take. So my hope is that this workshop can help to retrain some of our thought patterns and open our imaginations and sense of connectedness to each other and Nature.

Karen: Diet for a Small Planet was the first book about food I ever bought. Have any of your views about food changed since writing it in 1971?

Frankie: No. But what is different and exciting is how much we have learned. We learned we were right that we don’t need the chemical model of agriculture. We know so much more about the life of soil now and we understand how plants synergistically work together with microbes and animals to create healthy conditions. Approaches to growing food that align with nature also changed human relationships. Old models of farming with chemicals and credit mostly favored privileged men. With organic approaches, women — who have been gardeners for millennia and mothers forever — can rise because of their intimate knowledge of nature. Women can succeed in villages all over the world today without relying on heavy machinery or debt. They can take leadership roles in agriculture, eliminating hunger and inequity. When I wrote Diet I couldn’t have imagined this wealth of new knowledge and how human relationships are changed by relating to the Earth in a new way.

Karen: So it all comes back to relationships?

Frankie: Yes. What we need to get right is not focusing on the fear associated with quantity — not enough, scarcity, and lack — and moving instead to a worldview that explores quality and connectedness. That’s the spirit of the EcoMind.

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  • SheilaZee

    Sheila and Laura Zeitner from WhimZeeGirls said 4 years ago Featured

    "Relationships are the core message of ecology. Science is showing us that we are even more connected to each other than we ever realized. That’s why when you told me about Etsy — and I got teary about it — I could see that Etsy is about a realignment of relationships that is more personal and equitable for the people who are part of it." This is so true. I am learning that there is so much more to selling on Etsy than good photos and SEO. If I only concentrate on myself and my shop, nobody is going to concentrate on me. However, if I support other members of the community, they will support me too. There's no easy trick to success here. The key is investing yourself in other people's lives and seeing their value. It sounds cheesy, but I believe it's true.

109 comments

  • MegansMenagerie

    Megan from MegansMenagerie said 4 years ago

    Such a wonderful interview! Thanks for sharing with us!

  • admspeicher

    Adam Speicher from SpeicherBowTieCo said 4 years ago

    Awesome

  • valeriephoto

    Valerie from valeriestitchery said 4 years ago

    Frankie is right. It's all about relationships, and the Earth gives you all kinds of gifts. Recently, I started mushroom hunting. Most of the people I talk to are amazed at the idea of gathering wild food and not accidentally poisoning yourself! In the same day I collected a couple of pounds of chantarelles and a quart of wild blueberries. This is what people used to do all the time, even just a couple of decades ago! It's sad and shocking how far removed we've gotten from understanding the origin of our food. I applaud Etsy for this article, and for reminding us that our relationship with nature, and each other, can lead to better things.

  • TreadleLady

    Donna Kohler from TreadleLady said 4 years ago

    Very interesting article. Thank you.

  • ParisCabinet

    JD Kohler from ParisCabinet said 4 years ago

    So much we can do if we think about it. Thanks for the thought provoking article.

  • mcfarlanedianne

    Dianne McFarlane from mcfarlanemetal said 4 years ago

    Yes, yes, yes, thank you for this, so clear and confirming. Working with what we have and seeing that it's a whole lot. Yeah!

  • jessgreenleaf

    Jess Greenleaf from GREENLEAFblueberry said 4 years ago

    Off topic-ish, but I really love the photo of her!

  • NicolasKnitKnacks

    Nicola and Jessica Belton from CelticKnittingCo said 4 years ago

    Such a great article and amazing work. Earth is key to everything and gifts from it are amazing! Congrats on such a great interview!

  • gaiaconceptions

    Andrea from gaiaconceptions said 4 years ago

    Thank you Thank you, Thank you...truly love this positive approach !!! Just like Alice Walker says "We are the one we have been waiting for" ...lets do it :)

  • gooseberrystudio

    Suzi Tarman from gooseberrystudio said 4 years ago

    Thank you Frankie (!) and Karen for the interview. Diet For a Small Planet was revolutionary in the way we thought about our choices in caring for our planet and ourselves...loved it!

  • richdon1

    Rich and Dona from TheCottageMouse said 4 years ago

    What is shocking to me is how people are just blind to nature. I grew up in a Brooklyn apartment and yet my mom grew tomatoes in a box on the window, blackberries hung outside the building on vines, spices were picked from pots daily to season our pots. Why is it that someone has to teach us about an environment we live and grow in. An environment that sustains us all. Everyone, open your eyes, nature has an abundance to give to every living creature and all it asks in return is to be nurtured.

  • SassySisterVintage

    Kim Strozewski from SassySisterVintage said 4 years ago

    My parent's live on 40 acres about 30 miles outside Tallahassee, FL. They had a friend of their's come out recently who is a Botanist/Professor at FSU to tell them how their plants could be used. Such as what is poisonous and what isn't and how the plants could be used/consumed. He told them of many uses for their plants they were not aware of. Some plants that could be eaten, especially the berries on them that they were not aware of. The property they live on is very "raw" and was undeveloped until they got there. They have bees and a stocked fish pond too. They have a great "relationship" with their surroundings and I do believe they could live there forever without ever going to a store again.

  • FluffyFlowers

    FluffyFlowers from FluffyFlowers said 4 years ago

    Frankie rocks! :)

  • accentonvintage

    accentonvintage from accentonvintage said 4 years ago

    Great story! I' m a great believer in recycling and a having a natural environment.

  • FireIslandSoap

    Billy Bubbles from FireIslandSoap said 4 years ago

    Green <3

  • GeorgieGirlLLC

    D George from GeorgieGirlLLC said 4 years ago

    Dido on what Andrea from gaiaconceptions says! Also, agree with Jess Greenleaf from GREENLEAFblueberry on her photo! Thanks for sharing, we need this!

  • SheilaZee

    Sheila and Laura Zeitner from WhimZeeGirls said 4 years ago Featured

    "Relationships are the core message of ecology. Science is showing us that we are even more connected to each other than we ever realized. That’s why when you told me about Etsy — and I got teary about it — I could see that Etsy is about a realignment of relationships that is more personal and equitable for the people who are part of it." This is so true. I am learning that there is so much more to selling on Etsy than good photos and SEO. If I only concentrate on myself and my shop, nobody is going to concentrate on me. However, if I support other members of the community, they will support me too. There's no easy trick to success here. The key is investing yourself in other people's lives and seeing their value. It sounds cheesy, but I believe it's true.

  • PennyBirchWilliams

    Penny Birch-Williams from PennyBirchWilliams said 4 years ago

    Love this interview and I will look for Frankie's book Ecomind. I'm sure she has so much more to teach us. I admire her pioneer thinking and her willingness to take on the established, conventional ways we are currently living that are so detrimental to nature. We too often see ourselves as separate from and even above nature, because we can manipulate so much of it and in some ways bend it to our will. But we are inextricable from nature and from the Earth that sustains us all. I am very glad that Frankie has hope for us! I hope her wisdom leads to actions and changes that will bring changes for the better (very soon!)

  • auntjanecan

    Jane Priser from JanePriserArts said 4 years ago

    This is a wonderful and very interesting interview to read. I enjoyed it very much. I think her message is very very important. These issues are very important to me.

  • annawhitehorne1

    Anna from BlueHyacinthVintage said 4 years ago

    I like the idea that we will always have enough as long as we nurture mother earth. I read Diet for a Small planet just recently and loved it. Brilliant woman and so brave...I wish I had read it back in the days it was first written.

  • piccadillypastimes

    Ginger and Tim from PiccadillyPastimes said 4 years ago

    Great interview - really enjoyed the article. Thank you!

  • DeathByVintage

    Jypyse from DeathByVintage said 4 years ago

    excellent interview. thank you so much for posting.

  • Deconfetti

    Nata from dekkoline said 4 years ago

    Very interesting interview. Thank you for sharing.

  • ebkriley

    EBK Riley from DeeAndFee said 4 years ago

    An emphasis on relationships reminds us not to think only of ourselves, which always makes the world a better place. Thanks for this thoughtful interview!

  • InMaterial

    Peggy McCallum from InMaterial said 4 years ago

    I'm going to order EcoMind from the library today. I remember reading Diet for a Small Planet in 1978 for a college speech class. It opened my mind to a new way of thinking about how we live our lives here in the U.S. and resulted in making changes in my lifestyle. Thank you for posting this interview.

  • blainedesign

    Karen Brown from blainedesign said 4 years ago

    I am a reader of Frances Moore Lappe from the very beginning. It was such a pleasure to talk to her and feel the health and positive energy she exudes. Her positive outlook extends to the details of her everyday life, as well. For example, Frankie told me that although she does not have a lot of clothes, she does need "new" things from time to time because she does so much public speaking. The bulk of her wardrobe is from vintage and consignment shops. She calls the satisfaction she gets from dressing this way "instant re-gratification."

  • BlackStar

    Katie McClanahan from WearYourWild said 4 years ago

    What an honor to have Frankie here! Thanks for the interview. I still have my copy of Diet that I purchased many years ago.

  • sherrytruitt

    sherry truitt from sherrytruitt said 4 years ago

    I also have a dog eared copy of Frankie's "Diet" book that I purchased many years ago. The message is really simple and if everyone just employed a bit of it, the planet would be in amazing shape.

  • peacesofindigo

    Dawanna Young from peacesofindigo said 4 years ago

    Diet for a Small Planet is a life changing read. What a wonderful surprise to find such a beautiful interview on Etsy today! Thanks, Karen~ :)

  • GracefullyGirly

    Kimberlee from GracefullyGirly said 4 years ago

    I love your message(s). Thanks for sharing!!! It has encouraged me to look into more of your work. I remember reading Diet for a Small Planet many years ago and I'm looking forward to learning more about your eco-mind workshop. Your message about the importance of relationships seems to be so key. Thanks for sharing here!

  • Agasart

    Aga from AgasJourney said 4 years ago

    Beautiful, wise and inspiring thoughts. Thank you so much for sharing

  • BambuEarth

    Amber from BambuEarth said 4 years ago

    Wonderful interview and inspiring content. Thanks for sharing! ♥♥♥

  • vdownham

    vdownham from Eclectasism said 4 years ago

    Time to go and re-read Diet for a Small Planet! Thank you for such a delightful interview to read.

  • cosmiksouls

    joan kelly from cosmiksouls said 4 years ago

    Inspired !!! Thanks for the share :)

  • debvasbinder

    Deb Vasbinder from BabyCuteBaby said 4 years ago

    Great Article -I enjoyed reading - Insightful ! Thank You for Sharing

  • H88255

    H88255 from HillarysSuperfoods said 4 years ago

    Such a wonderful post. More people need to be aware of health in general. Health for humans, health for animals, health for the planet, health for the world!!

  • RenataandJonathan

    Renata and Jonathan from RenataandJonathan said 4 years ago

    Great interview ! Thank you.

  • kderuchie

    Karen from ThePrintAnnex said 4 years ago

    What an inspiration! Wonderful interview!

  • BozenaWojtaszek

    Bozena Wojtaszek from BozenaWojtaszek said 4 years ago

    Wise woman, there's never enough of listening to right minded people - thanks!

  • richiedesign

    Richele Silva from richiedesign said 4 years ago

    Thank you for featuring my mindful eating card with your wonderful interview!

  • showbelles

    Rhonda Griffin from Showbelles said 4 years ago

    Truth adds more freedom, enrichment, and wisdom to our lives. Thank you etsy, for this article, and the many more articles of enlightenment that you continue to share with us. Thank you.

  • erikareboucas

    Erika Reboucas from littlebigtopstudio said 4 years ago

    What a wonderful interview. It is always nice to be reminded of how we are all connected.

  • gk2829

    Bybee Vintage from BYBEEVINTAGE said 4 years ago

    Diet for a Small Planet was the first "cookbook" I ever brought in 1978. It changed my life.

  • recycledwares

    Nerrissa W from RecycledWares said 4 years ago

    Frances, what a great interview - thanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas.

  • desireeling3

    Desiree Ling from MamasLittleMarket said 4 years ago

    lovely and powerful all in one. thank you.

  • kgpaintings

    Kirsten Gilmore from PaintingsByKEGilmore said 4 years ago

    Miles of Light's photo featured here is simply lovely. :)

  • spalenka

    Greg Spalenka from spalenka said 4 years ago

    The ecology of our thinking informs the actions of our life. One thought at a time! Bravo!

  • MASHUGANA

    Julia from MASHUGANA said 4 years ago

    I got the chills reading this article. I totally agree. I grow almost all of my veggies on a very small plot of land and in pots. My garden makes up for about 1/2 of my diet at the beginning of the season and 3/4 my diet when everything is ripe. My overall favorite thing to do is to share my garden with friends, family and neighbors. You may think that people don't care much about gardens or "fruit from the earth", but when you hand them a fist sized tomato with just picked basil, their eyes light up and their tone changes. It's as if you gave them the best birthday present ever and shared with them a piece of your heart. I have yet to read EcoMind, however it is on my immediate things to do. Although in my 30's, my soul lives in the past and I agree that human connection is the greatest alignment with understanding and progressing with human consumption at the same pace of nature. Thank you Karen for sharing this amazing human! Cheers Frankie!

  • SavonsFrais

    Susann Weinberg from SavonsFrais said 4 years ago

    Wonderful seeing her and knowing that her book, "Diet For a Small Planet" is still relevant to this generation. I remember when the book came out and also the companion book, "Recipes for a Small Planet". Back then it made much sense to me and, as I see, still does to others now.

  • breadandroses2

    breadandroses2 from breadandroses2 said 4 years ago

    Diet for a Small Planet remains the seminal reference for healthy, economical (in more ways than dollars) nourishment and made sense out the concept of 'complimentary proteins'. Agreed: positively view the end goal and work back from it to create it. Thank you!

  • sarahmoon503

    Sarah from Birchmoonrocksfibers said 4 years ago

    Right on! Go Frankie! (: The end sums everything up so clearly- focusing on our relationships, connectedness, and quality with others and nature!- what we do, say, and how we live!

  • patspottery

    Pat Parker from PatsPottery said 4 years ago

    I read Diet for a Small Planet in 1971 and it changed the way I thought about myself and our home world forever!! Thank you, thank you♥

  • Bridalize

    Xiu Li from Bridalize said 4 years ago

    Wonderful post. I'm gonna check out the books. Relationships are the key.

  • smartacorinne

    smartacorinne said 4 years ago

    Such a wonderful article! Kudos to Etsy for featuring Frankie!

  • urastarhouse

    urastarhouse from urastarhouse said 4 years ago

    Wow! I love you Frankie! Thank-you, your words are like a nice deep breath!

  • KKchildrendesigns

    Peini from KKchildrendesigns said 4 years ago

    Beautiful! Thank you :)

  • handmadebycecilia

    Cecilia Escobar from HandmadebyCecilia said 4 years ago

    I wish I could press the "like" here. I loved this insightful interview and I certainly agree completely with Sheila and Laura Zeitner from WhimZeeGirls. Thank you for this post!

  • donnieleandro

    Donnie from DonniesDiscounts said 4 years ago

    i think therefore i am

  • haruaki

    Tiffany Key from resinjewelryHARUAKI said 4 years ago

    Thank you so much for this post. I love "Frankie" and her work. It is great to see the synthesis of ecology, society, and creativity explained with such clarity. Let's keep on fighting the good fight!

  • ikabags

    IKA PARIS from ikabags said 4 years ago

    wonderful interview!

  • thoughttank

    michael bremer-trainor from THOUGHTTANK said 4 years ago

    Great interview! I'm amazed that Diet ... was written so long ago, yet still we've continued so far down the wrong track :o( Still, I'm lifted by Frances's spirit and optimism! And she looks great (as in sorted, peaceful, enlightened) I'm a wild food fan and collecting mushrooms, berries etc, in the forest, gives me a connection to nature that I can only describe as 'primeaeval'. It feels very right, very natural and rewarding.

  • innermirror

    Stephanie from SuitcaseInBerlin said 4 years ago

    Beautiful article. I have switched from vegetarian to vegan and am doing so much better, in health, raised energy levels and overall happiness. (I do still love and wearleather). I believe in choosing and buying producs with awareness. Vintage and recycled items are a good way to support a better earth. We have abundance on this planet, we dont need constant new things, that will be used only once or twice, that will be consumed with the sort of hunger that will never be satisfied, or only for a short while, because it was not nurtured at the root.

  • meropisart

    Meropi Toumbas from MeropisArtJewelry said 4 years ago

    Thanks for sharing this wonderful interview !!!

  • mirta

    mirta from ModernBotanicsShop said 4 years ago

    an amazing read. thank you so much for sharing this!

  • ldomaas

    Line Helene Domaas from EternalSnowCrystals said 4 years ago

    How Lovely written...

  • Powerofflower

    Lorena Balea-Raitz from BaleaRaitzART said 4 years ago

    Love the interview! :)

  • mylifeinviolet

    deborah jacobs from mylifeinviolet said 4 years ago

    how wonderful to read this! my mother bought this book in 1971 and it was her bible. from there on this stuff was important to me. thank you so much for contacting her! so awesome xx

  • beforethelandfill

    Karen from InspiredByBeth said 4 years ago

    Love the interview! This is why I love to do recycled art...teach people to control what we have and be more conscious of upcycling vs a recycling bin. Use it up, wear it out, make it due, or do without!

  • mattyhandmadecrafts

    Matejka Max from NattyMatty said 4 years ago

    Superb!!!!

  • pennyfeather

    Alicia Maria from pennyfeather said 4 years ago

    Thank you so much for featuring this article. The content and the views expressed by Ms Lappe are heartfelt and true. It is refreshing to see that Etsy was and still at the vanguard of under-the-radar relationship "consumerism" and at its heart, tries to focus on things that matter, not things that have a bottom dollar. I will try to read Ms. Lappe's book ASAP!!

  • Iammie

    iammie from iammie said 4 years ago

    Love this!

  • elisabethringewald

    Elisabeth Ringewald from MaineCoonCrafts said 4 years ago

    Excellent interview, great mind, great thoughts,

  • brucepark

    Bruce Park from BruceParkArts said 4 years ago

    Totally awesome!!!!!! Thank-you both for this wonderful article! I have always loved the idea that we are all connected to this web we call life!

  • paramountvintage

    kristin from blackmoonsky said 4 years ago

    this is one of the most amazing and inspiring articles i have read. thank you etsy for featuring Frankie!

  • dwhitecreations

    dwhitecreations from dwhitecreations said 4 years ago

    thank you for this!

  • StillVintage

    StillVintage from StillVintage said 4 years ago

    What a great interview. I wish we all could see that our resources are not infinite, so that we can reuse what we have on hand before cutting down another tree for a piece of paper.

  • lkmccray

    Linzee from lkmccray said 4 years ago

    This spring, when I planted a vegetable garden for the first time in decades, I thought back to the relationships between foods that I first learned about when I bought Lappe's book in 1977. I love knowing that "Diet's" wisdom has held up all these years (as have many of the recipes—Hearty Tomato Soup is still a family favorite). Thanks, Karen, for sharing this wonderful interview with Etsy readers!

  • isewcute

    June from isewcute said 4 years ago

    This is inspiring & mindful. Thank you!

  • WingedWorld

    Vickie Moore from WingedWorld said 4 years ago

    I love your positive outlook on environmental issues! I went to an environmental conference once where a presenter told us she was missing a close friend's funeral to attend the conference. It was clear that the whole audience was in for nothing but guilt and shaming on environmental issues. The presenter should have gone to her friend's funeral and left everyone else to discuss POSITIVE steps forward.

  • wolfelinda1

    Linda Wolfe from CraftsbyNinnie said 4 years ago

    I agree. My husband and I are very mindful of how we are eating and how we live. Chemicals are cancer causing agents and our world does not need them. Forks over Knives was a good place for us to start our search on how to heal from my breast cancer. I chose not to go the conventional way of treatments, because chemo and radiation are poisons and causes cancer and also mammograms presses 50 lbs of weight on the breast and shoots radiation straight into the breast over many years of getting mammograms no wonder I ended up with breast cancer, and having surgery spreads the cancer. I have thermo grams done instead of mammograms. We chose plant based life style way of living for healing and staying healed.

  • wolfelinda1

    Linda Wolfe from CraftsbyNinnie said 4 years ago

    We eat only organic.

  • tricamay4

    Patricia Haynes said 4 years ago

    Ms. Moore-Lappe statements are "facts" we need to pay attention to. Our world is weighed down with "stuff" most of which can be gladly used by someone else We owe ourselves, our children and the future to utilize, share and encourage the use of every resource physically, emotionally and mentally! Pass it on or as the saying goes "One persons junk is another persons treasures!" Etsy has brought a lot of wonderful people and beauty into my life. I am grateful to those that have brought their talent and now for the opportunity to read and learn.

  • wolfelinda1

    Linda Wolfe from CraftsbyNinnie said 4 years ago

    Be sure t check out the video Forks over Knives it will enlighten you. Very good info to live by.

  • akvjewelry

    Amy Kanka Valadarsky from AKVjewelry said 4 years ago

    'Luxury has nothing to do with money and everything to do with beauty'. While I think sometimes money is very useful in getting to certain types of luxury, I have no doubt the the real luxury has to do with experiencing precious moments, sitting with someone you love and watch the beauty of sunset, so yes, luxury is about much more about beauty and relationship than about money.

  • btaylorquilts

    Briana Taylor from btaylorquilts said 4 years ago

    What a superb and important interview and message. Thank you for sharing. I will be reading EcoMind starting today :)

  • LaurasHandmadeGifts

    Laura from LaRoHandmades said 4 years ago

    Such a great interview! I agree with what was said and try to be mindful and careful myself about how I live, what I consume, what message I send to others about eco thinking and conscious living as well as trying to make things myself, reuse and upcycle materials where I can.

  • loveartworks

    Kristin Love from LoveArtWorks said 4 years ago

    Sooooo Awesome!! "Diet for a Small Planet" changed the way I thought about food and World Hunger when I read it and now I am looking forward to reading EcoMind! Thank You SO MUCH for your Vision of a Peace-Full World where everyone understands on a subconscious level that WE are ALL together in this and there always has been and always will be Enough.

  • LittleBeanPrints

    Marie Antonelli from LittleBeanPrints said 4 years ago

    What a great interview and message. A lot of the things we think about when we make our every day choices. I'm honored to have my work accompany this message!

  • rainbowhomeshop

    Rainbow Home from RainbowHomeGoods said 4 years ago

    Hope's Edge was inspiring. Frances is one of my heroes - thank you for sharing this!

  • roxygirlart

    Roxy Murray from ATouchOfWanderlust said 4 years ago

    I love "Eco-Mind"- a great read and very inspirational.

  • HighHatCouture

    Kary J. from HighHatCouture said 4 years ago

    One classy lady:)

  • FoxyGloves23

    Marie Cashin from MEmbroideries said 4 years ago

    I remember using your cookbook - so influential - glad you are still in the thick of things that are important!

  • Motleycouture

    Motleycouture from Motleycouture said 4 years ago

    Looking forward to reading Eco-Mind. Great summer reading. Enjoyed the interview! Thank you!

  • handloomin

    Manju G from JaipurHandloom said 4 years ago

    Such a classy interview!!

  • aressa

    aressa from OriginalBridalHanger said 4 years ago

    Great interview!

  • orchardfarmsoap

    Kate Jaeckel from orchardfarmsoap said 4 years ago

    Diet for a small planet changed my life when I read it at 18. Thank you for continuing your good work!

  • PlanetQueenVintage

    Mariah Pastell from PlanetQueenVintage said 4 years ago

    This is a wonderful article. I have a degree in Sustainability and I have written so much about the failure in the language of sustainability - words like "reduce, avoid, less bad" are barriers for so many people to the true potential of systems working with Nature. Even the word "waste" - it doesn't exist in many cultures and languages. There isn't a word for that concept in so many other languages. or "Shit". There is no equivalent in most other cultures because humanure is in no way associated with anything bad, it is fertilizer. I hope this article gets people thinking!

  • alangood

    alangood said 4 years ago

    Thought provoking perspective. Thanks again, Karen.

  • blainedesign

    Karen Brown from blainedesign said 4 years ago

    We sometimes think of the big physical tasks in life as being the most difficult. For example, if we had to move a pile of concrete, that would seem hard –– although probably a few of us working together could do it fairly quickly. Changing the way we think may be the most difficult thing of all, even though thoughts don't have any weight or substance. Frankie's perspective reminds me that how I frame something can affect how I see everything else. I also like the way she does not say something is "right" or "wrong" but instead looks to see how it is "aligned" with a collection of values. I like the word "alignment" and I find myself thinking about it a lot now when I need to evaluate something.

  • allstarorganics

    allstarorganics from allstarorganics said 4 years ago

    I read Diet for a Small Planet years ago and it really influenced what I do and how I live. I've been a vegetarian for about 42 years and that's a lot because of the support I got from that book at that time. It didn't so much convince me to stop eating from the tip top of the food chain, but it made it much likelier that I would persist over time. It helped me to avoid being "holier than thou" or "better than" someone else because I did. It was a simple point of view, backed up by some equally plain facts, that was easy to adopt and live with. It made sense, and it was part of a pattern that connected my values with my actions. It made changing the world so personal and achievable, one bite at a time. One point Frankie makes is that some very real problems can be cleared up by changing the way we think about things...that our changed thinking will guide changed actions. I agree that's true. However, I find that changing entrenched thinking is really a lot harder than you'd think sometimes. Grooved in ideas can be as hard as cement. In fact, it can be easier to demolish a whole block of houses than to rethink family, community, and dwelling, and reinvigorate neighborhoods. Thank you Karen for bringing this icon of ecological thinking and sustainability to our Etsy community. Truly enjoyed being back in touch and up to date with her again.

  • metroretrovintage

    metroretrovintage from metroretrovintage said 4 years ago

    Ms. Lapp has long been an inspiration to all of us! Thank you for this interview.

  • barkingdogpress

    barkingdogpress from barkingdogpress said 4 years ago

    great interview, thanks

  • NirvanaRoad

    Lisa from NirvanaRoad said 4 years ago

    I am saving this interview to read again and again! Thank you!

  • emberair

    emberair from EmberandAir said 4 years ago

    Wonderful interview!

  • mygoddess

    indre from HelloMyGoddess said 4 years ago

    I have a very worn out copy of Diet for a Small Planet which I bought in the '70's and have re-read countless times. What a delight to see the author here LIVE at etsy. What's great is the new generation born in the '80's & '90's (who may be unfamiliar with her) will now be able to fall in love with her ideas and follow them, thanks to EcoMind. Can't wait to get my copy, too ;) THREE CHEERS for FRANCIS MOORE LAPPÉ!!!

  • andiespecialtysweets

    Jason and Andie from andiespecialtysweets said 4 years ago

    Thank you, Karen and Francis for this excellent, motivating interview!

  • tomsgrossmami

    Tom's Grossmami from tomsgrossmami said 4 years ago

    Awesome! Thank you.

  • bhangtiez

    Jana from bhangtiez said 4 years ago

    Great interview! Love your eco-outlook.....thank you!

  • korenkwan

    Koren Kwan from GarasuWonderland said 3 years ago

    inspiring interview!

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